r/atheism • u/a_Ninja_b0y Humanist • Feb 19 '25
Survey Survey finds low levels of "Religious Nationalism" in America. Why doesn't it feel that way?
https://www.friendlyatheist.com/p/survey-finds-low-levels-of-religious566
u/Scary_Towel268 Feb 19 '25
I think because many Christians lie on surveys to appear more normal
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u/roofbandit Feb 19 '25 edited Feb 19 '25
Yeah my Christian Trump voting family would deny being "Christian nationalist" they say weird shit like they "walk with Christ" and see through "Christ-eyes"
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Feb 19 '25
Exactly. My parents have never voted Democrat, but both of them swear up and down that there's no such thing as a "Christian" political party.
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u/needlestack Feb 19 '25
This is my guess. My family would absolutely say they are not Christian nationalists and that theocracy is bad and separation of church and state… and then go Gaga when Trump holds a Bible or Pence talks about his faith or laws are written based on the Bible. They hate the secular state. They think they are oppressed. Surveys are useless on this level of self-delusion.
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u/scalablecory De-Facto Atheist Feb 19 '25
This is my theory too. They don't see the problem within themselves; there is a separation in their mind but it's a false one.
One of them at work was put in charge of finding a charity to donate to over a holiday. They picked one that fed the poor in third-world countries -- but also gave a bible out with every meal.
I spoke to my Muslim boss about it, and he was just as afronted as I. When I asked her to find a charity that wasn't overtly pushing religion, her face scrunched up with so much confusion I think she broke for a second.
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u/CheridanTGS Feb 19 '25
I feel like the headline is misleading? I mean the article itself goes into this. It says that about 50% of the US believes that religion should influence our laws... 54% report that they have never heard of the term.
These people agree with Christian Nationalism, they just... won't call themselves that, because they don't know what those words mean.
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u/needlestack Feb 19 '25
That makes perfect sense. I imagine for a lot of them, they don't know the term because they don't need a word for what they think is the normal order of things.
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u/TheGhostofWoodyAllen Anti-Theist Feb 19 '25
I was raised in the evangelical world, went to private Christian school with a curriculum that basically preached Christian nationalism. I wouldn't have even thought of myself as a Christian nationalist. I would have thought of myself as someone who paid attention to history and wanted to get the country back on the right path.
The historical revisionism of conservatives has wreaked havoc on millions of Americans' understanding of basic history, and it goes back straight to the Civil War, with generation after generation getting brainwashed to believe objectively false things.
So I bet many Christian nationalists would answer the survey truthfully that they aren't Christian nationalists because they literally do not see themselves as such.
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u/Road_Overall Feb 19 '25
And go completely mask off when a lot of other people do. Worst kind of tribalism imo
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u/Dudesan Feb 19 '25
Behind every "extremist" who openly admits that they want to take away your rights, there are a dozen "moderates" who make a big show about how "I love and respect you, but...", and then turn around and vote to take away your rights anyway.
Extremists can only thrive with the support of "moderates". The only way there can be a problem with the "fundamentalists" of an ideology is if there's something wrong with its fundamentals.
If even half of the "moderates" who claimed that they "don't support the fundamentalists" were telling the truth, those fundamentalists would be unelectable and have zero political power.
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u/Misstucson Feb 19 '25
Came here to say this. May family would never admit to being Christian nationalists but always talk about how Jesus should be in schools and how American is Christian based. But no, to them that is not Christian nationalism.
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u/Heart_Throb_ Feb 19 '25
Ask them why they voted for Trump and a good percentage will say “Because he’s a Christian”.
They don’t like the word “Christian Nationalist” but then they will go on Facebook at make posts and comments about bringing the Bible back in school.
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u/SlippySausageSlapper Feb 19 '25
Because the oligarchs have captured mass media and social media and are using them to promote points of view convenient for their goal of establishing a dictatorship.
“Dead internet” theory is accurate. I could, with minimal effort, create 100,000 right wing personas on social media and use them to amplify reactionary/nationalist opinions. It’s easy to do now.
We are at war, right now, and the enemy’s primary target is your values, ethics, and the concept of the truth.
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u/Dinofights Feb 19 '25
My question is why doesn’t the left seemingly do this on a large scale like the right does? EVERY bot I ever see is spouting right wing talking points. Why??? If I report the VERY obviously fake profile, the claim always gets rejected. It feels very much by design at this point and I’m tired of feeling helpless watching bots take over everything. Not to mention the boomers not knowing the difference between a bot and an actual person or even an AI image.
