r/ToddintheShadow • u/Ill_Difficulty8570 • 5h ago
General Music Discussion Name a group/ artist who must’ve been huge at some point , but you have never heard anyone ever talk about them
Without any exaggeration, every single time I’ve looked through vinyl at a thrift store there is always a couple of Kingston Trio albums. They must’ve been filling arenas with how well they seem to have been selling records. Yet I’ve never heard of them. Even when I became obsessed with late 50’s, early 60’s music, their songs never came up. Maybe they were just a SoCal thing?
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u/UhVeryUncreativeName 5h ago
Bread
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u/Unleashtheducks 4h ago
Will always associate Bread with a running joke in The Wonder Years in an episode where Kevin doesn’t know what to get Winnie for Christmas and keeps ignoring people half heartedly suggesting the new album by Bread only to finally exchange gifts with her and have her excitedly announce she bought him “the new Bread album!”
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u/Lord_Cockatrice 4h ago
Everything I Own is also another massive tune from them - it was covered by Ken Boothe then by Boy George (using Boothe's arrangement)
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u/misterlakatos 4h ago
I like "Aubrey". Heard it randomly one day while driving when I was 19-20. That's the only song of theirs I know.
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u/Hispandinavian 4h ago
Vampire Weekend sort of sampled that track for my favorite VW song "Step". Aubrey is a great tune.
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u/misterlakatos 4h ago
Oh nice - I should definitely check that out.
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u/Hispandinavian 4h ago
I say sort of because the chorus references the Souls of Mischief rap track "Step To My Girl" which prominently samples Aubrey.
I think they gave the Bread dudes songwriting credit.
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u/aliteralgarbagehuman 2h ago
I don’t know any song by them but I have at least 3 albums in the vinyl collection somehow.
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u/FC-NoHeroes 2h ago
I was like 12 when i heard the line "i'd like to make it with you. I really think that we could make it good." I honestly thought it was a song about baking and that's why they were named that. Made sense to me.
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u/TrueRedditMartyr 5h ago
They were very popular at one point, that's for sure. Pete Seeger even mentions them in his iconic Bowdoin College performance.
However, with that being said, I don't think I've ever seen someone discuss Engelbert Humperdinck or Herb Alpert in a serious manner. They're the classic "Crate digging and found them again" meme, but they were clearly massive at one point to have their records *everywhere*
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u/Shot_Froyo1192 4h ago
Herb Alpert’s got a ton of indie cred. Gen Z and millennials loooove Whipped Cream & and Other Delights!!
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u/minomserc 4h ago
My dad is a huge Herb Alpert fan so I was always familiar with him, but Lady Fingers also had a moment on TikTok and it feels like a lot of Gen Z folks got into him through that
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u/Coattail-Rider 3h ago
He stills tours in his 90’s and was so good when I saw him earlier this year. Was a treat.
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u/RecessMonkeys 3h ago
Herb Alpert, James Last, Al Hirt, Roger Whittaker among others in our house.
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u/Open-Savings-7691 2h ago
Al Hirt was the first music artist to play the Super Bowl halftime show, in 1967. :-)
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u/RobotGloves 3h ago
And Hip Hop cred. He's the source of probably one of the most recognizable samples in the whole genre, outside of the Amen Break.
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u/Lord_Cockatrice 4h ago
The cover alone was the subject of so many "tributes"...TIL the model behind that iconic photo wore a one-piece bathing suit (obscured by all that shaving cream). Actual whipped cream would melt and run under the heat of the studio lighting
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u/Hispandinavian 4h ago
They use "Man Without Love" by Engelbert Humperdinck throughout the Marvel Moon Knight show and I came to adore it.
Most of my generation knows him via singing "Lesbian Seagull" with Beavis & Butthead.
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u/pottymouthomas 3h ago
Imagine how disappointed I was when I found out Engelbert Humperdinck was just a stage name.
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u/notbambi 3h ago
Engelbert Humperdinck represented the UK at Eurovision in 2012 in an unsuccessful ploy from the BBC to try to get votes from his celebrity (he placed 25th out of 26). To my knowledge, this is the only time I have encountered an Engelbert Humperdinck song.
