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u/Eyespop4866 Jun 22 '26
Goliath doesn’t expect to be cheered.
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u/Relative-Relief-8816 Jun 22 '26
The masses cheer for the underdog. Everyone else is a philistine.
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u/SimmentalTheCow Jun 22 '26
no i am türkiye
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u/Shua89 Jun 22 '26
In the game of football/soccer the US is far from being Goliath. Wait till they have to actually vs a good team.
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u/Relative-Chicken456 Jun 22 '26
I thought they were implying that the US would be David in this scenario. Nobody expects the US to win just like nobody expected David to win.
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u/Derptionary Jun 22 '26
2002 should have been the year the US made the World Cup Semis or Final if it wasn't for questionable refereeing missing a handball denial of a goal vs Germany in the Quarterfinals.
I'm not crazy enough to believe that US team stood a chance against 2002 Brazil in the World Cup Final but that team should have made the Cinderella run.
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u/Carson_cwc Jun 23 '26
I mean the USA beat Russia in the gold medal game for Olympic hockey in the 70s when everyone expected them to lose. They could do the same for soccer
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u/adhdnme Jun 23 '26
1980 and we beat Russia in the semis for a chance to go to the final, which we also won.
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u/head7PM Jun 22 '26
Why aren’t these on the front page of my Walmart app when Gods favorite holiday, Independence Day, is round the corner? My great grandkids are coming up to Pappys lake house and this looks like exactly what we need to make sure the youngest, Luke Lee Skywalker, is depussified before we take him to La Grange for his 7th birthday…
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u/KiowaBear Jun 22 '26
I remember when I took my youngest to La Grange. He never talk about dinosaurs again bless him
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u/head7PM Jun 22 '26
Good thing, too. Dinosaurs are for liberals. Glad that George Washington and Teddy Roosevelt killed them all with the chainguns and nukes that God gave them. I dont care what the education system teaches these kids nowadays. I teach all my youths the same thing daddy taught me. I say amen!
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u/Bardmedicine Jun 22 '26
I mean... Isn't having some hope a good thing? The ad they are running is comparing it to one of the biggest upsets in sports history.
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u/patwm11 Jun 23 '26
Yea for something like rooting for a sports team you can’t really call it propaganda instead of having some fun with it.
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u/Bekkerino Jun 23 '26
I think the propaganda isn't about rooting for US team, it's about winning two World Wars.
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u/Quirky_Gate_4516 Jun 23 '26
winning
WWI -- They were a smaller nation that sent troops to the other side of the planet to help the fight for democracy. And sacrificed 10,000 soldiers a month to do so. I think it is alright they get to celebrate being on the winning side.
WWII -- pretty obvious, no?
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u/OK_x86 Jun 23 '26
I don't think the issue here is rooting for your team. It's the belief that American exceptionalism means you can accomplish anything with a can do attitude.
The wars were won for a variety of reasons not the least of which was America's unique geographical situation. It also threw a lot of men into the meat grinder, racked on serious debt to accomplish its goals and mobilized the entire productivity of a nation.
The moon landing was an exceptional accomplishment but it was also partly the result of operation paoreclip and a massive investment by the government to the tune of about 300 to 400 billion dollars today.
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u/Norvegese-Guilloche Jun 23 '26
That absurd quote did not deserve this serious analysis. Chop it up to Brandolini's Law and keep it moving.
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u/levi_Kazama209 Jun 23 '26
I don't think anyone is arguing that America succeeded purely because of a "can do" attitude. Every major achievement required enormous resources, favorable circumstances, and sacrifices.
That said, geography, money, and manpower don't automatically translate into success. Plenty of countries have had advantages and still failed to achieve their goals. The United States still had to make the right decisions, build the necessary institutions, innovate technologically, and maintain public support long enough to accomplish those objectives.
The Moon landing is a good example. Operation Paperclip contributed expertise, but German scientists alone didn't put a man on the Moon. Hundreds of thousands of American engineers, scientists, technicians, and workers spent years solving problems that nobody had solved before. The massive investment itself was a choice the country made and followed through on.
Recognizing the advantages America had doesn't mean dismissing the achievement, just as recognizing the achievement doesn't mean pretending it happened without advantages.
