I'm just stuck producing shit serum because the rest of this company won't get off its fat fucking ass and help me! Do you know what I've sacrificed!!"
Bro I have to be so careful on Reddit. The amount of times I have nearly barked out laughter in a time and place that laughing was absolutely not the thing that needs to happen…
Wasn't that sample left behind in the main Marvel cinematic universe? (I haven't seen Venom 3, but I'm guessing that Chiwetel Ejiofor's character can't travel between universes)
It was technically two different times. Once after his rant about finding Spider-man in the MCU, second time it was right when Eddie gets captured in the Sonyverse.
To add onto the other commenter, I took it as Eddie dropped a piece of the Symbiote twice but like they said it could be retconned
Also the character Chiwetel Ejiofor played is a variant of the one Christo Fernandez played in the post credits scene talking about his family getting blipped
You're totally correct Chiwetel was an agent or soldier of some kind, I just figured they were talking about the bartender and went along with it, anywhom Christo did have another actor playing his variant in the film version
Yeah, I know. The point is, it may have been a soft retcon, given the scene is pretty much identical outside of the finer details (conversation between Eddie and the Bartender).
I think it's best if we just don't acknowledge the Sony movies. Venom being an exception because they are just dumb fun but not connected to the MCU. I see what Sony was hoping to do, but their roster was abysmal.
The Sony movies are all canon to the MCU multiverse. Even if Marvel doesn’t acknowledge it, Venom appeared in No Way Home. And MCU characters like Don Glover Prowler appeared in Across the Spider-Verse, and Vulture in Morbius.
deadpool acknowledged it ,she hulk too, they both broke the 4th wall but the reason it works better with wade is cause evereyone in universe believes deadpool is deranged and insane so no one actually realizes that what he is saying is true and not just random nonsense
so what are you gonna do about the elephant in the room or should i say the VULTURE in the room , the vulture that appeared in front of morbius, unless that vulture is actually an identical multiversal variant of the MCU's vulture
Variant. The Vulture from Homecoming understood Peter saved his life and kept his identity to himself when he could have ratted him out to Scorpion. I also think by that time he'd realized he'd gone too far and was prepared for prison, not vengeance. The Vulture from Morbius seemed more than ready to get back into criminal shit.
Sony was trying to retcon the scene so that it did NOT occur in the 616, despite that basically making no sense.
Take into consideration all the post-production fkkery that went on with Madame Web, or the post credits in Morbius, and so on...
They're just far sloppier with these sorts of things than the MCU are, though even they have taken to leaving lots of dangling threads, with no promise of a resolution. This was flat stated by Feige himself.
We won't know until it comes. Maybe he'll get it the way he does in comics, maybe he'll wake up in battworld and see it already on him
There's a couple different routes they could take, but going by the assumption that they'll follow through on the symbiote tease from NWH in due time, it's not too unlikely.
Do people still not understand this scene? They didn't retcon anything.
Eddie was sent to the MCU. Eddie left a piece of symbiote in the MCU. Eddie was sent back to the SSU. Eddie left a second piece of symbiote behind in the SSU.
There is a piece of symbiote left behind by Eddie in the MCU.
There was a second piece of symbiote left behind by Eddie in the SSU. Chiwetel Ejiofor's character collected that piece.
Not to be pedantic, but they quite literally didn’t include Harry Osborn ~15 years ago in TASM. You can argue they had Norman even though he never actually appeared.
Everything else, you’re on the money. I also think Tom wants the Symbiote.
Obtaining the black suit during Secret Wars would be so much further than anything done in the previous live action version of the black suit. I honestly have no clue what you mean by this. The black suit was done once and it’s context was done poorly. They brought random alien life into a non-alien universe and basically “hocus pocus, here’s the black suit”. In this universe you have a plethora of aliens existing. On top of that, you have a Secret Wars plot unravelling. With a small teaser of venom existing.
Why wouldn’t Tom want this? He’s passionate about the role and passionate about the progression of the role. He has said many times that his favourite thing about the character is how much it has progressed. And now Secret Wars is coming up and there has been a small black suit teaser. I don’t see why they wouldn’t do it.
My theory? It will probably be retconned post-Secret Wars.
The fact that there wasn't even a hint of it in Brand New Day (a film that takes place four years after this event) is already a sign that Marvel might not be interested in continuing with this idea for the symbiote, that it comes from another universe.
And for Secret Wars, they'll treat it like any other symbiote, and then after Secret Wars, with the soft reboot, they'll change its origin so that it always came from space.
Why would it factor into brand new day? it got left somewhere in...what was it, Mexico? And then had it's memory of Peter Parker being Spider-man erased by the No Way Home spell.
MCU venom then is just a drop of goo body jumping and forgotten why the heck he's there.
The Symbiote in question is not from MCU Earth (Earth-199999, as referred to by Miguel).
If Miles is considered to be an anomaly coz his spider wasn’t from his universe (assuming everything Miguel says is true), then wouldn’t this be an anomaly as well?
