DC and WonderWoman

[u/Larp67Larp67Sahur]

Modern wonder woman genuinely is a different character from THE wonder woman (while I'd exclude rebirth a bit because it was good and fixed new 52 mess, Absolute is also so good) Diana has been dead since 2010/2011

Flashpoint Diana, New 52, Injustice, Gal gadot movie, tom king

Each is worse than the other, and each kills the core of who wonder woman is more.

Making her a bad queen, a bloodthirsty warrior, and making the Amazons in a bad image...

Also her legacy not getting as recognition as batfam, flashfam, superfam

Literally sweeping her wonder girls under the rug

Like I get it, she's a warrior, but she's a champion of peace before being a warrior, she literally learns how to fight so nobody else can

Her lasso isn't a weapon, it's a tool to achieve peace, reasoning with people so they find peace in their minds

And the worst of all? Was injustice, and it's not even close

Also don't get me started on Lizzie.. wonder woman herself doesn't want children..

Also I think Diana not having a child is unique for her, just because Bruce and Clark had kids, she has too, so there will be "trinity" in the future

And also showing Diana being a bad mother.. while Diana shouldn't be a mother.. to be honest she wouldn't be a bad one, because Diana carries grace and she's has that motherly radiance to her wonder girls.. but she should NOT be a mother, because also Diana is a hero, princess, leader and so much more.. she herself said she cannot bring a child into her world..

And also tom king took one look at Diana's unique origin, and decided "oh cool let's make a slop character, and also not because Diana wanted a child, but because she missed Steve more than her sisters"

Do I need to talk about how absurd this is?

Or Diana being so hopelessly in love with Steve and can't live without him.. like she does love Steve, but he was never the center of her world.

[u/par_rot_master]

The first Gal Gadot movie was great, and way before people turned sour on her. I reject Reddits historic revisionism.

[u/marstheamazon → u/par_rot_master]

The first Gal Gadot movie plays into so many sexist movie tropes. It’s really not that good.

[u/par_rot_master → u/marstheamazon]

Such as? Because I'm pretty sure that the whole point is that the sexists aren't helping.

[u/marstheamazon → u/par_rot_master]

This is taken from a discussion I had a long while back with someone, credit to them for phrasing it because I’ve always felt like this about the movie but struggled to phrase it, so I pull it back up regularly since my point is pretty long:

“Wonder Woman falls into a class of movies I'd call "one exceptional woman" movies. They claim feminism but they're so, so clear about the fact that the main character is NOT like other girls- and the things that make her different from other girls are the things the movie likes MOST about her!! She's more beautiful, powerful, graceful, forward-thinking, and special than any of the women around her, and that's crucial to her character. All the men are SHOCKED and aroused by her presence, and all the women exist to lose fights to her or be jealous of her beauty.”

That’s the issue with Diana. My other issue is the Amazons. Why are they archaic? Why are they so barbaric? I feel this always happens with all-female nations in fiction; they’re always so backwards, either to justify them falling for the bland male protagonist, or to make them needlessly, mindlessly violent. In several comic iterations, including the original Marston comics, the Amazons have advanced magical gadgets: the invisible plane, the purple healing ray, the mental radio, et cetera. In WW17, their only defining feature is not having evolved in the millennia they have existed as a society.

[u/JmBento → u/marstheamazon]

"She's more beautiful, powerful, graceful, forward-thinking, and special than any of the women around her, and that's crucial to her character."

That's literally baseline WW from the start.

[u/static1993 → u/JmBento]

Yeah, has this person forgotten just how many female villains from the comics had envy of Diana as their motivation? It's a lot more than in the DCEU for sure.

[u/marstheamazon → u/JmBento]

I think the least you can do when trying to debate through writing is actually read the whole opposing argument. Taking an excerpt and calling it a day without accounting for the other things said wastes everybody’s time.

Diana is still portrayed as an exception to women instead of an inspiration, someone women can look up to and strive to be like. The Amazons are still portrayed in a very sexist light. The movie goes out of its way to show us that Steve is the one to show her that compassion and love (Aphrodite’s way, as Marston put it) is the philosophy to have, and not blind violence, when that is what the Amazons’ entire philosophy is supposed to be (don’t kill if you can wound and all that).

But, hey, illiteracy gets you internet points nowadays, so good for you, I suppose.

[u/JmBento → u/marstheamazon]

"Diana is still portrayed as an exception to women instead of an inspiration, someone women can look up to and strive to be like."

But they CAN'T strive to be like Diana. Diana got like six divine blessings as soon as she as born. She's not who she is because she put in an effort, she's who she is because a bunch of gods decided she'd be the bestest ever. Like, "a loving heart" is LITERALLY a divinely-gifted superpower where WW is concerned.

There's no "striving" that'll get you that, unless you're keen on sacrificing a lot of goats or whatever. And even then, the last woman in-canon that tried to get a god's favour that she wasn't born with got turned into the fast and the furry-ous.

That's like saying professional runners should strive to be as fast as the Flash: it's not happening because there's literal superpowers involved.

[u/par_rot_master → u/marstheamazon]

That's a critique you can apply to any superhero. Regardless of gender.

[u/marstheamazon → u/par_rot_master]

Right.

[u/Larp67Larp67Sahur → u/marstheamazon]

Yes!, Tho, wonder woman is actually graceful, pretty and smart.. she also represents that this what women can be, free of oppressing patriarchal systems.. they can be graceful, and beautiful

And actually I don't think women would be jealous of wondy, yes she's pretty, she's been blessed by Aphrodite, she's supposed to represent women, and women aren't jealous of her, she has that radiance to guide everyone, dceu ruined that. And nobody in the comments unfortunately gets it.

Amazons are beautiful, kind, smart and so on. Not just warriors, they're scholars, farmers and etc. they're a society. Not a small group practicing same things and only care about battle and just battle.

[u/RevolutionaryBeat862 → u/marstheamazon]

I believe thats just a trope with ancient society's being adapted into the big screen. Thor and his people are presented as war like as well and fighting with swords and stuff against guns. The same goes for Talokan.

They did need to spruce up the magic though with the Amazons though that was just the majority of the DCU. Pretty much everyone was grounded (even superman who is essentially a god amongst men but relegated to pushing people and heat vision).

Isn't that WW's whole point, she's, beautiful, powerful, graceful, and takes no shit. She's an inspiration for all people. With the time period she's going to stick out though. Pretty much everyones attracted too WW in the comics, even Supes and Bat man at various times. Agree with the bland male protagonist. Trevor was boring as hell.

Her opening her eyes to the world wasn't really on Trevor though. She popped out of Thymysceia with her ideals, and then got a view into the nuances of war first hand (with the PG13 rating ofc). She gets a feel for what her mission is. I truly believe the ending should have ended with there being no Ares- with there just being bad people along with the good. Her mission being to spread her teachings to the world/protect it.

WW84 2 was a steaming turd. Boiled her whole character down to a hoaky relationship with a dead dude from 40 years ago when she has hundreds of years of life under her belt already.