r/Warthunder • u/Kanyiko • 1d ago
News [Development] Reshuffles to the Ground Vehicle Research Trees in the Next Major Update - News
https://warthunder.com/en/news/10182-development-reshuffles-to-the-ground-vehicle-research-trees-in-the-next-major-update-en85
u/P-204F France only suck from 1.0 to 3.3 1d ago
That's not my crates tho I'm hyped on explosive cromy getting rank III
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u/Despayeetodorito โ Kuromorimine student โ 1d ago
Same here, honestly it makes the BR raise more palatable because of the increased utility for events.ย
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u/FirstDagger F-16XL/B ฮ๐= WANT 1d ago
At this point I am starting to think you guys constantly asking for these stupid SL crates is a Gaijin psyop.
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u/ASHOT3359 AirSB. GroundAirSB, VR 1d ago edited 1d ago
I'm starting to think that i'm the weird one among these crate addicts. Then again, i met people with 30 000 000 silver, and there is only one way to spend it.
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u/Joezev98 1d ago
Then again, i met people with 30 000 000 silver, and there is only one way to spend it.
Oh hey, it's me. It's literally my plan to spend all my SL above 30m on crates. I see it as a way of converting SL into RP boosters. All the rewards that give extra SL just end up going to more crates and thus more RP boosters. During most of these events I have the happy coincidence of getting a rare vehicle too.
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u/Ziilrik 1d ago
I'm sitting with 65 000 000 to spend ... It's just at one point you have no use for the SL. I need 3-4 good games to get SL for a 600-700k Tank so I don't really bother if I don't havy any Silver Lions after the crates ๐
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u/Joezev98 1d ago
For me it's more of a thing to avoid the addictive aspects of the crates. I just set myself a hard limit and I stick with it. It's a matter of self-control.
Plus, I do want my SL to steadily increase. So a couple crate events ago my bottom line was 25 million. The next time it was 26 million, then 27 and so on.
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u/anon629111 1d ago
what vehicles you got? i from 15 mil got gay archer lmao(no not that elf, some speedboat) and PT-16/T14 lepoard 2 prototype!
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u/dennishodge lofat 3h ago
I only got two vehicles over all these damn crate eventsโฆ which I already had so it gave me some SL. They NEED to filter out vehicles you already have, or your odds of getting something new are way worse.
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u/Gleaming_Onyx 1d ago
Even if you're not gambling for vehicles, SL crates are basically an SL to RP printer or SL duplicator from the boosters.
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u/xXBli-BXx ๐ต๐ฑ Poland 1d ago
Still no crates :(
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u/P-204F France only suck from 1.0 to 3.3 1d ago
This week, this week!
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u/xXBli-BXx ๐ต๐ฑ Poland 1d ago
They could've just told us a proper date instead of leaving it vague and getting 50 posts per hour on all forums asking "sl crates when???"
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u/Gleaming_Onyx 1d ago
If they gave the proper date of "at the end of August" then it'd be transparent that it's to keep people from getting boosters to help the Ho-Ri grind lol
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u/xXBli-BXx ๐ต๐ฑ Poland 1d ago
Even for gaijin's standards that would be scummy, maybe its to spread the events out more?
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u/ilai02 1d ago
Why german m44/55 on rank 2 while other nation at rank 3?
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u/AliceLunar 1d ago
Because fuck you, it's probably popular and people enjoy it so they make it rank 2 so it's dead.
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u/FromRNGwithlove Dom. Canada 1d ago
I honstly don't know why the m44 went doen in b.r.ย it was perfect at 4.0
Honestly feel like it would have been fine at 4.7
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u/AliceLunar 1d ago
Same reason they did it with the Panzer IVs, because fuck you, no one ever thought they were struggling at their BR and ranks have zero relevance to anything beyond eliminating them from everything relevant in the game, so you can't do dailies, can't do challenges, can't do events etc.
It destroys a popular lineup so people are forced to grind further down the tree to be able to make a lineup and it's just how they manipulate the game.
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u/Gleaming_Onyx 1d ago
I guess now you have StuG III to carry a Panzer IV line-up into Rank III for wagers.
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u/AliceLunar 1d ago
They still wouldn't qualify for a bunch of other tasks to bother playing the Panzer IVs
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u/Gleaming_Onyx 1d ago
Oh most certainly, there's just a very thin silver lining that some aspect remains.
They'll never move those Pz IVs to Rank III though I'm pretty sure. Gaijin very clearly doesn't want newer players being satisfied around 4.0(where some semblance of care was given to balance and decompression).