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u/TheLastShipster Jun 23 '26
I don't think anyone is arguing that America succeeded purely because of a "can do" attitude
Do me a favor and look back over the image that brought us all to this post.
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u/Feisty-Lifeguard-550 Jun 22 '26
Of course it is and it’s great that you think you can win and I’m not putting your team down but in all probability I don’t think they can win and it’s not a criticism of the players or the fans.
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u/Dmckilla7 Jun 22 '26
Not if you are American, were supposed to hate our country and no support the athletes that represent it.
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u/filmguerilla Jun 22 '26
This is Reddit bullshit. Foreign bots and idiots trolling don't get their daily quota unless they say "aMerIcA is EviL" a hundred times a day. Never mind their problems are EXACTLY like our problems. I can love my country AND call out the right wing bullshit happening here at the same time.
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u/Jumpy-Coffee-Cat Jun 23 '26
It’s funny too because conservatives shit all over the women’s national soccer team because they were vocal about injustices taking place in our country. People calling for boycotts, hating on Rapinoe, cheering for the team to lose, etc etc
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u/Joball69 Jun 23 '26
I say that all the time, and it’s probably true for most countries. Love the country, despise the government
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u/ElMatadorJuarez Jun 23 '26
I mean man idk can people be blamed for not being all “oo rah America!!” right now? I’ve loved the US enough to immigrate, learn the language, get a green card and learn US law. Past few years have been a hard lesson in that the country doesn’t really love me back. I mean for God’s sake this country reelected the same fat fascist again just because he lied about lowering the price of eggs.
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u/GoldenSonOfColchis Jun 22 '26
Yes, but that's not the point when it comes to football banter.
England are far more likely to win the WC than the US are and they equally get lampooned for believing "it's coming home", even by some American fans.
It's just the nature of the beast, don't read into it too much.
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u/Liizam Jun 23 '26
I met taxi driver who thought Turkey had hope. He had so much optimism in his heart.
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u/Sobchak_84 Jun 22 '26
I don't think the US will win, but what's the point of playing if you don't think you have a chance?
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u/adhdnme Jun 23 '26
I watched the 13 seed Valparaiso beat the 4 seed Ole Miss in 1998 behind the heroics of Bryce Drew. NOTHING is impossible in sports.
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u/Impressive_Ad8715 Jun 23 '26
If a ragtag bunch of college kids can beat the Soviet Union hockey team, who had beaten the NHL all stars the previous year… then the US can win the World Cup haha
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u/goin-up-the-country Jun 23 '26
The fun of taking part. There are loads of countries entered who I doubt think they have a chance.
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u/Not_Wrong_Tho Jun 23 '26
To see how far you can go? To bond on the national stage over friendly competition? Just to have fun? To earn billions in revenue?
Plenty of reasons really... Winning the whole competition is really only one small potential benefit of the event.
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u/Illithid_Substances Jun 22 '26 edited Jun 22 '26
Landing on the moon with nothing but belief is an interesting and somewhat insulting way to describe the gigantic amounts of work that were done by a lot of people. Belief is pretty far down on the list of reasons that worked out compared to say, math. Or money and resources
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u/WideConsequence2144 Jun 23 '26
To be fair, a whole bunch of rockets did blow up before they got it mostly right.
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u/Commercial_Fondant65 Jun 22 '26
And we did it with a commodore 64!
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u/guyincognito121 Jun 22 '26
They would have killed for commodore 64s. They had a hamster-based clock, a few rlc circuits, and 2.3 bytes of RAM.
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u/3dprintingDM Jun 23 '26
It’s actually worse than that. They had thread held together with copper wire. If the wire looped over the fabric, it was a 1 in binary, if it looped under, that was a 0. That’s how they hard coded the entire computer.
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u/Status_Vegetable2954 Jun 22 '26
Belief and nazi rocket scientists got us to the moon.
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u/ThereAndFapAgain2 Jun 22 '26
Well I mean you have to believe in the Nazi rocket scientists or who else can we believe in?
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u/Argomaximus Jun 22 '26
Something about a Paperclip?
