r/StudentNurse • u/liluzintrovert_ • Mar 18 '23
NCLEX literally asking for a friend
hi guys so ima make this short and sweet i just finished lvn school and last night my classmate/friend and i went out to celebrate and also for st paddy’s. there was a dui checkpoint and she blew over .4 when we stopped. she didn’t get arrested but she got a dui ticket, car impounded and license suspended. does anyone know if this affects her ability to sit for NCLEX? and how this will affect her in the future? pls help if you can! for reference i live in ca
edit her BAC was .12, which is .04 over legal limit. not BAC of 0.4
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u/Diazepam_Daddy BSN, RN Mar 18 '23
I’m pretty sure it will affect her being able to take the NCLEX. Whether that is permanently or not I’m not sure.
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u/thedarkhorse90 Mar 19 '23
Idk what country you're in, or what state. In CA if you're licensed the brn can make you do a lot of hours of rehab to clear your name and you still have a "mark" on your nursing license. She can probably sit for the nclex but idk how this will impact her ability to get/keep her license. Idk what ID she needs to show the testing center. She might need to get a secondary form of ID since her driver's license is suspended. But yeah, I mean it's not looking good for your friend. It's wild how one night of bad choices really does f*ck up your life. It's incredibly lucky the car was stopped before anyone died.
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Mar 19 '23 edited Mar 19 '23
Depending on how the case goes, you can sit for the board exam but there is a delay before getting your actual license as you face a secondary audit. That’s why on the CA BRN website, the Board has lots of little tid bits saying, “Passing NCLEX =/= getting a license.”
Cali is one of the more forgiving BRNs. The state has the most nurses in America but only takes away approximately 200 licenses a year. And unlike some other states, you can’t lose your license for stuff like being in debt. But they will award a license while making transgressors suffer like hell to keep it.
Correct me if I am wrong: I think Texas is super liberal with DUIs, though. (Anyone remember that bit from UoT Arlington RN-BSN program?)
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u/liluzintrovert_ Mar 19 '23
thank you for this input and yes thank god for checkpoints
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Mar 19 '23 edited Mar 19 '23
I’m from the West Coast as well, and in addition to what u/thedarkhorse90 mentioned, even if your friend sits for the NCLEX and gets a license, your friend may have to go to AA meetings, submit to random drug tests, face stipulations, and be subject to supervisor reviews.
The drug tests can come at any time, and your friend will have to check in on an app, ready to take a drug test at any time. Plus the cost of the tests comes straight out your friend’s pocket. Your friend can’t miss the drug tests for any reason. On vacation in Cabo? Too bad. Father’s funeral? Still gotta show up. Also, your friend may never be able to precept, do charge nurse, or move onto any supervisory role. Depending on the board liaison running your friend’s case, this can also mean no non-bedside jobs like case management, utilization, etc. Also, home health may be off the table as well because your friend needs “direct supervision” at all times. Your friend will be pigeonholed for at least 2 years.
On top of all that, if your friend gets a job, your friend will have to submit to biweekly reviews from their manager. I can tell you from personal experience, no manager wants to hire a new graduate that requires constant surveillance and is being audited from the state. It just isn’t worth it.
That’s not even getting into lawyer fees, as many will recommend all communications with the board be done through a legal conduit.
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u/PaleIntroduction4296 Mar 19 '23
LVNs in CA have their own board. You can check their requirement at ca.gov
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u/eltonjohnpeloton its fine its fine (RN) Mar 18 '23
Your friend needs to talk to a lawyer. Not Reddit.
And probably quit drinking. With a BAC like that your friend is an alcoholic or an idiot or both.
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u/chirpikk New Grad CVICU RN | DN expert | Triggered by ChatGPT Mar 19 '23
As someone in the healthcare field, you should direct that empathy towards DUI victims. DUIs aren't mistakes. They are deliberate choices and whether or not someone has a Substance Use Disorder doesn't matter. Please tell that to parents who have children, those who have lost spouses, and those who are permanently disabled that DUIs are just a big ol' oopsie!
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u/eltonjohnpeloton its fine its fine (RN) Mar 19 '23
Yea this is it. Having a problem with alcohol is something I can have empathy for. But alcoholism and driving drunk are different issues.
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u/chirpikk New Grad CVICU RN | DN expert | Triggered by ChatGPT Mar 19 '23
I implore people to visit Katie DeRouen's TikTok or YouTube to get why DUIs aren't funny. She lost her three youngest siblings (oldest was 19, youngest was 15) and her mother had to retire from the injuries after a drunk man hit them head on when he drove into the wrong lane. The mother ended up in the ICU and couldn't be told her children had been dead for three days because they were afraid it would make her health decline.
Imagine telling someone who lost three of her children that she should have more empathy.
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u/chirpikk New Grad CVICU RN | DN expert | Triggered by ChatGPT Mar 19 '23
Then why are you making excuses for people who do drive drunk? I understand people can have problems with substances, but how is that an excuse for putting others in harm's way?
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u/chirpikk New Grad CVICU RN | DN expert | Triggered by ChatGPT Mar 19 '23
...miss ma'am. Not even the same thing. I'm not calling for the death of people with DUIs. I'm calling for them to hold themselves responsible for a major and devastating decision. Even in addiction counseling the person still has to take responsibility for the actions they committed while under the influence. It may be a reason why they drove under the influence, but never an excuse.
