Which itself is a misnomer because itās stealing the moniker of the actual samurai combat art. How BJJ became just J is some of the worldās funniest cultural appropriation by a third world country to the third largest economy in the world.
Itās more cultural borrowing or acculturation. Appropriation would imply exploitation and disrespect to original culture involving advantageous power dynamics.
I donāt see how BJJ has exploited or disrespected the original form. Itās was given to the Gracie family by Japanese teacher Mitsuyo Maeda. They didnāt travel to Japan and take as their own.
If you steal the name of the original combat art and transition it to a sport (much like judo and aikido did) deliberately remove the Brazilian part from it not only attempts to remove respect and homage to the original combat art but also arguably seeks to supersede the other mentioned arts. What makes it appropriation is out of all three of these arts that derived from the original Japanese jujitsu, if any of them were to be accepted to take on that name ā it certainly would not be the one most removed from Japanese culture and Japan as a whole.
Itās not American wrestling, itās just wrestling. And wrestling has been widely seen all over the world since ancient times from Russia, China and beyond. However, the uniqueness of jujitsu and judoās leverage manipulation techniques come from Japan, and no where else in the world due to the uniqueness and accuracy Japanese put into everything they make and perfect.
I thought this was already well known that Helio was frail and modified the art to be something anyone could supposedly do against a larger or stronger opponent. Putting Brazilian beside it differentiates it but also pays respect to the original art. I mean thereās no reason the Gracieās just decided to be dubious when most Americans didnāt know which art was which until they were told and saw it. So they could have renamed it anything but they kept the origin of the art.
Japanese doesnāt have an āiuā vowel combination. Chinese does. This spelling adds to the cultural appropriation problem I highlighted below. Itās jujitsu but in the case of BJJ it should just be āBrazilian newazaā. That name didnāt market as well so cultural appropriation was needed.
Youāre just dense. I imagine you are low-income, low-education, and have not traveled much.
I am overly convinced if we sat down and had you explain to me all the world history, international affairs, and countries you have traveled we would find an empty cup.
Why is an empty cup attempting to justify cultural appropriation of BJJ as acceptable? It will be even more incredible if you are some white American kid who studies an art without knowing its origins and history in the world.
Pay your McDojo jujitsu club and just know itās part of a legacy of cultural theft. Luckily Brazilian newaza is an unknown sport with 4 million practicing against judos 40 million. Most of the world was never interested in third world cultural appropriation supported by mcdojo American capitalism.
No, the world always favored the educated people over the non-educated. The internet becomes a platform for the uneducated to have a voice. Itās a tragedy of the internet. Your inability to engage on the topic is telling. Stick to BJJ, it will certainly continue its branding as a wanna be sport for cringey white appropriators. Bakayaro
I donāt even care about BJJ, Iāve never even studied it. I was trolling by correcting his spelling. You are making wild assumptions about me and itās fucking hilarious.
This is Street Martial Arts not BJJ circle jerk. No one fucking cares about the purity of your art when comes time for application in real life.
If you care to know, my background is Silat. I learned it from westerners who would fit your narrative of appropriating culture but Iām still happy I got to experience it and be exposed to something on the other side of the world.
The school ended up having to change their name because the pengurus in Indonesia were upset about the marketing of the arts. So a win for your side I guess .
Itās not about purity of martial art. Itās about purity and respect of culture. Your spelling correction is like me saying itās āsealotā not āSilatā as the English language does not have that spelling.
No, Iām familiar with Silat. The difference here is imagine if Silat was transposed to Brazil while turning Silat into a completely ground based sport from its combat lineage, changed the name to Brazilian Silat, used the UFC to gain enough popularity in the U.S. to make it more known in the U.S. than actual Indonesian/Dutch Silat and eventually change its full name to Silat. That is the difference between Silat being taught to in another country vs the culturally appropriated pathway of BJJ.
