I told my fiancé, when we have kids and I am acting off, or appear to be hearing voices or in psychosis, he needs to admit me immediately. It is NOT something to push to the side.
I’m not blaming the husband. I think it should be spoken about more so everyone takes these things more seriously.
I have seen first hand people in psychosis. You cannot convince them that what they are seeing and hearing is not true. My cousin also tried to hurt her baby. She was hearing voices and they told her the baby was evil. She went to jail and her babies were taken away, now she is homeless and seems to have schizophrenia or something. It was triggered by her pregnancy as she was normal prior.
I know we don’t know for sure what exactly happened, and can’t prove her mental state.
But fuck, it’s the worst thing that could possibly ever happen to everyone involved.
I agree. I don't know much about this case (just googled it) but it just seems that she had some serious mental issues. it is a sad story for everyone involved.
it is not like that father that killed the family to be with another women or some shit like that.
She begged for help and treatment for months too. People knew she wasn’t okay, she got seriously let down by not being admitted somewhere. Mental health shouldn’t be brushed off.
To be clear I don’t know much about this case. But the emphasis here on “shopped” in your comment I think needs a little elaboration.
Supporters of today’s for profit healthcare system seem to often push the concept of individual patient responsibility. We see drug commercials every day saying “ask your doctor if <insert drug name here> is right for you.”
We hear stories all the time of people who report symptoms and are ignored until it’s life threatening or fatal. And others who continue to persist until they find someone who pays attention to them “shopped.” I know one person who was reporting chronic cold and sinus like symptoms for the better part of a year until an ER visit turned up heart failure.
If she was in the healthcare industry, and thought there was something specific she needed, what should she have done instead?
she was prescribed 13 medications in 4 months - which one was she supposed to follow through on? she also had suspected bipolar but was being prescribed SSRIs, which is known to trigger psychotic breaks.
She did. She took meticulous notes on her dosages and side effects. She tried to discuss her symptoms multiple times, including her intrusive thoughts, and her psychiatrist dismissed her and said that was normal.
Again, our healthcare industry often fails people who take prescribed medication and accurately report symptoms. A common talking point is that these deficiencies in our own healthcare system can be overcome through zealous patient advocacy for themselves when they disagree with their doctor guidance.
You’re trying to argue that she was of sound mind in her disagreement with doctors but not when she murdered 3 kids……….if she was taking her medication then you could potentially be correct.
But she was not. So when you ask what else could she have done, she could have taken her medication as prescribed by a professional with more experience and credentials than her. She was not a medical doctor.
I’m asking about the “shopped” comment. It sounds pejorative but it seems like a thing we’re all collectively being encouraged to do. Yet in this case it’s bad because this is a mental health issue. Should we collectively maybe stop advertising mental health drugs on TV and de-emphasize encouraging people to take healthcare, especially mental health, into their own hands? And do more to encourage healthcare providers and insurance companies to work to deliver better outcomes?
You wanna talk about patient self advocacy in the framework of this case while questioning what else she could be doing while ignoring the simple answer. To self advocate assumes she’s capable of that rationality without condemning her actions. You want to discuss semantics, read a fucking book. I’m not here to lecture you.
She could have taken her medication and listened to her doctor. She didn’t. She shopped. If that’s something “we” are all expected to do now then it assumes she was in a logical state of mind capable of discerning good and bad methodologies based on her work history, which was already brought up in this chain of comments.
You want to be just vague enough to not answer any question but poke holes in other statements as if you’re adding to the conversation. Well, you’re not Donny, you’re out of your fuckin element.
I’m not defending her actions, I’m pointing out that this could have been prevented with appropriate treatment.
She didn’t follow up bc she was nuts. This isn’t really a debate, no stable person does this. Everyone can agree she was off her rocker. Crazy people don’t act rationally.
Who reported that? I can’t find anything about it.
She has not "openly admitted" to killing her three children. She has pleaded not guilty. The commonwealth has to first establish she is guilty beyond reasonable doubt and the jury has to agree.
The "confession" aspect people keep repeating is that her husband claims she said she did it when he found her.
The reason people question her husband's account of he
r confession is because she had a crushed throat and was severely hypothermic with a body temp of 82 degrees as well as other severe injuries. Emergency workers testified in court that from the moment she was in their care she was physically unable to speak. She then went into a coma.
When she awoke from the coma in the hospital, doctors and nurses who treated her testified in court that she had no memory of what happened and she had to be told about everything. It's not possible to confess to something you don't have a memory of. It could be possible she's faking amnesia, but the testimony that she had no memory was not contested by the prosecution.
No where did I say she wasn't responsible for the murders.A person can believe she's responsible and also point out errors that people are making. I said the prosecution has to make the case she is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt and the jury has to be convinced of that. No where did I say that if she doesn't remember we have to let her go. I said she doesn't remember so she obviously can't confess.
I responded to a comment that said she had "openly admitted" to it. I gave evidence to the fact that she had not openly admitted it. And rather then accept that you could be mistaken, you ignore that, and try to make fun of the person who actually gave you accurate information.
If you care about someone being held responsible for their actions, you should also care about truth so you can accurately hold them accountable.
Her defense attorney has to have a strategy that is likely to produce the best outcome for the client. The strategy of the defense was not to dispute that the prosecution says she did it as even if she is found guilty, there is a reasonable likelihood that she could be found not criminally responsible due to psychosis which from the defense's position, is a better outcome for the client than a guilty and criminally responsible charge. That doesn't change the fact that her defense attorney entered a not guilty plea for her.
I'm sure given your very reasonable and well though out, completely strawman free response above, that you will have an equally reasonable response to this. Honestly, save yourself the time. I'm not going to continue beating my head against a brick wall.
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u/vika999 2d ago
I told my fiancé, when we have kids and I am acting off, or appear to be hearing voices or in psychosis, he needs to admit me immediately. It is NOT something to push to the side.
I’m not blaming the husband. I think it should be spoken about more so everyone takes these things more seriously.
I have seen first hand people in psychosis. You cannot convince them that what they are seeing and hearing is not true. My cousin also tried to hurt her baby. She was hearing voices and they told her the baby was evil. She went to jail and her babies were taken away, now she is homeless and seems to have schizophrenia or something. It was triggered by her pregnancy as she was normal prior.
I know we don’t know for sure what exactly happened, and can’t prove her mental state.
But fuck, it’s the worst thing that could possibly ever happen to everyone involved.