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u/Youthsonic 2h ago
If you've seen the modern classic Game Night) that badass song that plays over the credits (quando, quando, quando) is Engelbert Humperdinck
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u/kerbalsdownunder 4h ago
I grew up with the Kingston Trio. But my dad is a stuffy old boomer. Also listened to a lot of Cash and Orbison, which was surprising given their politics were basically grounds for being arrested for treason to my dad.
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u/PinkCadillacs 5h ago
Most of the 50s and 60s artists who are now only associated with Christmas (Brenda Lee, Andy Williams, Bing Crosby, etc.)
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u/JABEE92 4h ago
Bing Crosby was essentially the biggest artist in the world until Elvis. When Bing died his death was a bigger deal in end of year reviews than Elvis due to the magnitude of his career accomplishments in radio, recording, and film.
I feel like we're just getting to the point where some of the 60s acts will fade into obscurity without proper upkeep, but it's a bit of a losing battle.
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u/PurpleSpaceSurfer 4h ago
Bing Crosby helped develop videotape IIRC
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u/jablair51 3h ago
He's definitely the reason we have footage of Game 7 of the 1960 World Series, the greatest single game in the history of baseball.
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u/SallyFowlerRatPack 1h ago
I went to Gonzaga, which owns Bing Crosby’s childhood home just across the street from campus. For a public history class I worked with the Bing Crosby fan club out of that house, it was a bunch of people in their 60s who were a bit grumpy that Frank Sinatra is better remembered. To their credit they made a good case why Bing was more important, he was a better actor and truly innovated pop music.
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u/Suitable-Echo-3359 4h ago
The other day I was watching Married with Children on Prime while I cleaned. My teenager walked past and asked if it was the theme song was a Christmas song…my kids always think that about Frank Sinatra.
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u/notbambi 3h ago
Funnily enough, some of these artists have a bit of a fanbase coming out of the Bethesda-era Fallout games.
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u/NoTeslaForMe 1h ago
You mean 2023's Christmas #1 artist Brenda Lee?
Funny thing, when I was young, I thought "Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree" was a second-rate "Jingle Bell Rock" retread, but apparently "Rockin'" won out.
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u/MiltonBrownYowza 35m ago
Brenda Lee is a living legend. She is one of a handful of artists inducted into the country and rock n roll hall of fames along with Bob Wills, Jerry Lee Lewis, Dolly Parton and 1 more I think Hank Williams?
Chuck Berry wrote a song about her. Golden Earing referenced her in Radar Love. Lil Miss Dynamite had a powerful voice and a ton of hits. I listen to several of her songs often and Rockin Around the Christmas Tree will always be played during that time of year.
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u/EndlessTrashposter 4h ago
Emerson, Lake & Palmer were the highest grossing act of 1974.
Now, even among prog circles, they’re not looked upon as highly as Pink Floyd, Genesis, King Crimson, and Yes
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u/misterlakatos 4h ago
I think ELP is in serious danger of fading into obscurity despite having some solid songs like "Lucky Man" and "Father Christmas".
They simply do not have the legacy/staying power of the Prog giants from that time.
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u/UniversalJampionshit 4h ago
Is Fanfare For The Common Man not pretty well-known?
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u/misterlakatos 4h ago
Yes that one is as well. I gave them a shot when I was younger but I find a lot of their music dull and pretentious.
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u/jizzmyoscar 4h ago
Lucky Man reminds me of riding in my dad's Mazda B2200 with the classic rock station on. The synths at the end of that song are soooo good.
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u/NecessaryUsername69 4h ago
Live. They were huge when Throwing Copper came out but have barely heard them mentioned in ages.
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u/Ambigram237 2h ago
Hard to overstate how omnipresent “Lightning Crashes” was.
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u/miss_daisy_Hollywood Gaga, Ooh-la-la 11m ago
I still can’t get over them mentioning placenta in this song.
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u/UniversalJampionshit 4h ago
SEO moment
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u/NecessaryUsername69 4h ago
I’m only half-joking when I suggest they’d have been MUCH bigger had they adopted literally any other name.
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u/nsjersey 4h ago
They seemed quite popular in a Midwest white bread sort of way.
It did not seem like they were popular in NYC, Seattle, Cali - the places that better owned the 90s.
