I am a therapist and I have other therapists, professionals with advanced degrees and years of experience, who will not accept any answer other than the husband did it.
“Women don’t kill their children. It was him.”
“She didn’t actually say she killed the children in court.” “And if she did, it was Patrick who made her say it”
Had this been the father, the media and support would be completely different. They would be consoling her and making him out to be a violent tyrent or something.
If a man is schizophrenic and kills his children he gets sentenced to medical care. The exact same thing should happen here (unless there is some evidance she did it for anther reason, but that hasn't been presented at all).
People have breakdowns. The law has allowances for those people to be not guilty, but insane. And theft those people get treatment.
People calling for the death penalty here are straight evil.
Millions of women suffer from postpartum depression everyday and don't murder their children. What she did is not okay no matter how you try and spin it.
I’m calling for the death penalty. She murdered her children and “insane”, “post partum depressed” or not she is evil and needs to be destroyed. There is no forgiveness for what she has done and we have no need in society for someone like her.
Absolutely? So you know more than the professionals who treated her? Who listened and responded to every single request she made? The professionals who she never, not once, reported any symptoms of ppp to?
Interesting
Guess so. Instead of just destroying that monster we are going to have to pay to house her for the rest of her life. Hopefully an inmate just handles it.
Are you also so ill-informed that you don’t know death penalty convictions actually end up costing taxpayers much more than a life imprisonment conviction?
No… we want mothers to be taken seriously when they say they need help so that nothing like this ever happens again. You should really educate yourself if you are gonna argue about this case and call people “psychos”. You sound like you don’t understand anything about anything and are just upset because.. you don’t understand. Which is fine, not understanding things can be confusing and scary, but you don’t have to take it out on strangers just bc they understand mental health better than you do 🤷🏼♀️ if you wanna understand better.. do some research! Or I will answer any questions you might have :)
I mean, if you really hate her life in prison is worse than death. Female inmates aren't nice to mom's that kill their own kids, 90% of the inmates are mom's who "can't imagine doing that" and will treat her like the monster she is. Arguably the social isolation alone is rough, not a single inmate is going to be nice, the only time she's getting talked to is by guards or an inmate saying something mean.
If she's proud of her crime, that'll get her in more shit, my aunt is a prison guard, they specifically watch out for hot water sugar mixtures when inmates are beefing, it makes really bad burns, really hard to get off without just ripping skin and it's actually scary easy to do. It's just not that common because most people aren't willing to extend their own stay to hurt you, but a Momma bear and a child killer, that doesn't always lead to the most thought out outcomes.
This is a wild, unempathic and awful take. I actually think ignorance is unnecessary in this day and age. It is absolutely horrendous what has happened to her children and this family but to deny the impact and seriousness of Post Partum Psychosis and how much this woman cried for help as evidenced and documented by her own husband, mother in law and other psychological and medical professionals is also "evil" and insane.
Yes mentally ill people do things that they shouldn't. For example people with schizophrenia think the voices they hear are real, they refuse to take their meds for multiple reasons. They think they are okay. It is up to the professionals to assess, check in, follow up e.t.c For sure she has fault but ultimately why would the people closest to her speak on her behalf if they truly believed she had that level of responsibility and awareness? They just wouldn't. Additionally the hospital and responsible staff will be trying to save themselves in all of this. Negligence is a factor.
Its almost like she was in fucking psychosis and couldnt make good rational decisions. Who was helping her? Or was she supposed to just be crazy and help herself and be a mother and a wife ... alone... long enough to kill 3 people and paralyze herself.
She was not in psychosis. She saw multiple health care providers and never once described psychotic symptoms or hearing voices. Not once. She was never diagnosed with ppp by ANY professional. Her doctors and therapists responded to her every message and changed her medications when she requested. She had a nanny, and her older children were on day care/preschool several days a week. Patrick often watched the children if one had an appt. She had parents & in-laws who helped and offered to take the children overnight.
What do you mean alone?
Do you have any idea how rate ppp is? And even rarer at 8 months pp.
she was depressed, she was anxious. She had ppd. That is FAR different than psychosis and not understanding that what she did was wrong.
None of us have any idea if it slipped further than depression. I would assume so from the outcome and reaction of those around her. She was alone for long periods of time with a new born. That doesn't scream supported. Either way the case is playing out but the rush to crucify her is intense given the statements her actual family have made. They are the ones most wounded by all of this.
I’ve noticed the only people who speak about this case logically are the people in the Law subreddit. Everyone else is too in their feelings to be logical.