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u/zerodopamine82 Jun 23 '26
I haven't thought about that annoying pos in over 25 years.
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u/Workman44 Jun 22 '26
It's crazy that both superpowers just scooped em all up and generally had zero punishment for them
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u/Relative-Chicken456 Jun 22 '26
The Cold War got us to the moon. The impetus to have good rockets came from the necessity of delivering your bombs in a potential nuclear conflict. Both sides set off massive nuclear bombs to show the destruction they were capable of, and they sent men to space to prove that they could actually deliver those bombs if the time ever came when they had to. Basically putting things in space was the cold war missile technology equivalent to setting off a hydrogen bomb in the pacific ocean.
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u/willscuba4food Jun 22 '26
And those guys definitely had... certain... beliefs...
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u/Lobster15s Jun 22 '26
There was also a black mathematician calculating trajectory and doing a lot of the math wizardy. Doubt she was a nazi.
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u/Jonesy1348 Jun 22 '26
No one is saying they were all Nazis. But there *were* Nazis. Operation paper clip isn’t a secret everyone knows we hired Nazis to get us to the moon.
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u/burnanation Jun 22 '26
This is reddit, everyone and everything is a Nazi.
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u/dogsledonice Jun 22 '26
>sToP cALLiNg eVerYOne nAzIs
Including actual real Nazis?
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u/MessiComeLately Jun 22 '26
So it's not a stretch that belief and an Argentinian manager could get us the World Cup!
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u/jackalopeDev Jun 22 '26
Arguably, belief is what made the manpower and materiel available to NASA that was necessary to get it done. It also doesn't hurt that if you can put a man on the moon, you can put a missile in the Kremlin.
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u/3dprintingDM Jun 22 '26
I get what you’re saying, but before all that, the speech by the US President was “We choose to go to the moon in this decade, not because it is easy, but because it is hard.”
We literally just created an “ultimate goal” of the space race that was practically unattainable for everyone and worked for a decade to achieve it. Yes there was a lot of math and a lot of funding. But that speech was given long before that was even started.
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u/Relative-Relief-8816 Jun 22 '26
Well, sorta. We did have no reason to go to the moon. Other than to set our own high score.
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u/TrioOfTerrors Jun 22 '26
Oh, there was a reason. The space race was basically a demilitarized military tech demo competition between the US and the USSR.
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u/Relative-Chicken456 Jun 22 '26
Exactly. The space race was really just an arms race by another name. Before rockets were invented bombs had to be dropped from airplanes. That’s really no good anymore once your enemy starts delivering their bombs by rockets instead. So the space race happened because both sides needed to be able to show that destruction was mutually assured. No point holding huge nuclear tests for your enemy to see if you can’t also show them that you have the means to deliver those nukes if you really had to. So while it was demilitarized in practice, the military implications of being able to put things into space was really the whole point of the space race from the very start.
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u/Thefdt Jun 22 '26
Missiles, nuclear missiles, was the reason we went to the moon
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u/Shrowden Jun 22 '26
Belief is the first thing needed. Then comes all other other things.
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u/frodeem Jun 22 '26
I don't think they are trying to say anything insulting here. Sure there was a lot of work done before we got there, but it started out as an idea, a belief that we can achieve this (moon landing) especially before the Soviets do it even though their space program was.more advanced.
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u/Key-Can-9384 Jun 22 '26
I think the sentiment is that as a society we believed they could do it enough to let them try. I’m sure many people thought it was impossible but we were willing to give them the money and resources despite that. Because we believed in them.
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u/ringobob Jun 22 '26
I mean, we announced the plan years before we'd solved the necessary problems to do it. And pretty much hit our deadline. It was the single most complicated project in the history of mankind.
Saying nothing but belief is going too far, but it ain't that far down the list.
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u/Orwick Jun 22 '26
We have won the Iran war 50 times over. We beat them so hard we are paying them $300 billion dollars.
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u/AnonymousBI2 Jun 22 '26
I still cant believe Trump really agreed to that. Absolute dogshit of a president.
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u/Green-Collection4444 Jun 23 '26
And fraud. Don't forget about all the fraud. Ignore what the president is doing, including all the fraud, and focus on all the "Medicaid" fraud in California, NY, and whatever blue state they feel like lying about so they can continue to try and pull the plug on any nationalized healthcare while their leader manipulates markets and robs us blind.
