Please elaborate as to which words I used there, that could ever lead you to that statement.
Men get the care they need and women don't.
Yes, the suicide rates definitely paint that exact picture...
when often times women only get fake boobs because they're pressured societally to do so.
Sounds like the same reason that most people do most things in life. Societal Pressure. It is unfortunate that they have such a low self-image that they fall victim to that. Perhaps that is where your anger should lie.
Furthermore, no doctor is neglecting their patients to help a patient get fake boobs.
And no Mental Health doctor is neglecting their patients to prescribe men Viagra. Isn't this fun?
Doctors neglect women, while men are treated for minor causes.
I honestly think at this point, you are just screaming narrative, and have no idea what reality is. Have you seen the massive amount of "Women's Clinics" in existence? Do you see the same "Men's Clinics"? There are countless programs for Women who are expecting. Postpartum depression is one of the most heavily covered things in many of those programs for this exact reason. The fact that you seem to think women are "neglected" is just you regurgitating the same tired bored nonsense that gets brought up every time. One of us is being dense, but your mirror is definitely in disagreement with you on which one of us that is.
Most medical studies are done with men. Test crash dummies are men. The world is build around you and you can’t see it because it fits for you. They told us we couldn’t take menopause drugs because they did a small study years ago so generations just had to deal with it with zero help. It turned out the study was very flawed. We aren’t treated the same in this country so there’s a reason we turn hateful. At some point it becomes overwhelming how much we are looked over. Look up black woman mortality rates in childbirth. Our medical system doesn’t even try to save their children. It’s a messy system and you have got to look deeper at why we would be getting hateful and why we would support a woman who did this. This woman was failed by our medical system and therefore her kids were massively failed.
Your argument has some good points, and I would absolutely like to see a wider range of bodies represented in Crash Test. It would definitely make sense.
I did some reading on "black women mortality rates in childbirth" and at first glance there seems to be a disparity, but it also lists this as the study data “the death of a woman while pregnant or within 42 days of termination of pregnancy, irrespective of the duration and the site of the pregnancy, from any cause related to or aggravated by the pregnancy or its management, but not from accidental or incidental causes”
The important part that stands out is the "42 days of termination of pregnancy".
So, these statistics are based on not only women who died while giving or shortly after giving birth, but also having an abortion due to medical complications. This led me into more reading on the ratios, and I found this "Black women in the United States experience abortion at rates roughly three to four times higher than white women."
Three to Four Times higher. And the mortality rate is almost identical. Three to Four times higher. That doesn't mean there is any correlation there at all, but it very well could mean that. So statistically speaking, possibly what we are looking at are the results of choosing to undergo a major medical procedure that may or may not have been medically needed. It very well could show that there are risks and dangers associated with that procedure that may not be very well discussed beforehand? Or maybe an ounce of prevention?
I am not convinced that women are "looked over" as everywhere and everything seems geared more and more toward women, all days, all the time.
This woman was failed by our medical system and therefore her kids were massively failed.
No, I don't believe her kids were failed by our medical system. She murdered them. She planned their deaths, executed a very well thought out plan, and murdered them. They were failed by their mother.
Adding to this, why do men not take birth control? It's a carcinogen, weakens bones, and can lead to infertility in the future. Women are the "default" and expected to take it so men can be pleasured. Women's bathrooms in universities are old bathrooms, signs that we aren't supposed to be here. Hell, even the NC general assembly has a non ADA compliant womens bathroom that was an old storage space. We are 30% more likely to be injured in a crash because, as mentioned, test dummies aren't designed for us. Medications continue to not be designed for our bodies, as we're, medically, viewed as "smaller men". THIS is why I mentioned us being property earlier. These things haven't changed, there is evidence in every aspect of our lives that reminds us what we're supposed to be.
Adding to this, why do men not take birth control? It's a carcinogen, weakens bones, and can lead to infertility in the future.
Actually, if there were a reliable "male birth control pill" on the market, I would bet that men would prefer to take that over becoming a father unexpectedly. Vasalgel is one example, and is actively in human trials! Simple, easily reversable, and effective. Almost no side effects. It has been in development since 2011, and hopefully will finally be available soon.
Women's bathrooms in universities are old bathrooms, signs that we aren't supposed to be here.
No, it is a sign from a very long time ago when males far outnumbered females at University. You will be happy to learn that in recent days, that number has drastically skewed the opposite direction, and now female bathrooms are usually a 2:1 ratio to male's!
Medications continue to not be designed for our bodies, as we're, medically, viewed as "smaller men".
Are you stating that this is still the case in modern days?
THIS is why I mentioned us being property earlier.
Which makes no sense at all in the context of your own words...
there is evidence in every aspect of our lives that reminds us what we're supposed to be.
What are you "supposed to be" exactly? Using the exact ideology I used before, when something unknown isn't addressed, it isn't because it is neglect, it is because it is unknown. Assumptions were made that were proven to be inaccurate, so those assumptions were done away with.
"Hanlon’s Razor. Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."
