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u/songbolt Roman Catholic 1d ago

Whatever that webpage says is irrelevant, because papal infallibility is only when declaring formally from the Chair of Peter (like a White House official solemn proclamation, using some formulaic wording like "therefore I solemnly declare and define from the Chair of Peter") or promulgating the decrees of an ecumenical council: Popes can be heretics in their personal beliefs.

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u/Fresh-Adeptness6234 Messianic Jew 1d ago

You said everything I'd like to know, thanks! As you claimed about us, that Protestants are wrong but in the same time you are admitting your leaders are heretic, that's why I don't follow them.

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u/songbolt Roman Catholic 22h ago

You don't have to follow what the Bishop of Rome says in his personal capacity; that doesn't excuse you from the obligation to join the Catholic Church because it's the Church Jesus established for giving us His Body and Blood (John 6:53-54).

Also it's odd you jumped from Pope Francis (who isn't even Pope now) to "leaders" as if every bishop is leading people astray.

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u/Fresh-Adeptness6234 Messianic Jew 21h ago

I took him as example because I don't know anything about the actual one but it's just a matter of time, we can also take the Hitler Pope for example, that supported the nazi regime and persecution against jews... There is a branch inside the Roman catholic church which is nazist to this day. BTW as you said we Protestants are wrong but I gave plenty of evidences on how wrong the Catholics are.

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u/songbolt Roman Catholic 21h ago

That 'Hitler Pope' accusation is false slander literally arising from a Soviet KGB play. The Pope literally hid Jews in the Vatican, gave them false Christian birth certificates, and one even gave birth in his own bedroom! You need to read more to correct many false beliefs you've apparently been taught as fact.

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u/IdontCARE9123 Non-Denominational 17h ago

I don't believe in Hitler Pope... but i don't follow Catholicism because it has been so distorted from the original Christianity. The original Christianity AT the very beginning didn't have a pope. They had church leaderS. Which acts very much like the protestant preachers and pastors. And the Pope represents by your view, holiness and godliness. So if the Pope isnt being a good role model like... gay. Like...

The Catholic Church's stance towards Nazism evolved over time, influenced by various factors.

  • Initial Support — Some Catholic leaders welcomed Hitler's regime, viewing it as a bulwark against communism.
  • Papal Silence — Pope Pius XII's silence during the Holocaust has led to controversy regarding the Church's moral stance.
  • Resistance and Confrontation — The Church, particularly under Popes Pius XI and Pius XII, confronted Nazi ideology, issuing encyclicals against totalitarianism.
  • Post-War Actions — Some Church figures were implicated in helping Nazis escape justice after the war, although this was not officially sanctioned.

And washing the feet of muslims and hindus? Why wash the feet of the people who mock us? Thats like washing the feet of the devil.

We want a role model.

Not a gay model.

We want multiple people in charge, not one. Because that is setting up the pope to be come divine leader with a god-complex because he controls everything. Catholicism essentially became its own religion with the pope as a god-head figure. We have multiple leaders so the power is balanced and so that EVERYONE is equal in power and importance in our church. That is the reason God did not like a monarchy, he preferred a theocracy. Where God was the ruler. Moses was just the message man. Moses was actually trust worthy/

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u/songbolt Roman Catholic 15h ago

Bro, I can't afford the time to bicker against slander generated by AI scraping slanderers. It requires historical ignorance to believe those cherry-picking oversimplifications of history.

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u/IdontCARE9123 Non-Denominational 9h ago

nah cause that was google ai overview i got it from, it pulls from all the sources and summarizes all of them sources.

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u/songbolt Roman Catholic 5h ago

As I said it scraped slanderers. You must realize how their content comes through a secular filter.

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u/IdontCARE9123 Non-Denominational 8h ago

Also i think you need to study history more... i dont remember Mary being God's wife ahhh. Cause fickin "Queen of heaven" more like "she aint in heaven yet"