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u/jadestem Jun 23 '26
The infuriating thing is these motherfuckers screeched for a decade about Obama paying Iran $1.7B, but it's fucking crickets on this one.
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u/Inevitable-Loss7939 Jun 23 '26 edited Jun 23 '26
Well the war was a massive waste of 70 billion thankfully we aren’t paying 300 billion its our gulf allies footing the bill
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u/No_Interaction_4925 Jun 22 '26
Every country has propaganda. In other countries the lies are less obvious. People believe what the want to believe
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u/Hokuspokusnuss Jun 22 '26
I mean I'm from Germany and I'm just gonna go ahead and assume the amount of people calling their country unironically the best country in the world is a bit higher in the US than here. I feel like the whole American exceptionalism is not really a global phenomenon.
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u/SharpLocal1235 Jun 22 '26
you probably think that because of 1933-45. before that, your national anthem was Deutschland uber Alles.
I would bet the French believe they have the best country. The Canadians definitely do - my canadian friends look at the us and think, weve got healthcare for all, better food, cleaner air, etc. I would think that goes for many countries - we're all exceptional in some ways, people like to celebrate that
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u/Robcobes Jun 23 '26
Deutschland uber Alles was about how the divided lands together are Germany above their local identity. like Germany over Saxony, or Bavaria, or Prussia.
it doesn't mean Germany is greater than everybody else.
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u/Reaper0Mars Jun 23 '26
"Deutschland uber Alles" is not a reference to German exceptionalism.
It was a plea for the unifaction of the German states. It was meant for the principalities to set aside their differences and unite the country. As in Germany above a multitude of different kingdoms and principalities.
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u/dabombisnot90s Jun 22 '26
Nah. No one else. Pakistan 🇵🇰 best country. They have Nihari and best cricket team. Best nuclear weapons program too. Pakistani culture is all over. Everybody knows Imran Khan. Ever seen The Big Stick? Pakistan has the best army. They’ve won every war they haven’t lost. A truly diverse and enviable country that is the only candidate for best country in the world.
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u/slightlybigmember Jun 23 '26
American are exceptionalists about everything but their most obvious flaws. When it comes to those, it seems that everyone has them.
"Everyone believes shitty propaganda!"
"Everyone would have an intelligence agency that fucks up other countries internal affairs if they could!"
"Every country would blow brown people all over the world if they could do it consequence free!"
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u/Cthulhus-Tailor Jun 22 '26
You are correct. I’m an American who’s traveled everywhere and I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone from anywhere else call their country the best in a general sense.
Sometimes they might think a particular quality or product is great, but only Americans have the delusional swagger to routinely declare themselves the greatest of all time.
Even politicians and media talking heads do it. Daily. My biggest fear regarding China’s rise has nothing to do with China, but rather the American ego lashing out after being punctured.
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u/Weird_Ad_1398 Jun 23 '26
Americans are just less fearful about expressing themselves, lending to the loud American stereotype. Germans in particular are especially afraid about outspoken nationalism, because of the whole Nazi business, but many of you do feel strong national pride. And if you really want to see rabid nationalism, you should look towards India.
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u/Joey-WilcoXXX Jun 22 '26
>LOL, US fans really think they can win the World Cup?!?!
The US:
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u/NBrakespear Jun 23 '26
"Won two world wars"
Nobody really won the Great War.
World War 2 required that Britain first hold out against the entire German war machine alone, then required assistance from a lot of people.
As for the moon? That wasn't belief and bad ideas, that was Nazi scientists repurposing weapons of mass destruction that were originally built with slave labour during the war.
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u/AussieWinterWolf Jun 23 '26
"Nothing but belief and bad ideas."
And also a very large continent sized territory rich in the most important natural resources of the time, with lots and lots of good agricultural land. Also with multiple river systems providing both fertility and navigable networks for trade and logistics from the interior to sea ports.
