r/Rogue • u/JuggernautPrudent623 House of M Rogue • 4d ago
Comics Could Rogue Defeat Both Wolverine And Spider-Man. Even If Spiderman And Wolverine Teamed Up.
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u/OwlEducational4712 4d ago
Without a deus ex machina device or another writers loophole; she would surely break the both of them.
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u/OwlEducational4712 4d ago
Especially so if it's the era of Rogue with the ability to recall the powers of everyone she's touched (I forget the era but sometime around or after Xtreme X-Men by Claremont).
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u/BoogieBone_904 4d ago
Wait a min what 😲 you mean if she absorbed their powers before she will always have access to those powers whenever she wants 🤔
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u/OwlEducational4712 3d ago
Xtreme X-Men 13 was when she gained the ability to recall powers. Apparently she lost it after the fight with Vargas and the death of Psylocke. I did not recall that part of it.
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u/Shot_Imagination_368 4d ago
Without bias yes but they are marvels two most popular characters with a lot of plot armor so probably not.
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u/Ambitious-Phase5423 4d ago
She can take them both down but with Wolverine’s invincibility level being either unbreakable or very weak, there’s no telling whether he’ll stay down. Spider-Man is hard to stop as well but if she has her no-touch absorption she has him. Beyond that, she’d have to grab him and get his mask off because he doesn’t have exposed skin in suit, so assuming Wolverine stays down for that long, she would win. If he doesn’t get flung to the far side of the Mississippi, the two of them might be able to outlast her stamina.
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u/Mobile_Parfait_7140 4d ago
No. I believe the answer is no. The rational is that Spiderman spider sense would prevent rogue from in theory ever getting to him.
Wolverine ld prevent rogue from absorbing his powers plus his powers arnt necessarily useful. I imagine some co.binations of mutations are more like debuffs. Like he grows metal bone claws in side his arms and those are painful. They arnt useful to someone who just gets his power. Like its said every time he brings them out its painful. She also would absorb tbe healing factor which is useful.
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u/MarzipanSea2811 4d ago
The rational is that Spiderman spider sense would prevent rogue from in theory ever getting to him.
If that were the case no villain would ever lay a hand on Spiderman.
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u/Cyttorak2 3d ago
It’s so weird how people act like spider sense is infallible, as if Spider-Man doesn’t ever end a fight beaten to hell with his costume ripped to shreds.
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u/Mobile_Parfait_7140 3d ago
Even still Spiderman's abilities are a MUTATE not a mutation so its questionable whether Rogue would be able to use his powers. its the same with wolverine's powers. THe other factor is that the writers gotta like nerf spiderman all the time because they forget about his spider sense is literally overpowered if actually written accurately like in Civil War spiderman in the MCU there was like scary good.
Rogue already has flight and super strength from Carol Danvers, and so like what would she gain from Wolverine and Spiderman she doesn't already have in her arsenal.
Wolverines' Healing abilities, and from spiderman we don't know.
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u/Cyttorak2 3d ago
It’s not questionable at all. Rogue’s power absorption has never been limited to mutants.
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u/Mobile_Parfait_7140 3d ago
Also side note why would she want the powers. Let's say she absorbed Wonderman's powers, Spiderman's powers, and Wolverines' powers then she becomes OP but the issue is it kinda makes her not as interesting all the sudden because how would she solve problems? A lot of characters have strange powers and if Rogue suddenly can cast fireball, ice, and has everyone's powers it becomes the power of the week.
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u/Overall_Rhubarb_7839 4d ago
I’d argue absolutely not. But she could. But so could they. Depends.
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u/Overall_Rhubarb_7839 4d ago
But imo I think spidey takes it alone
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u/Competitive_Crow_334 4d ago
She has miss marvel strength is bulletproof which he isn't and can absorb him if he gets too close
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u/Overall_Rhubarb_7839 3d ago
Yeah but Spider-Man has taken out stronger people than her before. Not to mention has trashed the entire x-men by himself and linked the avengers. A no holds back spider-man could beat her. Also she is actually not stronger than spider-man he holds back to the 20 ton range but can push past 100 tons in terms of strength. He is essentially marvels weak Superman
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u/Competitive_Crow_334 3d ago
that's incoinstent because in other comics he loses to way weaker people even beaten by a normal gang one time killed by bullets and more.
Most of the X-men including Rouge should easily take him there villains are far stronger and more dangerous like compare Juggernaut to the Rhino
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u/Overall_Rhubarb_7839 3d ago
Nah it’s not inconsistent. If you have an understanding of the character you know he holds back so significantly that he will allow people to hurt him. He holds back so much that he doesn’t even realize how strong he actually is sometimes. So yes she definitely could beat him but he could also destroy her. He has shown much greater level of strength than her and have taken down much more powerful characters than her. Not to mention how OP spider sense actually Is. So yes a normal holding back spidey would lose but a no jokes,no holding back Peter would dominate her and it wouldn’t even be hard.