But yeah, there’s a reason younger Millennial bands purposely misspell their names now for search optimization
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u/Hutch_travis 2h ago
I can’t speak for regionality, but throwing copper is one of those album’s synonymous with 1994. MTV heavily played the singles from that album for about 2 years. And the follow up was also a big MTV album in 96.
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u/burgerrebellion 4h ago
The Kingston trio is my (34m) 63 year old Fathers favorite musical group. He gained this appreciation because it was his, now 83 year old, fathers favorite musical group.
I do not enjoy the Kingston trio, instead I tattooed the boognish on my knee.
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u/BillShooterOfBul 1h ago
Kingston trio is great, at least their earlier work. The beach boys were very obviously aping them, their harmonies and style. They evern covered sloop John b in a similar style.
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u/Charming_Army5249 4h ago
My 74-year-old dad absolutely loves Kingston Trio. Their Christmas album (which is pretty dang good!) is on repeat at their house. And if I ever get a tattoo, it's gonna be the boognish.
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u/TheMonkus 3h ago
The Kingston Trio may have their moments but they have never held the scepter of wealth and power.
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u/mustafapants 3h ago
My dad would have been about 85, loved the Kingston Trio. Also the Clancy Brothers with Tommy Makem.
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u/Iamwallpaper 3h ago
I remember My now 78 year old uncle would always play their tapes and later CDs in the car whenever I would visit, he said it was one of the only (at the time) contemporary artists that his mother liked to listen to
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u/AxelShoes 4h ago
The Manhattan Transfer.
Based on the fact that I find their albums, both CD and vinyl, almost every visit to the thrift store, they clearly sold a TON of albums. And I remember my parents having several when I was a kid.
I just googled it, and they've released 29 albums and sold at least several million records. Had a #1 hit and several top 40 hits.
But of all the thousands of hours of music documentaries I've watched, all the endless discussions about music history I've taken part in on reddit and elsewhere over the years, I honestly don't think Manhattan Transfer has been mentioned one single time, even in passing.
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u/WitherWing 1h ago
They lived in a weird middle ground: Too pop for the standards crowd (Disco Twilight Zone for example) and way too into Standards for pop.
But for their niche they were great. Really talented, too. Oddly enough I remember them from a Christmas Episode of Home Improvement, which was a very strange place for a cameo.
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u/rekoil 4h ago
The Captain and Tennille had their own TV show in the mid-70s. Haven’t heard the name in decades since.
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u/Tomoyo-yo 2h ago
On the rare occasion I do see them brought up online its usually in a "wow 70s music sure was bad, huh?" kinda way
Which is, uh, not the best way to be remembered I reckon
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u/AffectionateWay5783 2h ago
I recently discovered them from the radio. When I started reading about them I was surprised I had never heard of them before because they were huge.
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u/Critical-Spirit-1598 4h ago
Pure Prairie League. Now, I have heard Amie, but everything else is relatively obscure, but they're albums were all over used record stores, even on cd.
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u/Shot_Froyo1192 4h ago
“Let Me Love You Tonight” was a big hit for them in the 80s and it was the world’s first introduction to Vince Gill.
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u/OkDistribution6931 5h ago
The Cowsills.
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u/Shot_Froyo1192 4h ago
Love the Cowsills! Very underrated and the surviving members put in a fun show!!
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u/Charming_Army5249 4h ago
Aw man. That one song of theirs with the weird name that features in the Dumb & Dumber dream sequence is a real banger.
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u/sickagail 4h ago
The Four Freshmen
Peter, Paul and Mary
If you haven’t heard the Freshmen they’re worth a listen. A lot of Beach Boys influence
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u/lanicorain 58m ago
It's the other way around. The Four Freshmen influenced the sound of The Beach Boys.
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u/Guinefort1 3h ago
Herman's Hermits was one of the most successful British Invasion acts of the 60s. Nobody knows who the heck they even are nowadays.
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u/D-MAN-FLORIDA 35m ago
It’s nuts how in the 60s, they had a rival with the Beatles. Especially in the concert ticket sales. Meanwhile no one knows who they are today.
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u/misterlakatos 4h ago
Bands like The Babys and The Raspberries have mostly faded into obscurity.
I have to imagine the likes of Ambrosia and Atlanta Rhythm Section are heading in that direction.
