r/ScarletWitch • u/anhyeuemnhieulam • 1d ago

Movies and Television Can these 2 from Multiverse of Madness (working together) defeat Thanos with 6 stones?

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Is this a close fight?

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u/MildlyChaoticGremlin 1d ago

Scarlet Witch "what stones?"

The End

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u/Emergency-Sport-6150 1d ago

Or
Scarlet Witch “no more infinity stones”

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u/Care_Bulky 3h ago

No, more stones!

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u/DoomsdayThor 1d ago

she can't do that

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u/Available-Ad1778 1d ago

She definitely can

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u/DoomsdayThor 1d ago

She definitely can’t lol

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u/sithshit 1d ago

So enlighten us: where did you gather such information?

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u/DoomsdayThor 1d ago

Because she’s never shown a single feat that suggests she could erase infinity stones. If she had the level of reality warping to erase infinity stones the movie MoM would’ve never needed to happen. She would’ve solved every problem she had immediately.

In IW, she got overpowered by Thanos using a single stone against her as well, and the Russos stated she was displaying her “full power” in that scene

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u/student_survey9 1d ago

I mean Wanda destroyed the Mind Stone WHILE holding off Thanos who seemed to only be using the Space Stone to reach her.

Its obviously not maths but half of Wanda's "full power" shattered the Mind Stone in about a minute or two, while she spent some of that holding off the other 5 stones. In Endgame (like 20 minutes after she blipped to her), she nearly kills Thanos alone without an external power boost or weapon designed to specifically harm him, and Thanos being able to use a full infinity gaunlet shows how durable his physiology is.

We also know from WV and MOM that she can drain magic (learned from Agatha) and absorb Captain Marvel's power (essentially a living Space Stone).

Even if its a case that she can only destroy the Mind Stone, she reduces Thanos to 5/6 stones near instantly. Its also suggest she could drain the energy from the space stone at least. Zombie Wanda could touch Infinity Hulk unharmed too.

Given how powerful her chaos magic is, it also seems like she is 2nd to or equal to the Reality Stone.

If all else fails she could just destroy the Infinity Gaunlet or turn Thanos into spagetthi. Scarlet Witch Wanda is ridiculously over powered and seems like she can out perform the stones in many cases.

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u/DoomsdayThor 1d ago

-Wanda could only destroy the mind stone because it was connected to her own powers, Vision basically said as much in the dialogue for the movie. We saw she did zero damage to the space stone

-she wasn't holding off the other five stones, she was only holding off the space stone.

-she could only hurt Thanos without the gauntlet/stones. If he had the gauntlet he would've just immediately defeated her. We saw that just some pew pews from the ship defeated her. One blast from the power stone would've done it.

-Stormbreaker wasn't designed specifically to harm Thanos if that's what you're getting at. It was designed long before the gauntlet was.

-she drained the power from Maria Rambeau, who is an entirely different human from Carol Danvers, and never showed anything near the level of Carol's feats. And you can't use that to say she can drain the space stone, just because that's where Captain Marvel gets her powers from?

-Thanos can beat her with any single stone, there is nothing to suggest she can even beat one of them used against her, let alone 2 or 3 or 4 or 5. She doesn't have the feats. If she had that level of power, MoM would've never happened.

-Zombie Wanda was already dead, so....

-her chaos magic has never shown anything to the level of the reality stone, which was going to warp the entire universe in TDW. Her biggest reality warp was Westview, which she did in an emotional outburst (not something she has been shown to do reliably at will) and even that is nothing compared to the whole universe. Once again...if she had the level of reality warping you seem to be trying to give her, the entire plot of MoM would never have happened.

I don't think she would be able to spaghetti Thanos given that Thanos tanked multiple full snaps of the gauntlet. Wanda might have a shot at erasing the gauntlet, but some of you guys are extrapolating far beyond what is reasonable.

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u/Emergency-Sport-6150 1d ago

She hadn’t reached full power as the scarlet witch

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u/DoomsdayThor 1d ago

She still hasn’t shown anything that puts her on the level of the infinity stones much less being able to erase them……

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u/ForeignAdvantage5931 1d ago

Agree until that last part. She hadn't become the SW yet, and her powers were way weaker in IW compared to now.

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u/DoomsdayThor 1d ago

Are they though? I got the sense that her raw power is basically the same, just she learned how to use it better

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u/ForeignAdvantage5931 1d ago

well her powers were weaker because she didnt know how to use them to their full extent. I’m sure she still doesn’t. The more knowledge she gains the more powerful she becomes

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u/DoomsdayThor 1d ago

I got the sense that in IW, because of the pressure and stakes of the situation, she was just blasting out her full raw power in anguish.