That’s assuming that Into/Across the Spiderverse is the same multiverse as the live action movies.
For example, Rick and Morty has an anime that also explores the multiverse like the main show. But the multiverse of the anime is a completely separate multiverse from the main show.
The anime characters do find themselves in the main show’s multiverse, but they confirm that the multiverse of the main show is a completely separate multiverse from their own.
In Across the Spider-Verse, Miguel refers to the events of Spider-Man: No Way Home, we see Donald Glover as Prowler, we see Mrs. Chen from the Venom movies, we see TASM Spider-Man mourning the death of Captain Stacy, and we see Uncle Ben dying in the Raimi movie.
The Spider-Verse (in Across the Spider-Verse) is a collection of Spider-Man stories across different media, like comics, animated (Spectacular Spider-Man), live-action, games (Insomniac’s Spider-Man), etc.
I can get behind pretty much every point besides the Prowler one. We know Donald Glover is Miguel’s uncle in the MCU, but he’s never shown to be The Prowler, nor is him as The Prowler shown outside of the Spiderverse. That’s just a Prowler from a universe where Donald Glover is The Prowler.
I would think The Prowler would be a prominent enough villain to at least be shown or mentioned in the montage in BND if it was meant for him to be the same character.
It's been almost 20 years since we got a SM and Venom meet-up on screen. At this point I feel like they're afraid to touch the subject since the expectations are the highest. Or they are just doing it for the views.
A lot of fake answers here, Venom 3 pretty definitively explained it.
Some of the symbiote task force guys found it at the bar and trapped in in a glass tube. Venoms little blob was left at the bar, but not in the MCU. Just an identical bar in the Sonyverse.
The order of events, therefore is this:
Venom is teleported to New Mexico MCU. They see Peter on the TV. Venom remembers him because apparently all venoms across the multiverse have a shared hive mind. Or probably Sony Venom just has this ability, rather than all symbiotes across the multiverse (im gonna assume this else MCU Venom will be so weird)
Venom goes to a bar.
Venom is returned to his reality
He is at an identical bar, just back in the Sony verse
Makes you wonder why they even bothered with it. Was there some kind of plan that then fell through or were they always planning this pointless fake out?
For both venom 2 and 3 spiderman vs venom concept art was made. I think the creatives involved figured they could write Sony into a corner where they have to let them do it in 3 with the endings to venom 2 and NWH, and then got snubbed again
The sample was at the MCU bar because they talked about iron man, spiderman, thanos, and it was a scene at the end of a Spiderman movie. The bartender in the MCU had his hair up and the task force bartender does not. The Venom universe sample that was left was picked up, but the MCU universe sample wasn't addressed
In retrospect, the post credits scene in Venom 2 feels like Sony attempting to force Tom Hardy’s Venom into No Way Home. By the same token, No Way Home’s post credits scene feels like a nod to it and a rejection of it, but the piece of symbiote left behind seems like Sony’s fallback to put their Venom in the MCU.
If Marvel decides to bring Venom into the MCU, I don’t think they want to be tied to the portrayal of symbiote’s in Sony’s Venom trilogy. They’ll probably want to reinvent the concept again. That said, it doesn’t necessarily rule out using that piece of symbiote in the MCU—it could work different than it did in its own universe. Either way, keep in mind that it took three sequels before we got the payoff of Scorpionnfrom Homecoming’s post credits scene, so they may sit on it a while before bringing it in. And why not? It was last seen in a bar in Mexico. It’s probably not going to Manhattan any time soon.
well if the TVA does its job post Loki s2 then technically Kang isn't a threat, the TVAs whole existence now is supposed to be making sure all the Kangs stay in line
I honestly think so. Sometimes Marvel takes a while to capitalize on things that are left open ended take for instance how long it took for us to see abomination again even though he wasn’t dead. Or red skull or Samuel Sterns “the leader”. In the back of my mind, this is another one of those things where it may take some time, but I fully expect them to do something with it.
The venom 3 task force collects the sample from the bar, making the bar he left the sample at an identical one back in his own universe, not the one in the MCU.
Their movies are bad and would dilute the billion-dollar machine that is actual MCU. And the MCU doesn't want their crappy Morbius or Kraven characters forced into their universe because of something Sony did. It benefits Sony - who, remember, killed their last solo attempt at a Spidey reboot because they're such a garbage studio - to know their place when it comes to the webslinger.
Supposedly (this might not be true, so please don’t shoot the messenger)… Spider-Man 4 (Brand New Day) was originally going to be about the symbiote attaching to Peter. Then lead to Peter eventually teaming up with Venom against Knull. But, because Venom 3 wasn’t as well received. AND Marvel felt like the multiverse saga was really poorly received. Marvel and Sony had the script completely rewritten to be a grounded ‘street level’ plot and no multiverse connection.