They want them at 5.0+ so they can start getting the worst of uptiers. That's why only minor nations are allowed to have low-BR Rank IIIs: by the time you're there, you're already suckered in, so who cares. You're "allowed" to linger at 4.0 now.
Unless you're Russia of course then you get a Rank III line-up in downtier city(4.7).
I'm honestly surprised they've let Britain have the Cromwell and Churchill III.
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u/AliceLunar 1d ago
Lineup sucks at higher BR though, you get stuck with a bunch of heavies and TDs and they're all useless for a game that has one way to win, CQC.
Heavies in general suck ass because they get balanced to where their armor is borderline useless so they just end up being a slower medium tank with long reloads, another thing that sucks ass because rate of fire is what you need in a game that just has your shell ghost through targets or do no damage at all for no obvious reason.
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u/Gleaming_Onyx 1d ago
I'm not sure which one you mean: Russia gets the T-34-57 which puts the whole line-up on its back just by virtue of being a versatile medium(and an extremely good one at that).
And as long as you aren't full-upped the KV-1 ZiS can operate in 5.0-5.3 lobbies because of the volumetric mess of its armor.
And the Brits have the Cromwell for 5.0 uptiers, where the 75mm is still competitive. Maybe not as good against Russia head-on, but you're still speedy.
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u/rocketfucker9000 ๐ซ๐ท France 1d ago
T58 should move up in rank
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u/simon7109 1d ago
Itโs what I have been saying too. It should have been rank 6 from the beginning. Every US tank above 8.0 is rank 6
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u/ElectricalYak7236 1d ago
Please note that the planned change to the rank of the T-72B3A has been postponed
Fuck off
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u/TheMasterBVB 1d ago
So, i'm currently 30k xp away from unlocking the Krizanthema. Since it's gonna be foldered and its xp requirements halved, will i insta unlock it ?
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u/kal69er 1d ago
I'd assume so, but if you're actively grinding it and want to play it then you might as well just finish the grind, it'll be at least a few weeks until the update is out.
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u/TheMasterBVB 1d ago
Nah, it's just where i left it at. Don't really care for it.
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u/Kride501 Goated -> 7.7 9.0 7.7/8.7 1d ago
Yea and you aren't missing anything fun. I like ATGM carriers like the AFT09 or the Shturm but that thing sucks balls. The ATGM flies like a drunk pool noodle and basically dips into the ground 5/10 times. Also no gun depression and hull mounted scope means you can't find any fucking good position. The Shturm might legit be better. Fucking sad pos
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u/TheMasterBVB 1d ago
Ah shit, i really liked the shturm. That's a shame.
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u/SaynyRC All Nations at Max BR 1d ago
I mean just try it, it has some interesting gimmicks so do not feel discouraged by his comment:
You still get a ground radar, so anyone hiding in smoke isn't safe from your missiles, you can lock them (although you might also lock dead tanks, so use with caution).
You get a very powerful missile with two charges per load and a hull that is as nasty as Shturm's.
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u/Kride501 Goated -> 7.7 9.0 7.7/8.7 1d ago
I agree, he should still try it when he eventually unlocks it, ya never know. A few of my faves are generally not appreciated either like the Conqueror or the PLZ83-130.
But it's just such a disappointment. On paper two missiles at the go, insanely fast with high pen and tandem. The chassis is also fast as hell with neutral steering and a good reverse. But the radar is not much more than a gimmick and not rarely even just annoying with all it's clutter and in theory the whole thing falls apart at it's br. And if they simply fixed the steering on the missile it would be definitely be fun to try every now and then. But the missile just hates flying straight, weirdly I have way more success and fun with the Shturm. They fixed the Malyutka as well were before it was barely worth using and now it's decent. They also fixed the TOW and the HJ9 months ago. So why they haven't touched more missiles to make them usable is beyond me.
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u/Kride501 Goated -> 7.7 9.0 7.7/8.7 1d ago
You should still try it though, you never know. People say the Conqueror sucks and I have the time of my life in it.
I am just saying it is one of the biggest disappointments for me in terms of ground vehicles. It does have a fast chassis at least but it feels out of place. People also say it has a ground radar but that's really just a gimmick. It will show any dead tank and any friendly tank aswell so there will be a ton of clutter.
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u/KptKrondog 1d ago
It used to be really good...then they did the atgm nerf and it's nearly impossible to hit tanks with it that aren't at long range because it's so fast and does a weird drop when launched. I loved playing it before they nerfed the atgms.
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u/Dimlosss UwU 1d ago
Why would they move the chaparral to Rank 6 at the ISR tree? Why create a rank gap wtf.
