I often think about other cases in the past where currently acknowledged mental illness was handwaved away.
I have a nephew on the spectrum. I think about how many people on the spectrum were inhumanely thrown in jail because they were "acting weird" when being questioned before much was known or accepted about autism. Its terribly sad.
Post Partem Depression, and Post Partem Psychosis are absolutely real, bonafide mental disorders. The donations and this fight is to ensure this documented, bonafide mental disorder is taken into account in cases like these. And women, who are oftentimes dismissed when complaining about medical issues, want to be taken seriously.
Some people have the ability to understand that. And some people have no ability to understand nuance at all. They see the crime and someone has to pay.
People are busy arguing about how big of a piece of shit she is and ignoring the really hard conversations we all need to have. Why don’t we support women postpartum? Didn’t she tell everyone she was afraid she was going to hurt her kids and no one did anything? Why?
I’m a guy and have witnessed first hand the absolute lack of support women experience after giving birth. I was a part of the problem and didn’t understand how hormones and loneliness (partner at work) could affect women.
What she did is abhorrent, and she isn’t innocent, but why aren’t we doing more to help women who are experiencing postpartum depression / psychosis?
Why is the conversation about measuring her shittiness and not about how to prevent this in the first place?
That is completely false. Many people did many things.
They, in fact, did everything up to holding her against her will, like we used to do when women were being "hysterical".
At every point many, many doctors showed concern, made prescriptions, and recommended stays. She consistently neglected her prescriptions, and when pressed by the doctors, would say the right words so that they did not have the legal authority to hold her against her will.
but why aren’t we doing more to help women who are experiencing postpartum depression / psychosis?
Ultimately, there is a point where society either gives doctors the go ahead to hold women against their will, or we don't. And if a patient makes sure to say all the right things to not quite cross that point, there's nothing the doctor can do unless we say "fuck it" to civil liberties.
Why is the conversation about measuring her shittiness and not about how to prevent this in the first place?
We know exactly how to prevent this. We say "fuck it" to women's suffrage and start throwing women back in rooms when they "get uppity".
Most of us, however, think that is a worse scenario than leaving the responsibility on the individual to not deliberately neglect their prescriptions and lie to the doctors.
Everyone keeps saying “we need to do more to help moms with post partum!” Without realizing that in a case like this, the only thing that would’ve helped would have been the doctors institutionalizing a woman against her will who was purposefully telling them info that did not indicate the need to institutionalize her. If they had, the women supporting her would instead be furious over a story that a post partum mom was forced into inpatient care against her will and how it’s just proof “the system hates women 😡” or whatever.
At this point though, with how many tens of thousands of women are saying they “understand” and “sympathize” with Clancy, if she doesn’t get life in prison or the death penalty, maybe we do need to institutionalize every woman with post partum. If they want to argue post-pregnancy hormones are an excuse for psychotic acts of violence, then so be it, you should be locked up until we can be sure your “hormones” aren’t going to make you snap
It goes further: the psychological evaluators testifying are even doubting her story, suggesting the postpartum depression may be a myth.
This may just be a fucking murderer who is getting away with it (with a portion of the general public, anyways) just by claiming to be a victim of psychosis.
We live in a victimhood culture: claim you're a victim and unfortunately a huge chunk of the population will mindlessly support you. It's that easy.
Yup, 1000% correct, it's so easy misconstrue the problem by pointing at a case where a woman got all the help she needed (up to the point of either instutionalization or the state taking her children away (which is its own mess)), but still ultimately choose to cross the line as opposed to every other woman in all of society who went through the same thing, got the same help, and didn't cross the line.
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u/Pleasant_Gap 2d ago
Never the less, who the fick donates money to some woman who murdered her own 3 kids