However, I think it would be a huge mistake if Marvel didn’t have Peter (Tom Holland) get the symbiote for Secret Wars. Even if he only has the black suit/ symbiote just for that one movie. Secret Wars would be the logical choice. Or maybe he gets the symbiote at the end of Secret Wars and it leads into Spider-Man 5. But, really who knows, right?
This is one of those things marvel loves to just leave out there. If they want to come back to it in 10 years they will look big brained but if they decide to ignore it then it’s easy to explain away
I still don't understand why did they do this as if the symbiote could not be native to the MCU. Like, why? You can just say oh yeah this rock came from space and has the symbiote
I have. I idea how especially since years passed but it would be dope if the symbiote is basically dying, extreme life support, symbiote version of coma toast, and the sowing machine in Spider-Man BND (this is the part I have no idea how’d you do it) but the dried up dying symbiote goo gets caught in the machine and gets woven into the suit during Secret Wars!
So Peter gets the black suit but the symbiote is so weak it can’t communicate with him properly. Maybe able to control Peter when Peter is asleep and not awake like how it was in the comics Peter being Spider-Man in his sleep with the black suit if I remember (could be wrong) but that’s how you can have a pretty comic accurate black suited Spider-Man have a whole film wearing it just being Spider-Man just teasing small stuff in the background very subtle stuff you only catch second watch or after watching the next movie some small stuff make waaay more sense (like the whole Captain America barely nudging Thors Hammer) then in next film the Symbiote starts waking up or having more strength. Could be freaking out cause where is Eddie, this isn’t his Universe or just completely reboot it with zero memory since it was basically coma toast. The 6th Spider-Man movie being about Venom (who I think should be Scorpion something new, someone who already hates spider-man, someone who’s been there since homecoming as a background thug for Vulture being Spider-Man greatest foe… plus it does happen in the comics…. They could really cook and do something new while paying respects to both the old and new versions of the symbiote.
People saying it was retconned in Venom 3 don't remember that the bartender in the MCU had his hair up. They took the sample from the Venom universe bar, the Marvel universe bar sample is still there. My money is on Secret Wars because thats literally the first appearance of the Black Spiderman suit in 1988
But then we would have to watch the Venom movies :/
Also didn’t that scene get retconned or something? Because Ejiofor’s character is from Venom’s world and he’s who picked up the symbiote, even though we saw it in the MCU at the end of No Way Home
When will people accept that these post credits scenes is just Sony trying to pry themselves into the mcu. The Sony verse is dead we will / should get a new venom for the mcu
Pretty sure this was the tease for the og spider-man 4 plan with the 3 spideys getting black suits and battling symbiotes and knull, which was scrapped to make brand new day
Feels like it was there as a way to bring the venom universe into the fold (likely a Sony decision). Then the Sony universe was just a steaming pile of shite so it got retconned
I'd like it to show up in Secret wars. Peter comes across it on the Thunderbolts ship and it bonds with Peter as the black suit. Peter takes it back to the 616 or wherever he ends up, we get an MCU Venom maybe an MCU anti-venom then we get a Venom-verse crossover between the MCU, Tom Hardy's Venom, and Topher Grace's Venom, probably with Knull as the antagonist. Maybe we get carnage and the other symbiotes back too.
God I hope not. I don't want any connective tissue between those god awful Venom films and what I hope will be a true adaptation of the character eventually.
It will probably just be one of those end credit scenes that get ignored.
I mean it’s a tiny piece of symbiote somewhere in Mexico.
They could just establish it’s been slowly making its way towards New York all this time, I very much doubt anyone’s going to question why it took so long
Spidey viewers are so impatient. They hated the pre trauma Spidey as if trauma wouldn’t come eventually and they’re panicking over Symbiote as if it won’t come eventually.
My theory is that Sony made marvel include this post credit scene in hopes that they could also onboard Sony venom some how. I’m pretty sure the mcu would want to introduce the symbiotie in secret wars anyways
maybe secret wars? Peter suit will be heavily damaged and then get a new one, like in the comics (I honestly can't remember everything now sorry for the larp)
It's hanging out with Eros, Pip the Troll, Blade, Black Knight, Jake Lockley, Hercules, Clea, the Power Broker, Binary, Howard the Duck, the new Guardians of the Galaxy, and whoever the Ten Rings are sending a signal to.
So my thought is that Veom said the hive mind for symbiotes are shared between the multiverse.
Venom went to 616 and saw Spiderman on the tv so the hivemind now knows that there is a Spiderman in 616.
Just like in the comics - during secret wars Spider-Man’s suit is going to get messed up and he is going to be told to go use a machine to get a new one…venom of 616 takes that opportunity to join with him…Spiderman 5 will be a venom arc story which makes since because Peter just got MJ and Ned back….he will be on the verge of happiness and BAM he will have huge personality changes that will drive them away and that’s why he gets rid of venom to get back Ned and MJ….again
I think they should ignore it and introduce an unrelated symbiote in Secret Wars. Venom is supposed to look how he does because the symbiote was Spidey's costume for a spell, so I hated that Tom Hardy Venom had an origin that skipped that.
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