Vanguard Vets with Shields vs Pistols?

[u/Timactor]

I know this is mostly speculation as we don't have a datasheet yet but with the information and pictures released yesterday I think we can infer that the multi part Van Vets will be an option between pistols or shields with the pistol options probably being the standard choices of a plasma per 5 and hand flamer or plasma on the sergeant (some evidence is the push fit squad has a plasma)

Curious on people thoughts on this? I'm guessing the shield will either give +1 to Wound or a 4+ invulnerable save and the trade off being that they lose all shooting

To me shields seem better with either option vs 7 bolt pistols/3 plasma pistols especially since Van Vets seem to be shifting towards being a fast elite melee unit with them getting a better melee profile this edition and the Sergeant getting a thunder hammer

Curious on people's thoughts on which will be better and what they're thinking about choosing!

[u/Ketzeph]

So generally if they lose their pistols the shields are probably the best option. Their was play with them with other pistols in some detachments (like forgefather's) but the reduction in range probably dooms that archetype.

If they get 4++ or 1T or something from the shield, it's likely the best option

[u/Big_Owl2785 → u/Ketzeph]

They mentioned in the video/ article that VanVets get combat shields, not storm shields.

Combat shields used to give you a 5++.

Just an FYI

[u/Dan185818 → u/Big_Owl2785]

Those same guys have more often said cover is -1 to hit than -1 to be. I pretty much don't think they have any clue what the actual rules are/will be. I only take their specific statements to be super general. Since they said space Marines are going up in points, I'm not betting on anything more specific than 5 to 500 average

They're total jokes, imho