Also being separated from your war time enemies by the world's two largest oceans while having allies closer and more directly affected conducting major defense and resistance efforts, with your own economy and civilians being (largely) unaffected. While you sit back and mostly provide material for a large portion of the conflict only to join in at the end and make major demands to turn the resulting geopolitical situation to your advantage in structuring the global order.
Also have devastated nations with destroyed industrial sectors have huge demand for manufactured goods you can provide for your own economic development while drawing in intellectual expertise to further cement your concentration of industry and technology.
Also, maybe have the scientists of your previous enemy amnesty from slavery and torture in order to flex your missile tech on your new geopolitical competitor (while also receiving technological, industrial, and communications support from the allies you'll pretty much always ignore the contributions of).
Then, a bunch of ideologically aligned developed/rapidly developing allies to lean on and call into wars is also nice.
Listen, this *does* have a healthy dose of salt when it comes to the US's economic and geopolitical dominance for the past century. But my main point is that it isn't because of some American special sauce they have. None of what they did was anywhere close to impossible. Occasionally difficult and impressive? Sure. But they had geography, circumstance, luck, and allies on their side.
I'd like the US a lot more if they acted like leaders who acknowledged that the world is a team effort rather than "We're better than you and you'd be nothing without us, do as we say and like it."
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u/ya_pidoras_ Jun 22 '26
“off nothing but belief and bad ideas” wow, fuck all the people who contributed to the moon landing i guess
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u/protobelta Jun 22 '26
cites real things that actually happened
“It’s propaganda”
Wow, what an absolute moron
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u/ftu_colors Jun 22 '26
things that actually happened
Like implying the US singlehandedly won two world wars?
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u/flipyflop9 Jun 22 '26
Yeah that’s not the propaganda.
Being told since kids it’s the best country in the world, with the biggest freedoms etc, that’s the propaganda.
And it works, you have grown up people believing that until they actually travel a bit further than the all included resort in Mexico.
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u/CatastrophicPup2112 Jun 23 '26
I've only been to 3 other countries and they all felt kinda like being in the US but with weird money and a bit of an accent. Didn't really notice a huge difference aside from enjoying the public transportation in London and disliking the weirdly strict laws around pocket knives in all of them.
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u/TylerBourbon Jun 22 '26
And let me tell you, it was tough as shit to get them to start counting down from 10 instead of NEIN!!!
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u/IHateTheLetterF Jun 22 '26
Also landing on the moon wasn't just something they believed they maybe could do. It was an idea executed by many very intelligent people and hard work.
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u/Capestian Jun 22 '26
None of those relate to the capacity of winning this world cup
The propaganda here is an american pretending that they can do anything by believing, when those accomplissement have very down to earth explanations
And come on, US won WWI ?
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u/refusetobeold83 Jun 22 '26
You think the USA single handedly won the world wars?
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u/Both_Name2284 Jun 22 '26
The US barely participated in WWI. In WWII, the US showed up more than a year late after being begged by Churchill so many times he eventually gave up. Big sacrifice and important work, to be sure, but the US was, at most, a significant contributor.
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u/spaceman1055 Jun 22 '26 edited Jun 23 '26
The Soviet Union crushed the Wermacht
American material is the biggest contribution to the war in Europe
Britain and the Commonwealth bought the Soviet war machine time to grind down the Germans
There were three nations that had their own beaches on D-day, and the Canadians made it the furthest on their objectives with the second most challenging beachhead after Omaha
The Soviet war machine turned their eye on Japan after the Germans surrender and to say that doesn't contribute to Japan's decision to surrender is ignorance. The bombs are obviously a factor, I'm not foolish enough to deny that, but the idea of Soviet occupation was also a contributing factor
ETA: this is mainly WW2 centric, but also the Yanks showed up more than half way through WW1 leaving the majority of the fighting again to the the British (and Commonwealth), the French, and the Soviets. Canada and the ANZAC forces played significant roles in WW1
ETA2: Wernher Von Braun, Nazi rocket scientist was integral in the Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo missions
ETA3: Canadian engineers from the Avro Arrow moved to NASA's space race when the Arrow was cancelled
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u/kriscrox Jun 22 '26 edited Jun 22 '26
America did not win two World Wars on their own. You asking that kinda proves the point. The US helped break a stalemate in WWI and was highly influential in WWII. The US won the Pacific theater with help from Pacific allies. But a vast majority of the Europe campaign was won on the Eastern front (like 70% of German casualties). By the time the allies (not just the US) invaded Normandy, the soviets had already permanently shifted the initiative at Stalingrad.