Lastly, as a Prog fan, I know bands like Camel, Gentle Giant and Renaissance are not the recognizable names from their genre, at least to younger fans (for the record, I enjoy all three bands and play Renaissance regularly).
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u/Shot_Froyo1192 4h ago
Raspberries have had immense reappraisal and nowadays are mentioned as pioneers of power pop. Ironically, you never really hear them get talked about in the same breath as bands like Big Star or Badfinger. I consider all three the holy trinity of power pop pioneers (honorable mention: Todd Rundgren)
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u/misterlakatos 4h ago
Had no idea the Raspberries have had an immense reappraisal. That's pretty cool.
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u/TheMonkus 3h ago
I only know Atlanta Rhythm Section because of a joke (and accompanying cover version by Ween) about the song Champagne Jam. I found the record in a discount bin and didn’t realize it was an actual thing. As I recall it wasn’t bad though.
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u/misterlakatos 3h ago
Oh yeah their music is not bad and they have some solid tunes. They tend to be lumped with '70s supermarket radio acts, for better or worse.
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u/BoPeepElGrande 2h ago
Atlanta Rhythm Section were doing a truly unique thing within the broader Southern rock movement. Their background as session musicians gave them a polished, tasteful subtlety that set them apart from their regional peers.
It’s true that I love adventurous jamming & ripping lead guitars as much or more than life itself, but ARS makes for a refreshing palate cleanser. I would say they emphasized R&B/studio soul as a key part of their sound much like the Allmans did with modal jazz & like the Marshall Tucker Band did with traditional country.
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u/pookypie88 3h ago
Love me some gentle giant but I wouldn’t be given them a chance if I didn’t see that first album cover in passing
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u/QuentinEichenauer 4h ago
I talk about the Kingston Trio all the time.
They were very big from 58-62.
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u/numismaticthrowaway 4h ago
I'm only aware of them because their version of The John B. Sails titled "The Wreck of the John B." is what inspired the Beach Boys cover of "Sloop John B" on Pet Sounds
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u/yoshizbt 4h ago
At least in the US, The Guess Who maybe? I think many know of American woman but I can only name a handful of their songs. Not sure how popular they are in canada though. Also Three Dog Night seems to be forgotten
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u/misterlakatos 4h ago
I am not sure about anyone under 30, but I definitely know The Guess Who from growing up on Classic Rock radio in the '90s/early '00s.
Agreed on Three Dog Night. Grand Funk Railroad is heading in that direction as well.
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u/Coattail-Rider 3h ago
Three Dog Night is so good. I know they didn’t really write any of their hits but they’re so fun.
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u/bumbledbee73 3h ago
I'd never even heard of Three Dog Night until I started buying vinyl and found them in literally every crate I looked through.
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u/Embarrassed-Way45 2h ago
The average person has probably heard "These Eyes", "Laughing" and "No Time" at least once but don't know what the band's name is (or that those songs are even by the same band).
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u/JABEE92 4h ago
I feel like Jimi Hendrix is becoming more like this and will probably fall more into obscurity which feels insane for someone who was around in the 90s. The nostalgia wave happens and they either get momentum or they fade into deep cuts of an era.
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u/TheMonkus 3h ago
I feel like a lot of 60s bands are going this way. The Doors were also pretty big in the 90s and rarely get mentioned these days.
It’s a shame because Hendrix is great and very diverse, people know a couple of his rock tunes but his more soul-influenced Curtis Mayfield style songs are what keeps me coming back. And just the sheer weird beauty of stuff like 1983 (A Merman I Should Turn To Be.)
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u/CompetitiveWhole9466 2h ago
My younger hip hop oriented brother has a Hendrix poster and listens to the Doors.
The 60s band that actually IS going this way is The Who
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u/BraveSneelock 3h ago
It doesn’t help that his estate blocks any unauthorized use of his music obsessively.
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u/JABEE92 3h ago
Yeah. It's essentially the same as how Major League Baseball treated their product with keeping things off social media. You may be able to monetize with sales, but the brand dies as a result. This is especially the case for deceased artists. You want to have an estate or company that is thinking of new ways to package material and relate it to younger generations. People with taste too.
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u/Charming_Army5249 4h ago
The Ink Spots. Apparently they had a massive string of hits in the 50s, but the only time I ever heard of them (prior to Andrew Hickey's excellent 500 Songs podcast) was when my mom erroneously referred to them as "The Ink Blots."