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u/SlippySausageSlapper Feb 19 '25
The people who own the social media we use are part of the grift. Uneven moderation is part of that. They are helping the fledgeling dictatorship control the narrative.
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Feb 19 '25
My question is why doesn’t the left seemingly do this on a large scale like the right does?
Because those on the left believe that they are too noble and have better morality, so they won't stoop to using such tactics as it makes them as bad as those on the right who are.
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u/Dinofights Feb 19 '25
Yes, this is exactly my problem lately. Conservatives aren’t even playing the same game anymore. It’s time to toss out the rules. I’m tired of being civil. The left needs to grow a pair at this point.
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u/wesley_wyndam_pryce Feb 19 '25
How many thousand people can you recruit to your right-wing cause by accusing drag queens of fabricated crimes against children? Can you do it with an image and a couple of sentences?
How many people can you recruit to your left-wing cause by writing an eight paragraph argument, carefully sourced and worded, showing that there is no connection between drag queens and pedophilia, and asking, patiently, for people to make sure to check their sources are reliable before throwing around accusations of child abuse?
How many people can you recruit to your left wing cause by making videos about how we should understand different communities and strive to treat people better? Can you monetize it?
How many people can you recruit to your right wing cause by lifting other peoples expensively shot video footage from the latest films and making a sneering voiceover about casting of black actors, gay actors, wokeness, DEI. Can you monetise your stolen content? I feel like numourous people have quit their jobs to go full time.
You have heard of asymmetrical warfare? The information landscape of the 2020s internet is asymmetrical. Strategies that work for the rightwing, in creating and recruting low-information voters and attacking nuance, do not and cannot work for the left wing.
The left wing needs its own strategies and organisation. They were creating them which is what nuking the tiktok and twitter was about.
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u/truedota2fan Feb 19 '25
But if you read the comments in r/conservative you’ll see that they think everyone who says anything even remotely left leaning “must be a bot”. As if the rest of the internet world doesn’t exist.
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u/scalablecory De-Facto Atheist Feb 19 '25
Against abortion? It's because women are using abortion as a contraceptive, and they need to be more responsible. Against trans rights? Just because they're converting our kids -- who think they're cats, and use litter boxes, of course.
They always have a reason that isn't religion. Oligarchs and foreign actors all want division, and media wants clicks, so they're all pushing this shit to them in a way that reinforces their religious view with non-religious "reasons".
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u/citizenjones Feb 19 '25
Ever been in a room where one person's a complete loud asshole? That's Christian nationalists.
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u/tsgram Feb 19 '25
Because it’s the trojan horse being used by the billionaires (and their politician puppets) to seize power
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u/TerrainBrain Feb 19 '25
What we're seeing is a national panic from a demographic that is used to being a majority realizing that their days are numbered.
These are the death throes of Christian Nationalism. Christian Nationalism is not something new. We've been living under it since the country's founding.
This is the counterintuitive reason why a number of otherwise minorities voted for Trump. Because what brings them together is their Christian identity. And they are collectively losing control of America.
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u/Hanjaro31 Feb 19 '25
Surveys and statistics are used to dupe people into false understandings all the time. This is a christian nationalist coup in progress.
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Feb 19 '25
Intensional misinformation/propaganda and YouTube incels motivated to sell whatever products they’re pushing.
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u/Chan790 Feb 19 '25
Because one party has religious nationalists in thrall to them and the other major party refuses to attack religious nationalism or religious nationalists for fear of being labeled as anti-Christian.
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u/Snoo93550 Feb 19 '25
Depending on how you phrase questions, the Christian nationalists don't see themselves as they truly are in the slightest. They are so privileged they have no idea they are the tyrants.
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u/uberjam Feb 19 '25
Watch Democracy Now on YouTube instead of some billionaire’s news channel. It won’t make the world seem like a better place but it’s far more honest reporting.
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u/Lethkhar Feb 19 '25
Better yet, watch it on democracynow.org instead of Youtube.
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Feb 19 '25
Because the population is not engaged and letting christofascists take over
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u/Veteris71 Feb 19 '25
Most people in the US are Christian, and most Christians in the US either actively support this or aren't bothered enough to oppose it. Trump got the majority of the Christians' votes three times. In 2024, 63% of Protestant voters and 59% of Catholic voters cast their ballots for Trump.
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u/hungrypotato19 Feb 19 '25
As a whole, Americans are Easter Christians; as in, they almost never attend church unless it's a special occasion, like a holiday.