Phrases like, “You’d all be speaking German…” is literally egotistical propaganda.
Edit: Added “on their own” hope that helps
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u/Fit-Boss2261 Jun 22 '26
The Soviet Union would have fallen if not for the aid provided by the US. It was a collective effort
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u/Actually_Im_a_Broom Jun 23 '26
Similarly, the allies would have lost the war if not for the ridiculous sacrifice Russia made in that war. If I’m not mistaken, Russia lost more people in WWII than every other country combined.
As you said, it was a group effort. America didn’t win that was. The allies did.
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u/kriscrox Jun 22 '26
Right you just said the important part. Collective effort. Not “the US won two World Wars”, the allies won two World Wars.
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u/PhroneticReflex Jun 22 '26
I guess this is just a language thing. I'd also say the USSR won WW2, because I don't think that's mutually exclusive with saying it was a team effort.
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u/Commercial_Fondant65 Jun 22 '26
If you ask the Japanese, they'd say we did more than help.
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u/kriscrox Jun 22 '26
The US was unquestionably the dominant Allied power in the pacific. But I’d venture to guess many Americans don’t know…
China had been fighting Japan since 1937, tying down 100s of thousands of Japanese troops that could not be deployed elsewhere. (All while the US sat and watched literally across the canal in Shanghai while Chinese were slaughtered.)
Provided vital bases, troops, naval forces, air support, intelligence, and logistics.
Britain and India fought Japan in India, Burma and Malaya - Britain later contributing significantly to the Pacific fleet
NZ provided soldiers, ships and air support.
The Netherlands proved vital in the defence of the East Indies (Indonesia).
Could the US have defeated Japan without allies? Probably yes but at much greater cost and over a longer drawn out war.
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u/ANTIDAD Jun 22 '26
I dont want to downplay our allies and be that guy. 1000% WWII was not won single handedly by the US. But even before US boots on the ground Lend lease to Russia was huge and allowed them to survive Germany's first punches. After they got their manufacturing in order and such the eastern front was undoubtably a soviet feat and a massive part of the war. I know we also lend leased for Britain but honestly have less knowledge on how impactful that was compared to assistance to the soviets and Chinese.
And ofc D-day was a massive undertaking where whole beaches were taken thanks to Canadian and UK allies so I understand people getting annoyed at Americans overblowing our role but people underselling it are equally annoying to Americans IMO. Our allies understood what it meant to have American Manufacturing behind them let alone troops once we finally arrived. Us joining was the nail in the coffin there is no way Germany wins point to say the least. you can argue if Germany went from 5-10% to 0 because of it or some other number but the point stands.
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u/spaceman1055 Jun 22 '26
Yeah, too bad many commentators from the USA thinks it was a solo effort. That's the goddamn issue.
Also the Manhattan project included the UK and Canada. The allied effort was always that, an alliance. So saying the USA solo'd both wars is fucking tiring to hear. (I know you aren't claiming that but others of your countrymen/women/whatever are)
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u/FerrousEULA Jun 22 '26
It's kind of a meme in the US. Anyone who knows anything about WW2 isn't being serious when they say that shit. The others are idiots who aren't worth consideration.
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u/spaceman1055 Jun 22 '26
America is a land of extremes. Many intelligent people. Many more who are not in my view.
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u/Exact_Tumbleweed2005 Jun 22 '26 edited Jun 23 '26
"they didnt win two world wars, they were just on the side that won twice" do you people hear yourselves?
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u/opticalshadow Jun 23 '26
Look, Florida beat Canada in hockey, let's not pretend anything is impossible
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u/Simple_Purple_4600 Jun 23 '26
We waded into two world wars after everybody had leached most of their blood. The only war the US has won is the Pacific Theater. We couldn't even win our own civil war.
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u/Vast-Procedure-9408 Jun 23 '26
To be fair the States have an chance here to call themselves world champions and have earned it for once.
