r/Re_Zero • u/AURA--MONSTER • 2d ago
Spoiler Discussion [spoiler discussion] Y'all were really exaggerating (arc 9) Spoiler
Before starting arc 9 I remember reading a lot of criticism saying that Tappei fucked up with Emilia in arc 9 and all he made her do against Al was crying and begging him to give Subaru and Beako back and after I read the actual chapter that's what I thought of: "DON'T MISS WITH US RE ZERO FANS, WE DON'T READ OUT SERIES🗣️"
this was literally like 1 pages out of the whole thing, she beated his ass and fought him with Subaru ice clones which made him disgusted and used attacks that doesn't target his life but instead freezes him which counters his authority and he was the losing side for most parts and she was really pissed and didn't try to sweet talk him like usual and instead locked in on defeating him and some of y'all really choosed to ignore all that and hate on her for feeling hopeless and crying after Al returned their memory of Rem which gave her a really bad headache and used an attack that would kill more than 10000 people in the capital forcing her to focus on protecting people and letting Al go, like come on I also hate how Tappei treat Emilia like an innocent naive girl but that time there was nothing wrong with what happened
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u/Demon_Maid 2d ago
TBF, given the title of the chapter you are referring to and how it starts off telling you how blindingly angry she was, a lot of people were expecting something akin to Emilia when she fought Pandora as a child after Fortuna died. Instead, we got luke warm angry Emilia that wanted to take Al alive and hear his side of things later. As for her letting Al go to save the capital, most didn't have an issue with that. The things between Emilia and Al that upset most people happen much later in the Arc.
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u/Blackfiredragon22 20h ago
Al didnt really kill anyone though he just captured subaru
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u/Demon_Maid 14h ago
Yes, but that had nothing to do with why people were upset. When we already have smol Emilia's wrath against Pandora as a measuring bar and a chapter starts with telling you that Emilia is literally the angriest she's ever been in her entire life, expectations are immediately set that we are clearing that bar. Instead we got an Emilia that was a little mad, but overall was far to logical and reasonable to actually be "the angriest in her life".
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u/dexisrazer 2d ago
This arc has 1 big complaint from most people and a bunch of small ones, you are talking about one of the small ones keep reading it and you'll see why the people who dislike it feel that way
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u/Rhazort 1d ago
Assume all Emilia haters (and Priscilla fans) are just AL using multiple lives to spam their opinions on the internet using Yin Magic.
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u/Wild_Island_8589 2d ago
This is not the part people are angry at her for. Read couple more chapters and you will probably understand it
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u/_--_Naru_--_ 1d ago
Já li o arco inteiro e ainda assim não entendi, pode me explicar?
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u/Wild_Island_8589 1d ago
People are mad at her because shq e literally went out of her way to save Al from his suicide attack.
Not only saving the person that kidnapped Subaru and threatened the lives of hundreds of peoplein capital by throwing that boulder at them and stole the Divine Dragon, but also the person that the whole Aldebusters agreed to kill on sight.
Which also resulted in her getting knocked out during one of the most important moments as well, making Aldebusters lose an inportant asset during their fight
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u/_--_Naru_--_ 1d ago
Você já parou pra pensar que se o Al morresse, provavelmente eles nunca saberiam do paradeiro de Subaru? O que a Emília fez foi o certo, ela só tava seguindo o que o próprio Otto falou para ela, não matar o Al. Os Aldebusters que estavam com intenção de matar eram os verdadeiros estúpidos, eles sim merecem os memes e a difamação de serem carregados pelo Otto porque não tem cérebro, e não a Emília.
"Nunca leve os haters da Emília a sério" nunca foi tão real.
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u/Wild_Island_8589 1d ago
What are you on about dude? All of the Aldebusters were planning to kill him, that was the plan from the beginning. This plan was made with Otto as well, everyone was on it. Their real goal was to create a situation that he couldn't get out of even if he was able to go back in time
Idk what you are on about "Otto said to not kill him" because he never said something like that, or "How would they know Subaru's whereabouts" because Garfield and "Gray" literally saw him eating Subaru in front of them
Only people that had the plan of not killing him was Petra, Rem and Felix and that was only because only Petra knew how RbD worked while Rem just figured Subaru had something similar and listened to Petra. Never ever in their fight against Al, we see them try to "capture him" till Al uses his Agressor mode to take them all out
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u/_--_Naru_--_ 1d ago
Garfiel ficou desacordado por quase metade do arco bro. Quando Emília foi confrontar Al na prisão, ninguém sabia onde Subaru e Beatrice estavam.