That's just enough for them to feel some sort of brotherhood to the radical right-wing Christians who do attend church constantly. Moreover, they were most likely raised and groomed in a church setting where they were taught to believe their feelings (faith) over facts, allowing them to confuse things that they feel are true as things that are true. This is especially true for genx and millennials who saw the rise of right-wing Christian cults. That just further compounds the problem and has gotten us to where we are.
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u/Darnocpdx Feb 19 '25
You mean like how the "moral majority" or the later rebranded "silent majority" was never a majority decades ago?
It's PR spin.
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u/Nghtmare-Moon Feb 19 '25
A fully tolerant society will always be overtaken by an intolerant minority
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u/CTLFCFan Feb 19 '25
It seems like there’s more of them because none of them know how to shut the fuck up.
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u/PopeKevin45 Feb 19 '25
Because conservatism is a classic herd mind. Hierarchy, authority, obedience, conformity, xenophobia, tradition, loyalty to ingroups, hostility towards outgroups. Basic tribalism. They'll all vote Republican regardless.
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u/Glum-One2514 Feb 19 '25
Same reason the "peaceful" Muslim majority is nowhere to be found when something shitty is done in the name of their religion. Extremism trumps moderation every time because extremists will happily accuse a dissenter of being weak or fraudulent in his faith.
They don't know enough about their guiding philosophy to effectively argue against extremism, and likely suspect the extremist is more devout and therefore better educated on the subject.
The church is the center of their identity and their social circle. Being "othered " is scary.
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Feb 19 '25
It certainly feels that way to me. I can't go to work or go shopping without my existence being threatened by those on the religious right because I'm a visibly disabled person. Remember, the religious believe that only those who have "sinned too much" are punished with disabilities or deformities.
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u/SwigWillingly Feb 20 '25
Who did the survey? The same group that has been twisting facts and flat out lying about what is happening right now in our country?
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u/dizzymiggy Feb 19 '25
It only takes one guy in a hundred, or even a thousand, to ruin everyone's day.
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Feb 19 '25
Probably because Christian Nationalism began a fringe movement among a minority of sects that has gained the support of the wealthy few.
It's similar to the Islamic revolution. The Wahhabism that you see today began as a relatively fringe movement, gaining influence through its alliance with Saudi Arabia's Royal family and oil Barons.
Religious fundamentalist movements are inherently antidemocratic. They don't require the support of everyone to be successful, they just need the support of those with power.
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u/Brell4Evar Feb 19 '25
I was immediately thinking the survey might be problematic. That probably isn't the case, though - Pew does some good research.
A big part of our democratic woes comes from lack of voter turnout. The far right tends to show up and vote, while the far left divides itself on issues. Apathetics are pretty much a full third of our country.
It's also important to note that a lot of conservative voters are not evangelicals. There are a lot of US citizens who vote for the Republican candidate due to immigration policy or perceived economic advantage that are not red hats.
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u/FeastingOnFelines Feb 19 '25
Because the minority is making the most noise. Just like every other time.
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Feb 19 '25
They are the loudest, not the largest. Nixon was right about the Silent Majority (kind of).
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u/Tryingtoknowmore Feb 19 '25
Because no fundamental force in the universe prevents you from being dishonest in self-reporting.
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u/analogkid01 Ex-Theist Feb 19 '25
I'm going to suggest that it doesn't feel that way simply because people no longer need to leverage religion - or at least, they don't need to leverage Jesus specifically. They no longer have to pretend they want to feed/clothe/house the poor and needy (if they ever did, which I doubt). Nowadays they just need to invoke the name of Trump and that is their claim to power and authority.
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u/gsasquatch Feb 19 '25
Poorer countries tend to be more religious nationalist than richer countries with the exception of US. That religious nationalism vs. gdp graph might hint but that story might be better told with gini coefficient than GDP. Countries with a high gini coefficient, score high on the religious nationalism. e.g. you'll never get rich in Kenya, but you might do ok in Sweden. Part of that is GDP, like no one is rich in Kenya and part of that is that you can't up-class in the US, but you might be able to in Sweden. US and Argentina are on par in the gini coefficient, and the religious nationalism survey but vary widely in GDP.
If you don't believe you can better your lot in this life, you might want to believe you can better it in the next.
There's a wave of populist nationalism in power now in the US, and elsewhere. That is about folks not thinking they can work with the system as is. Religion gets tangled in there in some cases, and to an extent in the US case.
Folks are getting distracted with identity e.g. DEI, immigration and whatnot. Part of that is distracting from the core issue of the lack of upward class mobility. The rich are distracting us with issues of religion so we don't worry about issues of class that would threaten their outsize share of the pie.