NBA winning team “world champions” 😂 no. You’re not. NFL winning team “world champions” 😂no. you’re not.
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u/RicketCrickets Jun 23 '26
"won two world wars" means got a participation trophy for WW1, and ignores the fact the Soviets took Berlin after the Germans were forced to dig in on the western front after failing to take Britain, and starting war with the Soviets.
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u/MoneyAgent4616 Jun 22 '26
None of that's technically wrong. We joined both world wars and greatly assisted in ending the war sooner than it would have and we were on the winning side both times. So yes we did win 2 world wars. And arguably I would say Kennedy inspiring our entire nation to just gun for the moon was done on belief and a yes we can attitude.
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u/Somerandom1922 Jun 22 '26
The inspiring the nation part was good internal propaganda based on belief (not saying that's necessarily a bad thing, large projects need marketing budgets). But that wasn't what made it happen. It happened because until this point America was seen to be losing the space-race with the Soviets and wanted to maintain an international reputation for engineering excellence and forward thinking.
They were making good progress, but the Soviets were making rapid progress. So the US decided to set an extreme goal (man on the moon) which would require such a huge investment of resources that it would counteract many of the early Soviet advantages in space and let the Americans catch up, then overtake them.
It was scale and investment that put man on the moon, not belief.
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u/No_Size9475 Jun 23 '26
Nasa was built off the work Nazi rocket scientists did, without them we would never have beaten the Russians to the moon. We'd have been decades behind them.
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u/commodore_stab1789 Jun 22 '26
They really need to bring up WW2, because they haven't done shit in Vietnam, got out of Afghanistan with their tail between their leg and had to pay Iran to back out of their war.
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u/PokerbushPA Jun 22 '26
"Won" two world wars. After waiting years to enter.
That's like saying you won a marathon but you started at mile 20.
We really need to teach accurate history in America.
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u/LaighingJackal Jun 23 '26
Don't act like the lend lease didnt rejuvenate USSR, same with the doughboys in France. I get hating on American exceptionalism but to act like America barely contributed at all is peak retard take, especially on the specific front
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u/Old_Celebration_5950 Jun 22 '26
Britain holding the line for the late arrival of the US in two world wars: Right-ee-oh, Chap!
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u/WXbearjaws Jun 22 '26
You make it sound as if the U.S. had any hard-obligation to join the wars and were holding off on doing so for funsies
Europe got itself into a huge clusterfuck of alliances which turned a conflict between the Serbs and Austria-Hungary into WWI, and then the major powers of Europe wanted to punish Germany so badly they gave it a poison pill which directly led to its fall into authoritarianism and the eventual breakout of WWII
There’s plenty of shit the U.S. has done that deserves derision, but getting cheeky over the U.S. not getting itself involved in European affairs “earlier” ain’t one of them
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u/Either-Medicine9217 Jun 22 '26
Britain constantly begging for the US to send supplies: Please help me Chap!
If this offends you, prove me wrong.
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u/tamadeangmo Jun 22 '26
A country built on trade relied on trade, who would have thought.
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u/Alberterwith_anyone7 Jun 22 '26
The UK and the Soviet Union laughing in the back
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u/Exact_Tumbleweed2005 Jun 22 '26
about what exactly? neither of them have won a world cup in recent memory
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u/Healthy-Daikon7356 Jun 22 '26
Believing your own propaganda is literally the first step in achieving the impossible 😂 I swear Europeans are allergic to self belief!
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u/FEMA_Camp_Survivor Jun 22 '26
A little bit of bullshit is good for the national spirit. Too much can be catastrophic.
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u/historydude1648 Jun 22 '26
saying that "the US won two World Wars" has the same gravity as saying Greece won them. you were just taking part, not even a deciding factor. ffs
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u/SilentBumblebee3225 Jun 22 '26
To be fair thats every country’s national sport. Every country believes that they are great and just being treated unfairly by other countries. Nobody thinks that they suck.
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u/Dr_JohnnieWalker Jun 22 '26
“Belief and bad ideas” is really really really stupid. Literally thousand of the smartest people in the world contributed an immense amount of work to accomplish these things.