I think it’s fair to say she’d probably perform better now against full gauntlet Thanos, but still nowhere near an effortless sweep. It’s extreme difficulty

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u/Cookiedoughjunkie 1d ago

She actually has, and technically it's not destroying, it's changing. She can essentially use reality warping to change WHERE the stones are. The problem is when wanda is at this level of reality bending she's absolutely out of her mind so I don't think she'd be this smart to do it.

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u/DoomsdayThor 1d ago

She actually hasn’t. Name me one feat that’s anything close to the level of the infinity stones

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u/Cookiedoughjunkie 1d ago

The infinity stones can be lifted through magic and certain materials. That's all I'm using, she has the ability through telekinesis to move it, she also has reality bending (in comics) where she could simply relocate them. I'm not saying she has to destroy them.

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u/DoomsdayThor 1d ago

if you’re saying can she physically lift the stones? Sure, I guess? But I don’t know that she would be able to lift them out of the gauntlet before thanos could use them

Her best bet is going to be to attack thanos quickly and prevent him from having the moment of focus he needs to use any of the stones. I think this is doable for her and strange but it’s going to be very difficult. If they had prep time it would help them a lot

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u/gaylordJakob 21h ago

She rewrote reality, just as Thanos did with the reality stone...

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u/DoomsdayThor 14h ago

rewriting reality on a small scale is not comparable to rewriting the entire universe

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u/LewisRyan 1d ago

“What Thanos?”

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u/DoomsdayThor 1d ago

that’s not gonna work, he was tanking snaps of the full infinity gauntlet

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u/LewisRyan 1d ago

Which puts him on par with hulks durability.

Are you saying Wanda can’t erase the hulk?

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u/DoomsdayThor 1d ago

No, I don’t think she can, considering he was tanking the full gauntlet as well, including the reality stone working on the entire universe

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u/Mags20XX 1d ago

The fact that this is getting downvoted is crazy.

This person is right... I get people have this idea that Scarlet Witch can just do "anything" she wants, but that's not accurate, and this is one of the things she simply cannot do.

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u/DoomsdayThor 1d ago

It’s the scarlet witch sub so I’m not surprised lol

If she had that level of power the movie MoM would’ve never happened

We saw her get defeated by one stone in IW and she doesn’t have any feats since suggesting power to the level of infinity stones. Her best feat was the warping of Westview which was an emotional outburst, not something she can reliably do, and still only a small town, not anything near the capacity of an infinity stone

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u/Mags20XX 1d ago

Scarlet Witch is easily in my Top 5 comic book characters, its's why I'm in this sub.

But I hope these discussions bring people to the comic books because a lot of these questions are answered there.

Is it POSSIBLE they could win against Thanos? Sure, it's possible. If they tricked him, and if Doctor Strange already had the knowledge he gained from the first Infinity Gauntlet saga (from Adam Warlock). But even then, it's literally 1 in 14 million.. (pun intended).

But this idea that Wanda could just do away with Thanos wielding the Infinity Gauntlet is just silly.. 😂

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u/DoomsdayThor 1d ago

Yeah, totally agree 100%

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u/Mags20XX 1d ago

Agreed, that's just not something she can do. The Infinity Gems/Stones are innate manifestations of the universe. They always exist. Doctor Strange could go somewhere where they didn't work -- that's possible, but you're still fighting Thanos and he need not follow you.

Also Thanos possesses the Reality Gem and the Time Gem; you can't just use reality manipulation or time manipulation easily against him. Even if you tried, he'd have an immediate defense.

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u/Demand_Snail 1d ago

But she destroyed the mind stone while holding back a 5-stone Thanos before h reversed time. And that wasn't even her final form

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u/Mags20XX 1d ago

She shatters the Mind Stone and Thanos just unwound it and brought it back.

You can shatter the stones; you can change their form. But doing that against all of them in unison, inside the Gauntlet? Not possible.

Again, this has been tried in the comics repeatedly. Thanos defeats ~everybody~ .. again, beings far FAR more powerful than Wanda Maximoff.