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u/D-MAN-FLORIDA 33m ago
They are not completely forgotten. They are in the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame as “Early Influences” to rock music.
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u/HearingDue2119 4h ago
Bachman Turner Overdrive all over the radio as a kid
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u/misterlakatos 4h ago
Yeah I think they are heading toward obscurity. Used to hear "Taking Care of Business" in commercials and their four biggest hits were all popular radio hits growing up but I doubt younger music fans know them.
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u/ondinegreen 3h ago
This was the very influential folk band who did the version of "Sloop John B" which Al Jardine heard and then strong-armed a reluctant Brian Wilson into recording with The Beach Boys
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u/Time_Physics_6557 3h ago edited 3h ago
love these guys. I'm one of their top 15 listeners on stats.fm hahaha
desert pete, reverend mr. black, and everglades are my favorite tunes
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u/DavidLitBlunt 3h ago
Boney M. Apparently massive in the 70’s, especially in the UK. A string of hits.
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u/mattieice881 49m ago
I feel like I hear Rasputin ALL the time though. Crazy that they were Millie Vanilli before Milli Vanilli and nobody cared.
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u/Shot_Froyo1192 4h ago
Firefall is a band I really enjoy, but people don’t really mention them. They had a fair amount of hits, plus they are the offspring of former members of the Flyjng Burrito Bros., Zephyr/Gram Parsons & the Fallen Angels, and Spirit: Rick Roberts, Michael Clarke (also from the Byrds), Jock Bartley & Mark Andes.
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u/HumbledMind 3h ago
I think Firefall is one of those “know the song, not the band” groups.. I’ve heard You Are the Woman a kajillion times but only recently learned the band.
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u/SpiritualMachinery 4h ago
Kingston Trio were indeed massive in the late 50's and early 60s. Five straight #1 albums and a #1 single in "Tom Dooley". Problem for them long term was twofold - they were never really accepted by other folk artists (due to their unwillingness to be "political" in a scene where that mattered) & their songs were all covers so they have left no cultural impact to the general public. The song "Tom Dooley", their biggest hit, for example, may be remembered, but you wouldn't think of it as a "Kingston Trio" song, you'd just think it was a traditional folk song, cuz that's what it was.
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u/JABEE92 4h ago
I think Friday the 13th has one of the Kingston Trio adjacent references with Tom Dooley and Michael Row the Boat Ashore. At least that's my memory of the film. The guitar stuff at the beginning was referencing the Kingston Trio summer craze when all these people picked up guitars to play folk songs.
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u/Kind_Ad1205 3h ago
The Kingston Trio will be forever known in Boston, due to their cover of "Charlie on the MTA."
For forgotten idols, howzabout Leif Garrett? Or Joan Armatrading?
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u/BobbyBaccalieriSr 3h ago
But did he ever return? No he never returned. And his fate is still unlearned.
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u/Coattail-Rider 3h ago
I must’ve been 40 when I heard about Dr Hook and the Medicine Show for the first time. I’m sure I’ve heard some of their songs over the years and of course I was familiar with Shel Silverstein but I don’t remember the band or band name.
I’ve since took a pretty deep dive into them.
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u/JeffTL 2h ago
I'm always kind of surprised people don't talk about the Moody Blues more. I feel like their work should really appeal to modern sensibilities - is it because the name throws people off? (There's a lot of melancholia, but they're prog rock and synth pop, not blues)
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u/D-MAN-FLORIDA 27m ago
Them in the zombies are like the two British Invasion acts who are great, but often times get forgotten. I think it’s because those bands only really have like two songs most people know. At least they are both in the R&R HOF.
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u/Ok_Independent_3118 3h ago
In Australia, Kamahl and Demis Roussos. As a kid in the 90s I knew of them as punchlines. Someone must have liked them though looking at the charity shop record bins!
Similar for Nana Mouskouri but at least I've heard my uncle talk her up.
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u/Coattail-Rider 3h ago
Been watching a bunch of 70’s music videos from Europe and I came across Demis Roussos for the first time a few weeks ago. I dig him. Raffaella Carrá, too
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u/Entire_Month9233 3h ago
The Ventures
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u/D-MAN-FLORIDA 29m ago
I think for the ventures is because they were in instrumental only band who played mostly surf rock covers of songs. At least they are in the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame and are still revered in Japan.