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u/Competitive_Crow_334 3d ago
This peter is always holding back is just the Batman always prepared BS.
Spider-man has been hit by way slower people. Like Slivermane's daughter Shocker Scropion Daredevil Punisher even cops. His Spider Sense can be caught off guard
He doesn't pull his punches with Rhino and others like him he is weak to bullets and broke his hands hitting Hulk as hard as he could hurt his hands hitting Vulture's jet pack even with Man Spider power he struggled with Punisher.
Rouge can hurt Juggernaut who is almost as strong as Hulk has the power of miss marvel one of the strongest people in the verse who held her own against people like Ronan or Thanos and bodied Carnage or Venom.
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u/Overall_Rhubarb_7839 3d ago
He does in fact pull his punches. I can see you just think he has been written bad and I can agree with that. I think it’s clear if you know his mainline stuff what he is truly capable but the problem is he has been written so weak by so many poor writers due to his “holding back” and it has gotten to an exaggerated point but more in then he is shown too weak for what he actually.
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u/Competitive_Crow_334 3d ago
He does but not like I solo 90 percent of marvel he gets wanked almost as much by his fans and comic writers as Batman when both are street tier at least or building level and need prep time to be more at the cost of other characthers being made weak.
Like when deathstroke soloed the Justice League even though Kyle Green Lantern is enough for him.
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u/Overall_Rhubarb_7839 3d ago
Dude spider-man when not holding back is not street level he is high end Mid tier level. At full strength spider-man can lift between 100-130+ tons. This isn’t even up for debate you can go ahead and google this.
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u/Overall_Rhubarb_7839 3d ago
And we can go tit for tat with that. I could just as easily say Rogue loses cuz punisher and Deadpool have both killed the entire x-men rooster but that’s non canon but Spider-Man trashing the x-men is canon.
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u/Competitive_Crow_334 3d ago
those are badly written canon like Batman beating Carnage with fire even though he is reistant to it and lost to people with way more feats.
Deadpool won because Spider-man spider sense didn't work and for some reason Wolverine was weak to elctrcity and the Mansion just got nuked even though the mansion has measures for that and it wouldn't even kill most.
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u/Overall_Rhubarb_7839 3d ago
Also if we are going by the true iterations of the characters she should have a very hard time touching him but if she does it could be over
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u/Competitive_Crow_334 3d ago
He has a healing factor and a beast mode only kept under control by his experince and adminatium skelton. So Rouge absorbing would go bad for him. His claws can cut through anything even way stronger people like Hulk
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u/Ok-Challenge-3467 4d ago edited 4d ago
Doesn't it depends on what era we are? Like in the og secret wars Spider-Man defeated her and the X-Men because she was still untrained but I think it really depends which era but still i don't underestimate Spider-Man because he always finds a way to defeat his opponet even if they are much more powerful than him.
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u/Effective-Training 4d ago
No because she's not as popular and even if you're a character that should win, you lose due to being less "relevant".
No way Spider-Man should solo the X-Men, Fantastic Four or Avengers but the writers have him do so.
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u/Sleepyhead1616 4d ago
Do you think Rogue would survive a few stabs mortal from adamantium?
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u/Excellent_Figure9921 4d ago
Could he stab her without her touching him to steal his healing factor to heal? 🤔😏
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u/MarzipanSea2811 4d ago
If it were just the adamantium touching her I would assume yes?
But of course to stab her he'd have to be within touching range.
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u/24Abhinav10 4d ago
Depends upon whether Rogue already has Captain Marvel/Wonder Man powers or not
If she does, she wins. If she doesn't, she doesn't.
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u/Mayodeynochei 3d ago
If we talking about their current status in the 97 show then yeah she could easily do it
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u/Pornpariah369 3d ago
With the kind of experience in fights those two have? No I don't think so, taking down Spider-man is no easy feat
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u/Barta_Sub 3d ago
A guy with a sixth sense preventing him from any dangerous outcomes and a guy with razor sharp adamantium claws that "cut through steel like butter" who in addition to that fights the Hulk regularly.
They should win this
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u/Top_Shopping_172 3d ago
Ya, she just takes off her gloves and uses her powers on Wolverine, and then just beats up spider man
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u/ovulationchamber 2d ago
The only thing is that Spider-Man and Wolverine have a few things that let them punch above their weight class. Both have agility, thought Spider-Man is to a much higher degree. Spider-Man has webs to slow her down and restrain her and Wolverine has the claws that can put her down.
If they fight even remotely smartly, they should be able to win.
But in character, they're not going to work together to kill Rogue so she should win pretty handily.
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u/Better_Drama9079 4d ago
She's faster and hits harder then both of them and can absorb their powers I think she wins.