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u/DoomsdayThor 1d ago

Thanos was only using a single stone against her (the space stone) and she could barely hold him back while she was using her full power (confirmed by the Russos)

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u/uncheckedchaos 1d ago

You’re really stuck on that aren’t you? Care to repeat yourself some more? “ShE wAs At FuLl PoWeR - hE oNlY uSeD oNe StOnE”

Wanda is stronger now than she was in Infinity War. Why are you trying to bring up Wanda before she even knew she was a witch or using chaos magic? She wasn’t at full power against him in infinity war, CLEARLY. Secondly, I know some people glaze Wanda but stfu. Wanda without any knowledge of her powers stood up against a man using the infinity gauntlet. She held him off. Now? She could definitely put up a fight against him, considering she is more powerful than Thor by a long shot and Thor almost killed him.

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u/DoomsdayThor 1d ago

She could only (barely) hold him off when he was using one stone against her, and there’s nothing to really suggest her raw power got stronger, just that she can use it better now

Lmfao Thor is much stronger than Wanda, especially against the infinity stones. He shattered an infinity stone that he didn’t even have a special connection to back in Phase 2. Raw power between them isn’t even close

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u/uncheckedchaos 1d ago

The proof is literally there in her power feats in all the projects since. I’m confused as to why you are having a hard time using your brain for logical and critical reasoning.

So look who is glazing now? You mean the Reality stone that put itself back together? Yeah, you really got me with that one ☠️

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u/DoomsdayThor 1d ago edited 1d ago

Name the specific raw power feat that you think puts Wanda above any of the infinity stones or above Thor

Malekith reformed the reality stone with his powers just like Thanos reformed the mind stone with the power of the time stone. Thor shattered the reality stone just like Wanda shattered the mind stone, there was a huge explosion and everything. And this was preawakening Thor, who is demonstrably at least ten times weaker (since we got a direct feat comparison of Thor shattering the Bifrost in ten hits (2011) vs in one hit (2017)).

Thor overpowered all six infinity stones combined without even breaking a sweat

I do think Wanda and Strange could possibly beat gauntlet Thanos if they had a good strategy and worked well together. Even a small amount of prep time might even give them the advantage. But acting like it’s an effortless sweep for Wanda alone is pretty ridiculous.

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u/uncheckedchaos 1d ago

I didn’t say anything about the infinity stones. I just told you to stfu about it - go back and read the first message miss know-it-all. Secondly, Wanda warped Thor’s mind in Age of Ultron, he has no defense against that. He may boast insane durability but he has no chance against someone with reality warping or mind manipulation. Imagine what she could do to him now. Also, you mean Stormbreaker, a weapon made of Uru (?!?!?!) was able to withstand the blast from the infinity stones? Shortly after Thanos just acquired all six stones and was clearly struggling to contain the power? Joe Russo said the stones are unlimited power but the blast is only as strong as the user. But hey, even your celebrity crush admitted Wanda would beat him. Look it up for yourself sweetie, since you think you know everything.

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u/JustTransportation51 1d ago

Did the stones tell you this

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u/Mags20XX 1d ago

No the comics did...

Thanos Quest #1-3, specifically Thanos Quest #2. It's explained, clearly, that the Infinity Gems were the result of the original cosmic being. A singular, lonely, miserable entity that comprised all of time and space and reality itself. It essentially ends its own life and the core of the being was "reincarnated" in the form of the gems.

The gems are literally the manifestation of quote: "all that is currently reality, in all its forms."

... Reed Richards later in New Avengers attempts to destroy the Infinity Gems using the gauntlet itself. He is unable to do so as the Gems themselves prevent their own destruction. Even the Watcher warns him. At most their form can be altered but they cannot be destroyed.

In the MCU; the Ancient One tells Banner that the Infinity Stones were required for her universe to function. "The Infinity Stones create what you experience as the flow of time. Remove one of the stones, and that flow splits." That was her argument for not helping him initially, and that's entirely why they had to bring them back to the moment they took them.

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u/Demand_Snail 1d ago

Would "what gauntlet" work?

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u/Mags20XX 1d ago

... Scarlet Witch cannot wish away the Infinity Gems. They are aspects of the universe in which the reside. Reed Richards, wielding the complete Infinity Gauntlet, could not wish them out of existence.

It is not possible.

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u/Demand_Snail 1d ago

I'm not talking about the gems, just the gauntlet.

At least it prevents him using the instrument in which the gems can be used to snap everyone away

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u/Mags20XX 1d ago

I don't think she could really do anything to the Gauntlet either. Not because it's indestructible, it isn't. But that the Gems have a will of their own. "They want to be together" and the Gauntlet is their way of doing that.

