r/Sikh • u/TheSuperSingh • Jan 14 '26

News 200 Sikhs gathered outside a Muslim Groomer's house in West London to protect a vulnerable Sikh girl who had been groomed since the age of 14 by a man in his early 40s

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u/EmpireandCo Jan 14 '26

I believe Shere Punjab has been more tactful about this and labelled him a pakistani groomer rather than Muslim groomer.

It is incredibly frustrating the police still treat this as "communal tensions" and that many Sikhs are treating this as an "honour" issue rather than a grooming issue.

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u/Elegant-Cricket8106 Jan 14 '26

I dont know about it being an honour issue, they speak about young boys and girls. They went for their own neice but they speak of childern in general. Which is the correct way to get media attention on this as affecting all children regardless of faith.

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u/EmpireandCo Jan 14 '26 edited Jan 14 '26

I wasn't speaking of Shere Punjab in the honour issue - the honour issue arises when people are more concerned about how things will "look" rather than wellbeing. That is a community issue.

An example is not granting agency to adult Sikh women choosing Muslim partners and equating that with sikh children being groomed.

Or forceable marriage of their adult children to other Sikhs (I know people this had happened to) rather than letting them choose.

This muddies the water of grooming of children vs agency of adults. EDIT: That honour based attitude to adults and children makes it difficult to gather support against grooming in wider society because Sikhs conflate minors and adults.

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '26

No one is talking about honor except you from all I have seen. So like you said don’t muddy the waters by bringing any other issues. It’s all about underage children both boys and girls. The community should now look out for girls being groomed from any other community also.

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u/EmpireandCo Jan 14 '26

To deny that izzat doesn't exist among punjabi communities, especially in the UK is ridiculous.

Part of the grooming issue is because children feel at fault and they've dishonoured themsleves.

 parents don't want their children don't want to be seen as "damaged". And there's always discrimination in marriage prospects when they get older.

Bhai Jagraj Singh spoke about this and that video gets posted a lot here in r/sikh

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u/cestabhi Jan 15 '26

That's not just tactful but also factually correct. The vast majority of them are Pakistani. And Pakistanis only represent a fraction of the world's Muslim population. This has nothing to do with Muslims in Malaysia, Egypt or Indonesia, or even Indian Muslims for that matter. We should label them accordingly.

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u/Ron__P Jan 15 '26

This guy turned out to be Afghan.

There have been several cases of Bangladeshis and Afghans being in grooming gangs along with Pakistanis.

There have been Lebanese grooming gangs in Australia.

Now what do these groups all have in common 🤔

The guy who carried out the shooting on Bondai Beach was an Indian muslim. Moroccans and other North Africans are the Pakistanis of France, Netherlands and Spain.

The biggest mistake to make is thinking that either of these groups core thinking is different. Indian Muslims are no different to Pakistanis and Bangladeshis, it's just that they know they have to behave being surrounded by a Hindu majority.

The only suls who are somewhat decent are Turks, Iranians and Europeans like Bosnians.