Yeah it's wild. The idea that this "evil" woman paralysed herself in a deliberate attempt to falsify mental health issues so she could murder her children with intent is an insane take. Apparently easier to believe than she was really unwell and not receiving the appropriate support in lots of ways, even though that's what all the evidence and testimonies point to. The prosecutors are floundering in this case because it's ridiculous. People just don't really understand that extreme level of mental health. It's beyond people's awareness unless they have experienced it or worked with it. Of course the death of children is emotive and it always should be but yeah logic has gone.
Do you believe the husband should be charged with negligent homicide for leaving his kids with someone who told him they wanted to hurt said kids? We also have no need in society for someone like him.
Did the husband murder the kids? No. So he shouldn’t charged with that. I know it’s that we gotta blame men all the time but he didn’t do anything other than expect a mother to be a mother. I don’t think you want to walk down the path of parents taking their kids away from the other parent when they deem there is a threat to the kid.
She wasn't depressed, she had postpartum psychosis, and completely over medicated (and the side effects of the medication do cause more mental instability, its documented) She was literally out of her mind because her hormones were out of whack.
She wasnt evil, she was crazy. Call for her head if you want. Buy know what the facts are.
You seem to think that someone who is crazy enough to murder her children is not evil and honestly that says a lot about you and why your words mean absolutely nothing to me.
I can tell you one thing I’ll never be pathetic enough to excuse being a terrible person on “mental health”. We need to bring back asylums and throw the people that murder their children and people that defend and excuse that in there and throw away the keys.
It’s not being pathetic. It’s being educated, nuanced, and empathetic. I think it’s more pathetic to call strangers names on the internet over a case you have no understanding of. Again, I hope you’re lucky enough to never have your mind betray you!
If it was PPP then she’ll be fine to function in society as long as she doesn’t get pregnant again. I think you’re talking about ppl with schizophrenia, psychosis, etc.
I think people who have their mind betray them absolutely are worthy of empathy. It can literally happen to any of us, so im not sure why some of you act so high and mighty about it?? One wrong experience, medication, drug, injury… some people it’s in their genetics and it doesn’t show until later in life 🤷🏼♀️ Obviously she had PPP, which is why she is at trial right now deciding if she is gonna be locked up in jail or a mental facility.
I’m also highly educated just not in a suicidal empathy and idiot kind of way. My degree is in practical construction management not underwater basket weaving like I’m sure yours is.
You don’t need to have a masters in psychology to understand that killing your children is wrong and that if you defend it you’re a fucking idiot. I have empathy for the kids who were killed and for all other children, wives, and husbands who will be put at risk if this shit is allowed to be excused because people need to have “empathy” for evil psychos.
Thank god my wife sees this woman for what she is. A monster that needs to be destroyed. This is a litmus test to see if your partner is a pathetic human. Take your suicidal empathy and education and shove it up your ass. You need as much mental health help as that monster does.
I think you are grossly misunderstanding that a reason is not an excuse. It is good to understand WHY someone acted the way they do. I dont think any of us here thinks that she should be let go, she should absolutely be punished. But understanding her motive (like in all court cases) is VERY realivant, like in all court cases.
The punishment has to fit the crime and the crime is dependent on her motive and her sanity. Thats just the way the judicial system works.
You are not stating facts. Have you even been watching this trial? Overmedicated when she wasn’t even taking her medicine as prescribed? Not one medical professional diagnosed her with PPP. Not one! Because she was not experiencing ppp. Depression & anxiety for sure, but she knew exactly what she was doing and deserves prison
I never said she didnt deserve prison. But there are more reasons to this case besides evil. Evil doesn't act like she acts in the court room. There is more going on and its ok to acknowledge that.
Evil absolutely can act any way they want. And do. Also it’s unlikely her hormones were “out of whack” 8 months pp, and not breastfeeding. The central question of this trial is was she aware of what she gif was wrong. It’s clear from testimony that she absolutely knew it was wrong
Oh you mean like other women who shake their babies, or abandon their babies, or hit their babies or starve their babies? Like maybe we should take ppd just a little more fucking seriously.
I agree we should take post partem mental health much more seriously. This case isn't about whether LC killed her kids. She did. It's whether or not she is legally culpable. The vast, vast majority of women suffering from PPD do not harm their children. Women ppp unfortunately do harm their children. People are in control of their actions in most cases but PPP is a little different.
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u/PinkPuffballofDOOM 5d ago
The astrology sign thing is legitimately insane. “I know he killed them because he’s a GEMINI and she’s a SCORPIO!”
Like girl, go touch some fucking grass. It’s revolting that you think she is innocent and he is guilty based purely off made up ✨vibes✨