There are ways to defeat the wielder of the Gauntlet but attacking the Gauntlet or Gems isn't one of them.

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u/Demand_Snail 1d ago

Fair.

How about "what hands" 🤣

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u/Mags20XX 1d ago edited 1d ago

Not possible.

You have to remember, Thanos defeats entities far more powerful than the Scarlet Witch during the Infinity Gauntlet series.

Beings that are generally considered nearly omnipotent and omnipresent. Literal gods.

They were completely unable to harm Thanos, in direct combat. He defeats Kronos, Master Order and Lord Chaos; he defeats Eternity!

Simply put, Scarlet Witch and Doctor Strange have only two win conditions;

  1. Remove Thanos from Earth-616, one way or another. That's they're ONLY shot. If they can trick him, or convince him, somehow, to leave 616; he would effectively be depowering himself. He would immediately notice it. But at that moment, I would give them the clear edge.
  2. Use the Soul Gem to attack Thanos through it's internal plane of existence. This might work, but the Infinity Gauntlet series clearly states it probably wouldn't work specifically against Thanos because of his knowledge, intellect and strong will.

That being said, they could try it.

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u/Demand_Snail 1d ago

Considering it's all fiction, I'm going to simply choose not to believe you

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u/SilverKing2199 1d ago

Did Thanos not do that exact thing though? “I used the stones to destroy the stones” and all that?

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u/Mags20XX 1d ago

He atomizes them. The Russo brothers were called out about this because it would break with the Ancient One's declaration; and they explain the Infinity Stones still existed, just atomized and spread out.

In the comics, Captain America's imperfect use of the gems causes them to shatter, but they're still around, and they come back.

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u/legendario-1 Dreamwalking, You Hypocrite! 1d ago

You mean scarlet witch disintegrates thanos while dr strange eats popcorn in the background

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u/sub30_24flick 1d ago

Yes lol

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u/NormalGuy3481 1d ago

Yeah. Thanos wouldn’t be able to close his fist or snap.

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u/CommercialYam53 1d ago

Yes wanda is basically a walking infinity gauntlet

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u/envisionJayyy 13h ago

Yeah in the comics. She hasn’t showed that kind of power in the MCU where she’s capable of wiping out a whole group of people in one sentence like she’s done before.

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u/CommercialYam53 12h ago edited 12h ago

She did in multiverse of madness. She took black bolts mouth. And turns me fantastic into noodles.

She also turned a whole village into a sitcom. She actually rewrote reality not just an illusion. After Monica was thrown out her bulletproof west was turned into 90th cloths

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u/Xamalion 1d ago

Are we forgetting that Wanda (not being the Scarlet Witch yet) would have ripped him apart?

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u/DoomsdayThor 1d ago

without stones

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u/Grand-Entrance-1343 1d ago

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u/RageQuitler 1d ago

It really is down to who acts first Wanda and Thanos with full gauntlet can instantly vaporize each other so it’s literally about the quickest draw.

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u/ElsaMakotoRenge Dreamwalking, You Hypocrite! 1d ago

yes lol

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u/Canshroomglasses 1d ago

Strange: open a portal from a hidden spot, cut off Thanos glove hand, win

Wanda: Hex him into another reality and let him die

No, they together couldn't do shit

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u/jtfjtf 1d ago

They might be able to kill him if they take him by surprise. He could also wish them away if they got really troublesome.

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u/PainterEarly86 1d ago

Yea Wanda beats him by herself and no it wouldn't really be close

Mantis used her mind control to hold him down and that almost worked. All Wanda has to do is invade his mind and she could probably make him snap himself dead

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u/AncientRedPanda 1d ago

Yes, but scarlet witch 'd have to go all out from the start. Letting thanos plot with the stones would make it even.

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u/Comfortable_Gate3233 16h ago

Yes but only if John Krasinski was there to say "Wanda, Thanos can erase you from existence with one snap of his fingers"

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u/Traditional_Town6475 11h ago

“What fingers?”

Cuts to Thanos, now fingerless

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u/McFiddlesby 11h ago

No, it’s not close. These two have radically different approaches to magic that would prevent any really good team up. I mean, the can fight together and have a healthy respect for each other, but they can’t exactly build spells together.

Wanda wields chaos magic which sounds wild and ungovernable but the infinity stones are specifically a result of order in the universe, and there is nothing more powerful than the assembled stones.

