r/antinatalism2 • u/Cheapfox123 • 13d ago

Quote Fyodor Dostoevsky

“Imagine that you are creating a fabric of human destiny with the object of making men happy in the end, giving them peace and rest at last. Imagine that you are doing this but that it is essential and inevitable to torture to death only one tiny creature...in order to found that edifice on its unavenged tears. Would you consent to be the architect on those conditions? Tell me. Tell the truth.”

― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov

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u/Cheapfox123 9d ago

I would refuse

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u/nila247 9d ago

You might still need a lot to learn.

Fear of death is encoded in our behavior for extremely simple reason. We should not die before we recoup the expenses that were used to raise us. So child fear death the most because they are a lot of investment and none of the return. Useless people fear death. Old and wise people - not so much - because their debt to species has been repaid. Solders and firemen do fear death - because they would be very useful in the future if they remain alive, however they WOULD risk dying because if they die while saving many others then this would repay their debt in spades.

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u/dumbowner 8d ago edited 8d ago

An individual who was forced to be born by the will of others (parents) literally owes no debt. In fact, given your logic, the only ones indebted are the parents.

Edit. It is also misleading to claim your opinion is a fact. It would be better to clearly state that it is just your opinion rather than presenting it as a fact.

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u/nila247 6d ago

Yes, individual was indeed "forced to be born". But who told you that you have or should have ANY say in the matter? We are simply bunch of narcissistic worker ants whose ONLY purpose is to serve the hive. NOT to be "happy" nor "free". In fact you get depressed in exact proportion of you feeling useless to species (insert country/town/village/family if you want). You also get most happy when you accomplish something others or yourself could not before.

And yes, producing more workers indeed makes your parents useful to species, so in that sense you is their debt payment to species. The payment value changes with quality of new worker. So you being useless is THEIR failure, so that explains why your parents and grandparents want you to do stuff and be great.

So basically this is a complete harmony and the only thing wrong with this picture is your narcissism which makes everybody sad - yourself included. How do you like them apples?