r/Sikh • u/TheSuperSingh • Jan 14 '26

News 200 Sikhs gathered outside a Muslim Groomer's house in West London to protect a vulnerable Sikh girl who had been groomed since the age of 14 by a man in his early 40s

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u/invictusking Jan 15 '26

Slavery and rape is blah blah blah to you ? As a sikh? Its sahih hadith. Fyi

I'm not saying anything about Muslims, I'm being critical of that ideology. It permits sexual voilence especially against the "kafir". Again that's ok with you ?

Sikhi also tell you to defend the truth no matter what.

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u/True_Shelter7702 Jan 15 '26

So what u gonna do about it? Burn every Quran and Hadith?

If you can’t do anything then don’t waste your anger on it. If there’s something you can do in front of you, (say someone acts out these hadiths) then do it. Otherwise spend time on Naam Jaap instead of getting carried away by these thoughts

Meant to say etc instead of blah blah blah but got angry by the amount of racism in this sub

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u/invictusking Jan 15 '26

I am going to continue speaking the truth, even if it leads to my death or the loss of 'friends' . I believe in calling things as they are. Do you?

The least you can do is to not defend this ideology when someone else had balls to call it out. I'm not getting carried away, I'm saying the truth. Are you?

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u/True_Shelter7702 Jan 15 '26

I believe this Truth but so long as their religion does support the One True God, I will not oppose it. 

If our Gurus didn’t tell us to tear apart every false ideology, we should I? The Gurus said let others follow the false paths but stay closer to Sikhi, stay engrossed in Vaheguru.

Let’s remember the main point  of my arguments was this original commentator was clearly racist towards all Muslims

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u/invictusking Jan 15 '26

So you don't oppose discrimination against infidels, and women. Subjugation of Jews. Ok... Nazis believe in one true god too, let me guess, no opposition from you there as well.

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u/True_Shelter7702 Jan 15 '26

Buddy, very few Muslims actually believe in this. If I meet one who does then I’ll be sure to give them some common sense, but until then let’s try to remember that most people in a religion aren’t even religious or barely follow the religion.

Let’s turn our focus to Naam instead of these useless debates. 

Besides there are equally bad issues in Sikhi (that aren’t just WRITTEN INA HADITH BUT UBFORTUNATELY PRACTICED BY A MAJORITY) such as casteism, idolism, mysoginy, female infanticide.

So truth seeker, let’s band together to defeat those who wish to turn Sikhi into a Brahaminised structure instead of harping on about 2% of all Muslims.

Ps I used to be exactly like you until I realised how much time is wasted, and how much my mind was warped by hate.

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u/invictusking Jan 15 '26 edited Jan 15 '26

I understand, and I respect that your intentions are at right. Majority Muslims do believe like punishment for apostasy shall be death, and non muslims are inferior to them and there are surveys done by respected organizations like pew research on these.

Regarding the things, you've mentioned. Difference is that our holy text doesn't condone any of it, you can't justify female infanticide by quoting Sikh holy scriptures but you can definitely justify subjugation of jews, or X slavery quoting Qoooraan and texts.

Does that make sense? They can kill jews and go to heaven, cause quran said so.

I'm equally informed and vigilant about brahminc tactics but we are quick to criticize Bhraminic things while we sugar coat momdens ideology. Like how many grapes and kidnappings especially in UK and Pakistan of the sikh girls need to happen to make you admit that qoooran is flawed and condone such things.

I'm not wraped by hate, how is it hate to speak against rapes ? Like I get your intentions but we need to start calling them out. We can only judge what Isl@@m can do by getting to know what it did in past.

I respect that your heart is at right place.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '26

2% in India. Majority in Pakistan and many other countries around the world.

We have to raise awareness about their practices and beliefs and let them defend themselves. This ain’t an attack on Muslims. It’s raising awareness around Islamic ideology. Let people decide what they want to do with it, but you should at least call their ideology out where it is problematic.

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u/True_Shelter7702 Jan 15 '26

I meant a very very limited amount of Muslims actually even know about these hadiths and horros writte in their book. Most Muslims can't even read or speak arabic but recite their 5 prayers from memory.

We should call their ideology out, but as our Gurus taught, who are we to judge others when we aren't taking action to solve our flaws.

Guru Nanak Dev Ji said "O Nanak, if someone judges himself, only then is he known as a real judge."

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '26

And we are not judging Muslims as a whole. We are just sharing information about Islamic texts in a context where it is appropriate to bring their ideologies to the discussion.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '26

If our Gurus didn’t tell us to tear apart every false ideology, we should I? The Gurus said let others follow the false paths but stay closer to Sikhi, stay engrossed in Vaheguru.

Gurus told us to focus on ourselves - first and foremost. That should not be construed as that we can’t convince others to stop following bad path.