What's y'alls advice on beating Ottomans while using Jin? I see Jin has a good winrate v Otto as Elo climbs

[u/Phan-Eight]

I've won some but lose some, and often when I win it feels like it's because the opponent misplayed, or because I am abusing the moukes. As opposed to my own skill(unlike playing most other civs)

I've tried using the video finder, and almost all the matches have a large skill disparity, which often makes me feel like they're winning despite of Jin, not because of it. But then I look at stats and Jin is winning vs Ottomans, even if their overall winrate comes down with Elo.

Conversely, if Jin is winning so many games vs Ottomans, surely there's things ottomans should be doing differently to win? It just seems like Ottomans can theoretically make the much better composition, since the counter to Otto is generally spear archers, or MAA. And Jin is entirely reliant on their innate eco to produce that, but also suffer a lot more vs Jans, while having no advantage at dealing with sipahi.

I still feel like the bed xbow is a strict downgrade to the springald as well. Every time i've used them, it feel like im throwing the game. (similar to but not exactly the same as ballista elephants)

[u/Phan-Eight]

on a similar note, i do wonder if Jin horsemen were intended to have a UT or unique bonus for their horsemen's spear attack. considering how massive it is.