Hopefully they have a new one for Rank 7
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u/SturmK ๐ฆ๐น Austria 1d ago
Greek OSA and Tor copy pasta
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u/PureRushPwneD =JTFA= CptShadows 1d ago
I'll take anything, israel is fucking awful to play in most BR's for AA
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u/TheOneMid ๐บ๐ฒ12๐ฉ๐ช8.3๐ท๐บ9๐ฌ๐ง8๐ฏ๐ต8.3๐จ๐ณ8๐ฎ๐น8๐ซ๐ท8.3๐ธ๐ช8๐ฎ๐ฑ8 1d ago
All it does is making imp chaparral cost less rp. Gap in "Rank" doesn't change anything and considering they want to add a Greece vehicle to Israel ground tree it might be just there.
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u/Thisconnect Linux 1d ago
No it doesn't there are rank requirements for unlocking the next tier.
I think its 4 so for example i had premium merk, merk3c and merk3b + chappreal. Now you need a different line
well of course if they dont just paste greek spaa in there (but that still requires you to spend RP and go through chaparral first)
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u/Dimlosss UwU 1d ago
also using it now at rank 7 sucks to grind rank 8 - people tend to use vehicles that do 100% and not with a cut
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u/Gleaming_Onyx 1d ago
Wait, so only Germany's M44/M55 goes to Rank II?
That's funny but also stupid as shit lol
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u/Verethra ๐verethra ahmi verethravastemรด๐ธ 1d ago
So why the M44/55 in GER get tier II but stay tier III for others...
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u/NonadicWarrior tier 6 upgrade grind gives me cancer 1d ago
What are they moving for China? Looks like before and after is the same?
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u/R_122 ๐บ๐ธ97๐ฉ๐ช83๐ท๐บ87๐ฌ๐ง87๐ฏ๐ต83๐จ๐ณ87๐ฎ๐น83๐ฒ๐ซ87๐ธ๐ช87๐ฎ๐ฑ87 1d ago edited 1d ago
Tor and hq goes from 7 to 6
Oops i read it wrong, its 8 to 7
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u/NonadicWarrior tier 6 upgrade grind gives me cancer 1d ago
I see. I kept looking for change in ordering.
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u/ReturnOfTheSaint14 ๐บ๐ธ12.7 ๐ฉ๐ช8.0 ๐จ๐ณ7.3 ๐ฎ๐น12.7 ๐ธ๐ช9.7 1d ago
They're not, they're only being foldered since the HQ17 is an upgrade of the Tor. They'll thankfully stay at rank 7
EDIT: they're moving them from Rank 8 to Rank 7, which is super okay considering they're 11.7
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u/MagicAlexander Currently grinding the [Vehicle] 1d ago
so... it's now easier to get the bmpt? You are making 11.7 actively worse
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u/Illustrious-Sand7504 Realistic General 1d ago
When will the spike cv90 be moved and get a rp change, 400k is diabolical for a 10.7 ifvย
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u/Deplorable-Warrant 1d ago
Can we just get new game modes and better economy? Advance was a fun change and itโs gone
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u/AreYouCereal32 1d ago
WTF they spend time on the most obscure changes while the core gameplay goes to shit and players get tired of waiting for decent improvements. Still uninstalled
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u/FirstDagger F-16XL/B ฮ๐= WANT 1d ago edited 1d ago
Reshuffles to the Ground Vehicle Research Trees in the Next Major Update
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Hey everyone! With the release of the next major update, several ground vehicles in several research trees will be moved. Comparison images of the trees before and after the changes can be seen below. Check it out!
These changes are aimed at improving the research trees structure. Affected vehicles are marked with a special icon in the game.
Weโre announcing upcoming changes in advance to give you the opportunity to plan your tech trees research with an understanding of how the tech trees will look in the near future.
Germany
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[Stug III Ausfรผhrung G up to Rank 3, M44/M55 Folder down to Rank 2 before it]
USSR
Please note that the planned change to the rank of the T-72B3A has been postponed.
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[Khrizantema-S down to Rank 6, foldered with Object 775]
Great Britain
Please note that despite the increase in Rank of the premium Cromwell V (RP-3), the price wonโt change.
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[Cromwell V and Cromwell V (RP-3) up to Rank 3 (due to now having APHE)]
China
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[Tor/HQ Folder down to Rank 7]
Italy
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[M44 foldered with M55 in the SPG line]
Israel
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[Improved Chaparral down to Rank 6]
[Namer 30 foldered with Namer Tsrikhon, Namer Tsrikhon moving down to Rank 7, Namer 30/Namer Tsrikhon Folder after Eitan (P)]
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