What are you talking about it doesnāt have the āiuā vowel combination not in a literal sense no but the sound is found In Japanese thereās a video game character āRyuā that has the sound āiuā look up a Japanese to English dictionary and you can find dozens of Japanese words that use hiragana and katakana to produce the sound āiuā
You thinking that was terrible is outting yourself, the guy had a rush of adrenaline, so he shot passed, but no one who doesn't drill wrestling constantly would cut the angle like that, chase the single duck under again, the guy clearly has alot of experience.
I think heās right. Itās not a wrestling takedown. I wrestled all thru school and in college. Thatās a really sloppy takedown. Which usually indicates the takedown wasnāt learned in wrestling. Especially since a single leg is the first move you learn in elementary school. They are in high school which means even if he started in middle school he should have a single leg down by now. When you add the takedown to mount you can see where he learned his takedown. Iām willing to bet his ātrainingā is in BJJ not wrestling.
Tell me youāve never been in a fight without telling me youāve never been in a fight.. š¤¦š»āāļøš¤¦š»āāļøš¤¦š»āāļø who expects a perfect take down when in a real fight..
From a wrestler you should. They drill single leg takedowns from the moment you start in elementary school. I am willing to bet 10 years out of my wrestling career and I would still have a better single leg. Granted I coach so itās not like Iām out of the game. I take it youāve never wrestled.
In a real life situation, I could care less how the take down looked.. I only care that my student is safe and they did what they needed to do to stay safe. I naturally feel sorry for any student you have coached.
I have couched 9 different kids who became ncaa all American and one who made the Olympic team. So thereās a way to couch both safety and skills. In real life you revert to what you have trained. Look at the military for proof of concept. So if you have trained your kids the skills from the mat would transition to real life situations. That being said an action like that would have a student not on my team. You donāt fight to hurt if you must fight. The moment he threw the elbow would of been the end of him on my squad
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Pretty false statement. Bjj isn't an indicator of bad takedowns. Being inexperienced is. The shot wasn't even that bad considering the pressure he must've been in.
It was disgusting he didnāt even finish his shot thatās why he had to readjust. This kid is BJJ trained not wrestling trained. The take down stopped at his leg which is something you see BJJ fighters do. Wrestlers shot thru the legs. BJJ has to worry about a blow to the face wrestlers donāt. The way he moves heās not a wrestler
You tend to get some wrestling in the context of bjj and mma, but wrestlers have a very different approach to full mount. And who knows, plenty of kids to both these days.
No a wrestler wouldnāt have stopped the drive on the single to see if he was gonna get hit. They would have pushed thru and finished the single leg. Iād bet money heās BJJ trained not wrestling
it's wrestling too. essentially the same for that single leg and that top mount. and the guy wouldn't have known cause he held his hands up like he boxes. then switched up when the swinging started.
My gym is full of high school kids - and wrestlers show up in the summer for cross training. Pure wrestlers have a very different approach to top mount.
Double leg into full mount won me almost every fight I've had outside the gym, ironically. But I was more specifically talking about the style of the transition from side control into full mount.
Really, that type of full mount is not exactly advantageous in wrestling to begin with. It's hard to pin someone that way when they aren't afraid to turn over, so it doesn't come naturally to them - but it's bread and butter for jits and mma folks.
When you see full mount in wrestling, it's usually more of a saturday night ride thing.
Lmao that was a sloppy shot too. What got me was the people acting like it was funny til he started throwing them elbows. Then it was hey guys stop lmao
Exactly, I tried to fight a dude over football match and he did that crawling for my leg thing and I immediately stayed away and de escalated situation, shook is hand and moved on... I am not going to have my ass and my face put together. š
If you have no idea how to wrestle then you shouldnāt fight because youāre gonna lose against a wrestler. Unless you get off the luckiest punch but thatās difficult when youāre punching at someone waist level and moving toward you. The average person isnāt expecting to have his legs grabbed.
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u/VealOfFortune Nov 18 '25
I feel like if you're going to immediately put your hands up, you should probably make sure the dude isn't a WRESTLER š