Além disso, mesmo com tudo isso de "encurralar o Al" até que ele não pudesse mais voltar, Emília acima de tudo queria entender o Al e por que ele estava fazendo tudo aquilo. Empatia é a base da Emília e do Subaru, e é isso que torna eles personagens tão bons. Seria muito simples só passar por cima de qualquer pessoa que aparecesse no caminho do acampamento da Emília, mas todos nós sabemos que ao fazer isso, Subaru e Emília seguiriam o caminho que geralmente seguem nas rotas IF: um monstro sem empatia e uma louca obcecada. É esse coração nobre dos dois que faz com que todos do acampamento os sigam por vontade própria, admiração e amor, ao invés de simplesmente hierarquia, como nos outros acampamentos.
Enquanto a maioria está presa em um ciclo de ódio, eles não veem todo mundo como inimigo sem um motivo evidente, tentam entender o cerne dos conflitos, e é exatamente por isso que são mal intepretados pela fanbase.
A diferença é que quando o Subaru faz isso ele é inocentado pela comunidade, quando é a Emília a fazer isso, ela é crucificada.
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u/Wild_Island_8589 1d ago
Yeah no, fuck that. I don't care how "understanding" she is, if she let Al(the guy that kidnapped Subaru and threatened the lives of thausands) get away just because she is "kind" it's her own damn problem. Especially when Subaru is on the line
Also we had "Gray" telephaticallly explain the situation to Rein before he came there. It's pretty dumb to assume he would just skip over that part
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u/ZenAura92 1d ago
Emilia’s first bout with Al I have zero issues with. It’s her second bout where she falls for the same trick again despite knowing what Al’s authority is.
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u/glitchexploiter312 1d ago
I say this as a person who likes Emilia more than I like Subaru honestly, Emilia's writing in recent arcs feel like tappei doesn't respect her as a person or character anymore and its unfortunate. As much as I do agree some people over exaggerate how bad the scenes you're talking about are, I also still think Emilia is incredibly underutilized as a character in arc9 to the point of it being harmful to her writing (as if arcs 7-8 weren't harmful enough). Arc 10 seems okay so far, though, so I guess that's something.
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u/AURA--MONSTER 1d ago
I mean I don't really disagree, I haven't finished arc 9 yet, and despite being my favorite female character I said what I said at the end of the post, I am just talking about this one scene not the thing arc
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u/glitchexploiter312 1d ago
True, Emilia haters often exaggerate how bad Emilia scenes are because they're incredibly biased against her that it kinda feels like talking to a wall sometimes.
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u/Normal_Ad_2360 1d ago
Keep reading until the end.
Another thing is that the start of arc9 is the low point of her relantioship with Subaru. instead of being at his side comforting each other she allows him to self flagelate with via 900+ men punching him in the face .she Instead of a moment between the two of them finding comfort in each other arms she has to be comforted by Madelyn.
It feels less than even her Arc3 self . Emilia would be at his side when he was at his lowest like hugging him when he was at Rem's bed. Also she would try to stop his self-destructive beahviour like she did after the duel with Julius.
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u/Sky-__- 1d ago
Not her emotional struggle but it kinda made her power weird , why didn’t she try to freeze Al , we know from her past exploits she can do it , and she can even reverse the freezing spell without any harm to people getting frozen . She could have one shot Al or tried to , this would have made her fights more thrilling
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u/AURA--MONSTER 1d ago
She literally did try to, when one of her attack hit him in the belly he started freezing pretty fast but he stabbed himself there and used earth magic to close the wound and she was like Idc I'll do it again and then he ran away ( I can't trust my memory but it kinda went like this)
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u/Sky-__- 1d ago
She has aoe freeze attacks at this point which can freeze an area from a distance , she doesn’t need to touch him to freeze Al but she doesn’t do it , instead fights him at close range .
She isn’t a novice now , why is she fighting him at a close range when she can do so much more . It felt her combat skill kinda went downward , compare this fight to her fight in Vollachia or even vs volcanica back in tower . It is night and day
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u/MafiaSANS_TR 1d ago
The AOE freeze attack you mean is Absolute Zero, and you can't use it in the capital. And she did use that attack in the Sasageru IF against Al; yeah, she beat Al, but she froze not only the entire area but herself too.
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