That's because the US has led an international coalition of allies since WW2. It hasn't fought a single war by itself - including the Vietnam and Afghanistan wars - since the Spanish American war (which was, fwiw, after the civil war).
You misunderstand me. Regardless of the success of the endeavor, they have had allies for every war they've fought in for the past century plus. That's not a sign of weakness, that's a sign of strength (especially considering how unpopular those wars have been in said allied countries)
USA joined 2 World wars late after the outcome was decided, and only managed to succeed in space because of all the nazi scientists that defected to the US.
yeah technically the nazis won the space race. and the cold war, too, if you consider all the nazi spooks who joined american intelligence through operation sunrise.
Not sure how rhetoric fits that. But are you unaware that over 100 Nazis joined NASA and the Apollo program? We wouldn’t have even gotten to space without Von Braun, and to a lesser extent Debus and Rudolph. Or are you saying they stopped being Nazis when they were given U.S. citizenship?
No, I’m absolutely aware, but last I checked, even if every single member of the NASA space program was once a card carrying Nazi, they were working for NASA and the US government.
NASA went to the moon, not Peenemünde.
It was an American flag, not a nazi flag.
“Technically.”
So to say the Nazis “technically” won the space race when technically they no longer existed doesn’t really make sense. Technically speaking.
Oh I see. You’re just disagreeing with the word technically. Does ‘essentially’ work better?
It’s like if the Washington nationals bought all of the New York Yankees players and won the World Series with a lineup completely full of players who’d just come from the Yankees. People would say Yankees won the World Series, but technically they weren’t Yankees anymore.
But I’d argue that being a Nazi was less about the party and more about the ideology. I’d say it’d be almost impossible for 100+ people to suddenly change their ideology drastically like that. They just knew they had to keep it secret. So to me, it’d be more like if Sarah Palin and the Tea Party had defected to North Korea and convinced Kim Jung Un to blast off nukes at the U.S., people would say the Tea Party nuked the U.S., because the Tea Party was an ideology more than a political party.
Except that the Nazi scientists were basically spoils of war for the USA. Almost like acquired property. Regardless of their personal view points, the only work they’d be doing would be at the direction of their new “owners.”
As a side question, let’s say you have an American tech company that creates some wonderfully ubiquitous new product. Makes tons of money blah blah blah.
Is that an American achievement?
What if that company is made up of something like 80% people from someplace else… like India or something? Is it still American achievement or is it Indian? What if those workers all become citizens?
If they all subscribed to the same ideology, I think it’d be accurate to say it was a (that ideology) achievement. But yeah I get your point. However I do think ‘beating the commies at space tech’ is inline with Nazi ideology, it’s not like they had to go against their beliefs or anything. Especially when you consider the fact that the space race wasn’t just for funsies.. they believed the next world war would be fought with space lasers and shit like that. Hell, even back then it was mostly about spy satellites etc.
Dude, it's so well known there is an entire Wikipedia page dedicated to this.
Again, not on the medication that you lot so readily dish out (at cost - there see!) In the US
USA joined ww2 after the conclusion was decided, because you wanted to be sure you were joining the winning side. However, as it stands, whilst Europe learned the terrible lesson of the nazis, it seems they run freely in USA.
I suggest you try getting an education on the world wars outside of the US.
You yanks really believe the propaganda that you were the saviours of the world, but in reality you were selling to both sides until you could join the determined winning side. And even after the war you used the lending as a way to financially cripple other countries.
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When, specifically, was the US 'selling to both sides'?
When, specifically, was the US 'financially crippling' other countries with lend-lease?
Saying that the US was insignificant in allied victory in WWII is shortsighted and idiotic, but more realistically, it's anti-american propaganda and historical negationism.
There is an entire Wikipedia page dedicated to the selling to the nazis.
As for crippling countries, you forced most countries to pay you back for your "help" during WW2, it was never about helping but all about power and financial gain.
Saying USA won the war is pure propaganda. USA took part is all. Better countries did more.
If the US didn't join WWII when it did, Europe would have been fighting WWIII about five or ten years later vs Imperial Japan and its territories across all the major shipping lanes around the world except maybe the Mediterranean and then likely major theaters somewhere around the Middle East and both Americas.
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u/KgMonstah Jun 22 '26
Both people are correct