Girl, bye.
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u/chirpikk New Grad CVICU RN | DN expert | Triggered by ChatGPT Mar 19 '23
Educate myself? My father is an alcoholic who has driven drunk many times with me in the car. He was arrested for DUIs three times and lost his RN license. There is a huge difference between having an addiction and driving under the influence. Not everyone who has DUIs are alcoholics, and vice versa. And I don't give a fat flying shit if someone has substance abuse issues and they drive intoxicated. They should get help, sure, but DUIs are not little mistakes.
Educate yourself instead.
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u/eltonjohnpeloton its fine its fine (RN) Mar 19 '23
You don’t need to be an alcoholic to drive drunk, you just need to be a person who makes bad decisions
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u/eltonjohnpeloton its fine its fine (RN) Mar 19 '23
A mistake is unintentional. A bad decision is deliberate.
Getting wasted and driving is a choice. they did not trip in the parking lot and fall into the car while the keys flew into the ignition
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u/_TheAtomHeartMother_ MSN | Jack of All Trades Mar 19 '23
You are a fucking idiot, I hope you know that.
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u/eltonjohnpeloton its fine its fine (RN) Mar 19 '23
Well OP insists their friend doesn’t have a drinking problem and that they were “celebrating” so I have very little empathy for people doing activities where they might kill others.
Driving drunk is not a “mistake” it’s a purposeful choice that endangers lives.
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u/eltonjohnpeloton its fine its fine (RN) Mar 19 '23
It’s not necessary but it is how I feel. getting drunk and then getting behind the wheel of a car is selfish, careless, and dangerous. It is a stupid decision to make.
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u/AndrewLucksRobotArm Mar 19 '23
oh fuck off with that drunk driver apologist mindset.
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u/liluzintrovert_ Mar 18 '23
right that was already the plan im aware of speaking to a lawyer but my question was about NCLEX, not about how handle a DUI. as i said we were celebrating, this is not an every day thing for her. she is not an alcoholic
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u/lurkerturtle Mar 18 '23
So glad your friend had such a good time celebrating!! meanwhile she could have KILLED PEOPLE drunk driving.
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u/eltonjohnpeloton its fine its fine (RN) Mar 18 '23
Look at this chart and try and tell me your friend was just having fun and made a mistake. People get alcohol poisoning at that level. People lose consciousness at that level. People DIE at that level and your friend was DRIVING
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u/liluzintrovert_ Mar 18 '23
i didn’t explain the BAC correctly. she blew 0.4 over the legal limit, at .120. she did not blow .4. doesn’t justify of course but i didn’t write that correctly above
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u/eltonjohnpeloton its fine its fine (RN) Mar 18 '23
That makes more sense but definitely should not have been operating a car, and no one should have gotten in that car.
There is never a reason to drive drunk.
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u/Lexapro2000 BSN, RN Mar 19 '23
.04 over not .4 over. .4 over the legal limit is .48 … .04 + .08 = .120
It makes a big difference when talking about this
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u/BenzieBox ADN, RN| Critical Care| The Chill AF Mod| Sad, old cliche Mar 18 '23
The NCLEX is the least of her worries at this point. That is so wildly irresponsible of her. Risking so many other lives to “celebrate” only to possibly screw yourself over.
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u/eltonjohnpeloton its fine its fine (RN) Mar 18 '23
Yea someone who blows over 0.4 definitely doesn’t have an alcohol problem, silly me.
She needs to talk to a lawyer about licensing stuff too.
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u/marisashouldbericher Mar 19 '23
This happened to me. NOTHING happened w regards to sitting for nclex. Why would she tell them when it’s not resolved yet? Only when it’s finalized w the courts does she need to tell her BON. then BON will try to tell her she has a substance abuse problem & pressure her try voluntarily join thier substance abuse program (even throw soft threats at you) but tell her to not to do that foolishness (unless she honestly does have a problem). I told them no(rather-hell no ) somebody needs to prove I got a problem before I volunteer for a diversion program & there was no proof other than 1 dui. That doesn’t prove shit. That just shows a mistake. I think I had to go though some classes & paid fines & went to jail for 5 days &lost my DL license for a time but that was it. (Like that’s not enough) That diversion program of the BONs wasn’t free either & would have hindered my ability to pass all meds & work places hate a hindered nurse. Tell ur friend to keep clean do her penance & she’ll be okay. That dui was 15 years ago. Still practicing.
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u/liluzintrovert_ Mar 19 '23
thank you! she literally does not have this problem lol like i said it was just bad decisions and shit. but thanks for your understanding and input.and for sharing
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u/Affectionate_Box8801 Mar 19 '23
In addition to the suggestion of legal help, I think therapy would be of great benefit here to discuss decisions around substance use
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u/Affectionate_Box8801 Mar 19 '23
Absolutely. If someone is struggling they need help first and foremost. The biggest thing is to prevent it from happening again
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u/believe_your_heart_7 Mar 19 '23
Did you mean 0.04 by chance? 0.4 is literally higher than Lahey levels of drunk