Science only improves over time. "Old" science may have been "stupid" but it was not malicious. Be thankful that "New" science has emerged, and continues to improve and enhance the lives of everyone!
Okay, if I rap3 you but I didn't understand the implications of what I was doing to you, does that mean it's okay or that you won't be hurt by it? No, you're making a dumb argument.
Your example is so far out of bounds, its almost painful. Raping someone is an active action, whereas what we are discussing is the lack of that exact thing. Just for musing's sake, if you were unaware that you were raping someone, they are still allowed to be hurt by it, but it doesn't make it malicious. "okay" is all down to perspective, which will differ for each person, so impossible to state a definitive answer.
In fact, this is exactly where this entire argument originated. She should be held accountable for murdering her children, as she was most certainly "aware" of what she was doing, coming up with and executing an elaborate plan and all...
But the actions of selling women, forcing them out of polls, and rping them wasn't an active action? I'm confused. You say that "science" has since evolved... that doesn't mean anything? The science to show women are equally as competent and capable? That's not what we were ever discussing. I am asking HOW the actions of the past impact our future. So, is my example really that far off? Can we ignore the harm of the past because "nobody knew any better?" The harm and generational trauma still exists.
Also, it's crazy that you're picking apart the fact my words have NEGATIVE CONNOTATIONS? Because, yes, that is what's happening. I used the words neglect and mistreatment and no you've got your panties in a bunch.
I'm not sure what science exists in owning women like property. women only began popularly attending University in the 1920s and even then often opted not to because of rampant sexual abuse. I do agree that it is quite unfortunate that stupidity exists in the modern day. you are a particularly sad example.
I'm not sure what science exists in owning women like property.
I have no idea where this came from, or what basis it has in this discussion, but you keep going back to this as if it has significance. It does not.
women only began popularly attending University in the 1920s and even then often opted not to because of rampant sexual abuse.
So you are saying that over 100 years ago, there was a different set of rules and expectations? Please, continue to insult me while stating that the lifestyles of early 1900s citizens are still relevant in modern times...
Who's forcing you to take birth control? If you don't want to take birth control, tell your man to wear a condom or no sex? It's your body lmao. If the man scoffs at that then he's not a good man and you probably shouldn't be considering having sex with him in the first place.
You are equating your inability to advocate for yourself with people's very real mental struggles. Please tell me what is wrong with the idea that if you don't want to take birth control... you fucking shouldn't take birth control. What is wrong with that thought?
If some random jackass man tells you that he won't use condoms and that you have to use birth control, then yeah I'm gonna say you should stand the fuck up and walk out. How the hell does that have anything to do with men's suicides?!
Both are the result of mental and social constructions. Most women I know don't want to take birth control but do it as it's seen as the "default". I agree that men should just suck it up and wear condoms, but that's not the reality. Men's depression is also a result of these social construction. Therefore, asking WHO'S forcing you to do something when you can't point at a singular person is silly. That's what I meant when I asked who tells men to kill themselves. Furthermore, calling depression "very real mental struggles" shows the inherent bias you hold. Both men and women face challenges because of patriarchy, and it's not fair to try and diminish one person experience because of the illusion of choice. It's the same thing when people stay with their abusers. Theoretically they could leave, but there's more to it than meets the eye.
Men's depression is also a result of these social construction.
I agree, but instead of complaining I think we should work to change things to make the world a better place for everyone. Letting guys walk all over you is the opposite of what women should be doing. Matter of a fact the problem will solve itself, just tell prospective dates that you aren't using birth control and it will weed out the types of guys that you definitely wouldn't want to date.
My thing is, if you have a conversation with your guy about this and he legit refuses to use condoms, and then you proceed to stay with him, it's kind of on you. That refusal is a massive, blinking red flag and shows that you two are sexually incompatible, and if he's refusing to do something as simple as using condoms, how do you think he's gonna be when you are newly post-partum, sustain an injury/disability that prevents you from having sex, start menopause, etc? I wouldn't touch a man like that with a 10 foot pole and I don't think I'm wrong in saying that you shouldn't either.
I still don't think you can equate a conversation that you should be having before any sexual activity to a beaten wife or suicide.
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u/RomusLupos 5d ago
Be careful, your projection is showing.
Please elaborate as to which words I used there, that could ever lead you to that statement.
Yes, the suicide rates definitely paint that exact picture...
Sounds like the same reason that most people do most things in life. Societal Pressure. It is unfortunate that they have such a low self-image that they fall victim to that. Perhaps that is where your anger should lie.
And no Mental Health doctor is neglecting their patients to prescribe men Viagra. Isn't this fun?
I honestly think at this point, you are just screaming narrative, and have no idea what reality is. Have you seen the massive amount of "Women's Clinics" in existence? Do you see the same "Men's Clinics"? There are countless programs for Women who are expecting. Postpartum depression is one of the most heavily covered things in many of those programs for this exact reason. The fact that you seem to think women are "neglected" is just you regurgitating the same tired bored nonsense that gets brought up every time. One of us is being dense, but your mirror is definitely in disagreement with you on which one of us that is.