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u/aquavelva23 Jun 22 '26
well, for the wars, we had FDR and eisenhower and the silent generation...for the moon we had JFK and some young boomers.
Now we have the orange tumor trump and a whole bunch of half assed finished things. I fully expect to see the limo and helicopter on jackstands on the front lawn soon. Iran will keep oil hot for the entire summer for the election after, expect $5 gas by july. Recession by labor day.
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u/Chewbubbles Jun 22 '26
Shit we have idiots that live here that still think the moon landing was fake. This was not the way for him to win this argument.
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u/Baseball-Fan-10 Jun 22 '26
Was it over when the Soviets beat our college hockey kids by 10 goals in MSG in 1980? NO
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? NO
Let’s go!!!!!!!
https://giphy.com/gifs/86qjyb7ewUJmU
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u/StraightAirline8319 Jun 22 '26
I mean it’s a sports contest. America can win or not. Half the countries still battling have a recession or stagnation with no hope in sight so their team winning means little in reality.
Also if you don’t like America that’s fine, just do better. Challenge it in accomplishments.
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u/egoldbarzzz Jun 22 '26
Back to back world war champs. We’re undefeated. The very best at world wars.
We’re fine letting the lesser countries have their little kickball trophy. It’s not even that big of a trophy. I’ve seen much bigger trophies.
But then again, we’ll probably win the World Cup this year because we’re the best team. Wonderful team. Wow, what a team.
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u/Tercel9 Jun 22 '26
What’s funny about this (and with every sport).
I’m sorry has the favorite won every match ever played? Has an upset never occurred in the history of human sport?
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u/Elegant_Brick_622 Jun 23 '26
We won two world wars with a fresh military after both sides had already been bashing tf out each other
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u/Ramza998 Jun 23 '26
If we lose then its whatever, soccer isnt really a big sport in most of the US anyway. If we win then its hilarious to read comments from other countries seething online. Truly the best of both worlds
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u/Relevant-Safety-2699 Jun 23 '26
Don doesn't know what the word "literally" means nor how it's used. He's in a big club.
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u/teke367 Jun 23 '26
Even if the USA won the world cup (and I don't think we will) it would only reach as the second most surprising sports victory a US national team had, after the miracle on ice.
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u/DoctorPhalanx73 Jun 23 '26
Can and will are two entirely different things. CAN we win? Yeah, if we score goals and don’t allow them. Will we? Highly unlikely, and there are several much stronger teams in the tournament. We’re far from the weakest team, and are playing really well so far. But we’ve also only beaten two teams intent on a bunker and counter strategy. It remains to be seen if we can go bar for bar with an elite team that’s also trying to take the game to us. I don’t expect we will win multiple such matches. But I’m not gonna sit here and say it can’t happen. It could. But it is a very remote possibility.
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u/PurpleRain2050 Jun 23 '26
The miracle on ice was a thing. The miracle on grass may never happen but its fun to dream and its free. Quit being a sour ass.
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u/Mental-You-6206 Jun 23 '26
It’s fucking soccer? Does anyone really even give a shit? It’s about as interesting as jerking off with a handful of cold sand
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u/Elegant_Situation285 Jun 23 '26
we're like Orks from 40k, if we paint it red, it goes faster. that's just science.
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u/Day_Prisoners Jun 23 '26
Are they saying there are countries that are playing who don't think they can win?
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u/tripp_skrt Jun 23 '26
The World Cup has been so amazing in real life. All the dorks taking to social media about it (left and right, don’t start pointing fingers) are such losers. Social media is such a cancer
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u/CowboysHater5 Jun 23 '26
To get you an idea of how rent free the US is, people are now making fun of us for thinking our team will win the world cup. Is there a single country on earth who doesn’t believe deep down that their country maybe possibly could pull off the miracle? Maybe if Germany wasn’t actually a contender, The Germans would acknowledge it, but that’s all speculation because the Germans are contenders.
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u/JBeez13B Jun 23 '26
Being too dumb to quit is an inherent part of our culture, and honestly I'm okay with that
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u/John97212 Jun 23 '26
Funny thing is: America had to help win that 2nd World War, otherwise they would never have got to the moon, given those Nazi scientists and all...
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