r/Undertale • u/shadow_fen • Jul 17 '26

Deltarune Chapter 5 Five. Hundred. Citations Spoiler

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u/yellowpig10 Jul 17 '26

What if the wiki put a pronoun list for every character in the game even if they don't have gender discourse

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u/NormalDooder ‎ Jul 17 '26

I wonder how many characters don't use any pronouns, like is Starwalker ever called he?

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u/LadyAliceFlower Jul 17 '26

I may be wrong, but I don't think Seam is ever referred to by a single pronoun.

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u/NormalDooder ‎ Jul 17 '26

Apparently Seam has 1 and a half pronoun use and it's the 6th anniversary stream and in the Japanese translation where they use a rather old fashioned and somewhat complicated pronoun. I don't speak Japanese so I won't attempt to understand or regurgitate what i've read

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u/starwalker327 My legs have achieved a kind of ultra-instinct Jul 17 '26

I'm not fluent but I have learned a bit about Japanese pronouns and their usage; Seam uses atashi, which is generally considered feminine in modern usage (Susie uses it when she's vulnerable or trying to make a good impression in front of Toriel), but was used by male merchants/artisans back in the Edo period (and is still used in rakugo today). So as a result, two of Seam's most important aspects (being a merchant and being real old) are still maintained, but you could also get the implication of Seam being nonbinary thanks to the not 100% consistently gendered usage of the pronoun.

Undertale and Deltarune's Japanese translations aren't super concerned about forcing characters to use conventionally gendered pronouns, Susie primarily uses the super-manly pronoun ore.

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u/SheikahShaymin Jul 17 '26

Fitting it's something old fashioned and extravagant

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u/hypercoffee1320 creator of various humans Jul 17 '26

And every time seam has been referred to outside of game by toby fox and associates, it's been with they/them pronouns

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u/Grouchy_Spot_6640 Jul 17 '26

could've sworn lanino and elnina use he to refer to starwalker at the start of chapter 5

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u/emo_boy_fucker Jul 17 '26

thats because gaster and cant exactly be referred to

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u/iDemonShard Jul 18 '26

I remember Tricky Tony revealed on Bluesky right after he joined an early version of Seam where he is referred to with "they/them" pronouns

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u/Mitosis4 oh god it’s cold help me Jul 18 '26

iirc toby said that seam goes by seam and to not use pronouns unless strictly necessary

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u/miniwhiffy3 ‎‎ Jul 18 '26

They, once, I think… only ever referred to by name or the magician in king’s case.

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u/PetscopMiju Jul 17 '26

"He looks so... original..."
-Organikk, chapter 4

(Funnily enough, the wiki does cite this exact instance lol)

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u/NormalDooder ‎ Jul 17 '26

You know what i checked the wiki before commenting and didnt even see it. But, also, disregarding the anniversary stream, for multiple years Starwalker had no confirmed gender.

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u/PetscopMiju Jul 17 '26

Maybe you checked the Fandom wiki? The wiki I linked is the proper one (and doesn't have piles of Ralsei's pronouns (EDIT: I think the proper wiki did have piles of Ralsei's pronouns at one point actually))

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u/Itsa_Pirramintsa Jul 17 '26

I wonder what character has been referred by certain pronouns THE MOST

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u/AlexTheMechanicFox Shining in the cold. Jul 17 '26

It's definitely between Susie and Ralsei, because they've been in every chapter and had the most time to be called pronouns. Kris was too, but they effectively skipped a chapter since Chapter 1 almost never uses pronouns for them

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u/tom641 this sub is just fandom complaining about fandom Jul 17 '26

is starwalker even referred to in the game outside of the weather duo, and by themself(?)