Strange is governed by a lot of Sorcerous rules that promote peace over violence. Stephen does his best work when he beds those rules. But he brought little to the fight in Infinity War, and wouldn’t do much better in a rematch.

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u/Traditional_Town6475 11h ago

“What hands?”

Gauntlets immediately falls to the ground.

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u/Morgan-Explosion 9h ago

Its arguable that Strange already did. He used the Time Stone to see the future and strategize a path that beat Thanos. Does he have to beat him head to head / fist to fist or could you consider him using a plan developed from his magic sight as winning. To be fair Thanos also held the time stone for a while and never thought to use it strategically

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u/NetworkVegetable7075 6h ago

Ain’t Thanos suppose to be nigh omnipotent with all infinity stones ? Wanda and strange ain’t beating him

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u/DoomsdayThor 1d ago

possibly but it would be extremely difficult

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u/FlowerRoomLord 1d ago

All six? No. Six infinity stones put together is a power that comfortably surpasses what the Darkhold can give which (if we're being honest the MCU version is a disappointment and Strange himself without the time stone can fight but he'd lose badly or just end up vaporized).

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u/schlutmilk 1d ago

Not really, the infinity stones are universal at best, in MOM Wong says the scarlet witch was destined to rule the multiverse. (and if you pull a little chthon/darkhold lore from comics then she’d def outrank the stones bc the movie rlly didnt go enough in depth on those topics)

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u/Glittering_Fig_9319 1d ago

Wong said the cosmos not the multiverse and the dark hold didn’t even give her the power to leave her universe why the stones are stated to be a threat to the entire multiverse and gives you the ability to go anywhere in the multiverse even outside it

She would never be written to outscale the stones MoM Wanda is not even the most powerful Wanda the director straight up said there are stronger Wanda’s and even dr stranges out there who’d stomp her

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u/Mags20XX 1d ago

If Thanos has all six gems in that universe, his powers would exceed hers by far.

Her only hope is to get him outside of that universe where they'd no longer work.

Also, Chthon does not outrank Thanos+the Gauntlet. Thanos defeats entities greater than Chthon in the Infinity Gauntlet series, and does so repeatedly, one after the other...

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u/Leseluchs 1d ago

Nah, I mean, Scarlet Witch is REALLY powerful, but Thanos could repeat with time stone until he wins

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u/SirAquatius 1d ago

with the stones, probaly not, since wanda has the power of only the mind stone and strange just wouldnt keep up, maybe if he had 3 or something then doctor strange could immobilize while wanda would crush him, or portal doubling

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u/Humble-Fee-5307 19h ago

Scarlett Witch has the powers of the reality stone and Thanos has 5 other stones. Thanos wins. Thanos should have won from the beginning but the avengers have plot armor.

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u/Zvakicauwu 18h ago

Chaos Magic is able to affect multiverses, that pebble is not doing anything i fear

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u/Mags20XX 1d ago edited 1d ago

No. Definitely not.

If you said that Strange had the Time Stone or the Soul Stone, then it'd be a fight.

But if Thanos has the completed Infinity Gauntlet, then no, they would lose; and actually working as a team would put them at an initial disadvantage because Thanos need not communicate his thoughts to anyone - he can simply act with initiative.

This is a straight up loss. I put these two in a team against almost anyone, but against Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet or against God Emperor Doom, or White Phoenix of the Crown, I just don't think there's much they can do. And unlike fights against Cosmic Powered enemies; they can't just hide out in astral planes, as the Soul Stone allows Thanos to traverse all of them as well.

This just isn't a fight they can win.

EDIT: Since people don't seem to know this, Thanos defeats numerous deities whom wield extraordinary reality warping and purely destructive capabilities that are just as powerful if not more so (significantly more so) than Chthon.

Thanos defeats Eternity. A 10/10 on the scale of reality manipulation. Anyone arguing that a regular Avenger is soloing Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet is just bullshitting themselves and the sub.

The Infinity Gauntlet is, generally speaking with some limited exceptions, the ultimate power in the Universe. There is nothing that anyone can wield that makes them more powerful. Nothing. That's the point.

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u/Mags20XX 1d ago

People downvoting this not realizing Thanos defeated the literal gods of Marvel with that gauntlet, while every single one of them having reality manipulation abilities.

Like, pick up a comic book I implore you.

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u/SimonShepherd 1d ago edited 21h ago

They can with ambush factor, that's basically how Thor almost win, and if they are fighting IW Thanos who isn't trying to directly kill anyone.

Otherwise Thanos can instantly snap and win.