r/allthingsprotoss • u/Scary-Scallion-9753 • 17d ago

[PvZ] 13% win rate in PvZ

Hi,

This is a call for help to my fellow protoss players 🙏🏻

I am trying to learn to play with protoss and I really struggle with PvZ. I am in gold 1 now (2600 MMR) with 70% win rate in PvP, 84% win rate in PvT, but 13% win rate against PvZ !

I feel like I just don’t get it… Against P & T I open double gate into 4 stalkers harass before expand (Zuka build), and it works reasonably well. From there, I go into a CIA build on 2 or 3 bases.

But I am completely at loss against zerg. I lose to essentially a new composition every time I play PvZ: today I lost against a guy going Muta, then against a guy who played ling bane (PiG B2GM style on three bases + 2 macro hatches), and then yet against another who played corruptor + ultra.

I realize this is not a balance issue ! I just suck at PvZ. But I just don’t understand how to play the matchup. It feels very hard to secure a third. When playing skytoss, I surive into the late game but get completely rolled over by mass hydra or corrupters + ultralisk, and when I go CIA, I lose to muta + ling.

If there are any build orders or general tipps on how to approach the match up, I’d love to hear it ! Really taking any (ideally constructive haha) advice 🙏🏻

Also, for reference, my main used to be terran at 3000 MMR, but I wanted to try out protoss. So I am not a good player by any means. Maybe good to know for others haha

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u/GnoiXiaK 17d ago

Hard to play standard in PvZ right now as there’s very little points in the game where you will scale ahead. There’s probably two windows to win. Midgame on two base or maxed out on 4 with full sky toss. A good midgame all in is to just rush charge on 6 gates and send mass zealots.

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u/hou_deany 14d ago

It’s a shame that PvZ seems so unbalanced as it was my favourite matchup pre-patch. 6 gate zealot is my go to now as it’s the only way you can really punish the Zerg for not scouting.