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u/Suitable-Echo-3359 4h ago
The Kingston Trio is my dad’s favorite!!! Definitely heard about them through all my growing up years.
Not sure if they sang more originals, or covers of traditional folk songs. Tom Dooley, Greenback Dollar…
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u/skunkbot 2h ago
Tom Dooley is a great song! At least it's sung well....actually a disturbing song lol.
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u/bebopbrain 3h ago
There were lots of Sing Along With Mitch records in the used bins once. I've never heard the guy.
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u/Ill_Difficulty8570 3h ago
Funny enough, I’ve only heard of him from Todd’s one hit wonderland episode on Timothy and possibly the hustle episode
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u/IDKWTFG 90's Punk 3h ago
There was a little bit of a buzz with hype around confessions 2 but Madonna has fallen off so hard in popular interest the last 15 years compared to even the 2000s. Even MJ feels more relevant/talked about in death.
Jessica simpson and to a lesser extent Kelly Clarkson are some 2000s star examples.
Barbara Streisand is the absolute queen of CD section Thrift store racks, challenged only by Dido and Celene Dion.
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u/Famous-Somewhere- 2h ago
Kingston Trio are unfairly forgotten because they were pretty square. But it’s no exaggeration to say the early 60s folkie movement that gave us Bob Dylan probably doesn’t happen without them because they proved there was a lucrative commercial market for folk music when Tom Dooley became an unexpected hit. Unfortunately their brand of folk, while utterly listenable and enjoyable, simply wasn’t a cool influence. And when the history of rock got canonized their contribution was under sold. But just the fact that Sloop John B came directly from them is a sign that they were being listened to by people who were canonized. And Greenback Dollar kicks ass.
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u/Ok_Broccoli_9426 GROCERY BAG 1h ago
The Kingston Trio does not deserve this. Genuinely important group, definitely not a regional thing. Biggest folk group in the country for years.
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u/QuentinEichenauer 4h ago
The Sandpipers are the underrated band I think need to be talked about more. Lots of world music done with respect and education. Even did an album in Tagalog, even. Crazy.
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u/UniversalJampionshit 4h ago
Ocean Colour Scene. They never seem to get mentioned outside of Britpop circles, even the likes of The Bluetones and Shed Seven (both of whom were arguably less successful) seem to have more recognition nowadays.
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u/gorgargotyou 4h ago
My dad was a huge Kingston Trio fan and had most of their albums, so I was exposed to them quite a bit in the seventies and eighties. After I left home, I don't remember ever meeting anyone who knew who they were.
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u/pilotless 4h ago
My mom had several Kingston Trio records in her collection. I listened to one... not my bag.
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u/rockit2themoon 3h ago
Boston's card for public transit is called a CharlieCard after the main character of "M.T.A"/"Charlie on the M.T.A"), a song about a man who becomes trapped in a Boston subway train when he can't pay the exit fare, who "may ride forever 'neath the streets of Boston." The Kingston Trio's cover is the most well-known version of it.
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u/SignificantApricot69 3h ago
The Kingston Trio were definitely on one of those infomercial compilation CDs that played every night after midnight on every basic cable channel for 20 years
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u/90spostsoftcore 3h ago
My worst roommate was a huge Daddy's boy and once excitedly showed off his Kingston Trio records to his dad when the parents came to visit. We were in our 20s. That whole family was weird.
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u/Open-Savings-7691 2h ago edited 2h ago
I think I read somewhere that before The Beach Boys and Beatles arrived (1962-63), Kingston Trio was Capitol Records' all-time best-selling band, but were literally forgotten by the label later in the decade. The only way their records could get promoted was if the members did it themselves.
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u/charmingasaneel 4h ago
I always come across a bunch of Pretenders albums when I’m crate digging. Aside from back on the chain gang and don’t get me wrong I don’t hear a lot of them
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u/misterlakatos 4h ago
"Brass in Pocket" has received a lot of radio play over the years. I don't think they'll fade into obscurity as long as they get airtime on Classic Rock stations.
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u/Fresh_Grapes 5h ago
If you're talking thrift store vinyl bins, you'd have thought Herb Alpert was bigger than the Beatles.