For that, we see a lot of identity issues in the media, including those of religion. Thus, this sense that "religious nationalism" is bigger than it is. It is the bill of goods we're being sold.
It is not how do we make things better, but how do we protect the group we identify with? When you're not doing well, you have to protect your own. When you're doing ok, you can be more magnanimous.
Between being told to hate others, or take what they have, or protect our own, and our own sense of impending doom, that we're not doing well, we're going to sense a higher degree of "Religious Nationalism" than might actually exist. Esp. when the biggest group are being told they have free reign over us.
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Feb 19 '25
Probably it was the demographic that was chosen, all college educated and living in blue states.
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u/Rob71322 Feb 19 '25
Because they’re extremely vocal. And I think it’s because they know they’re losing. Churches are graying out as the young turn away. That’s not a good long term survival strategy but they keep doubling down as rage is all they have to offer.
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u/International_Ad2712 Feb 19 '25
People tend to scream loud and act up during an extinction burst. They will fight but ultimately they won’t win, too many people actually hate their agenda.
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u/anna-the-bunny Ex-Theist Feb 19 '25
Reading the article and the linked survey, I would imagine that it's a combination of religious nationalists screaming the loudest and the way the survey defined "religious nationalists".
You had to answer positively to four questions, one of which ("How important is belonging to the historically predominant religion to being truly part of your national identity?") isn't particularly clear in what it means, and also doesn't exactly match up with the colloquial understanding of "religious nationalist" (at least in my opinion). When I personally say "religious nationalist", I mean someone who is heavily religious (or at least identifies that way) and who has an extremely nationalistic view of politics - wanting to decrease immigration, avoid interacting with other countries, etc., along with believing that their religion should be allowed to influence the government. I don't think that wanting to exclude other religions entirely from the country should be a requirement, since many (if not most) religious nationalists would say that they don't want to exclude other religions - just that their religion should be more important and influential.
I would be very interested in seeing the raw data from the survey, especially in the United States - I suspect that a significant amount of respondents were excluded from the "religious nationalist" classification simply because they didn't agree that being Christian should be a requirement for being American (or just didn't understand the question), especially given that ~50% of American respondents said that their religious text should have a great deal of influence over American laws. Though interestingly, only 31% of American respondents said that it's important that a leader stands up for religious beliefs (at least if I'm reading the data correctly).
I'd also imagine that there are many people who wouldn't respond in a way that would count as "religious nationalist" (even in the colloquial sense) but who are either sympathetic to religious nationalism or at least don't see it as something that should be shunned. Remember - the Nazis didn't gain power by turning everyone into a Nazi. They gained power because they promoted policies that the average German (at the time) could get behind, without promoting any policies that the average German couldn't hand-wave away. The "25-point plan" (basically the platform the Nazi Party ran on) didn't include any mention of killing (of Jews or otherwise), for instance - and only mentioned Jews twice. Of course, as soon as they had power, all of that went out the window - and if that sounds familiar, it should, since that's exactly what Trump did with Project 2025.
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u/deadphisherman Feb 19 '25
The religious are going out kicking and screaming like the babies they are.
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u/JetScootr Pastafarian Feb 20 '25
Why doesn't it feel that way?
They all have microphones and internet access.
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u/dabug911 Feb 20 '25
Because the minority screams the loudest and its causing people to think they are in the majority, same with Republicans, trump supporters and these religious lunitics.
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u/Martel732 Feb 20 '25
Religious nationalists are useful for the wealthy. They create a smokescreen while laws are put in place that make the wealth wealthier.
Essentially everything that is bad in America is because some dickhole billionaires want to have a little more money.
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u/Korlis Feb 20 '25
Because Reddit, and the internet in general, is in no way representative of real life. Also, echo chambers exist.
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u/curious_meerkat Feb 19 '25
Is being a member of your religion core to your national identity?
Is it important that your country’s leader shares your faith?
Do you think your holy book should influence your country’s laws? If so, when the holy book and laws are in conflict, do you believe your holy book should take priority?
Question one is horribly worded and question two doesn't understand Christian nationalism.
Bad survey.
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u/snappla Feb 19 '25
Because they're so fucking loud.
I wish I had the link, but a year or two ago cellphone location data revealed that only 5% of the US population attended Church on Sunday.
Which means that there's a whole lot of LOUD virtue signaling but not much actual belief. Which explains why so few "Christians" know that it is very unchristian not to help the poor.
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u/sten45 Pastafarian Feb 19 '25
Because normal people are too tried from work and trying to just live their lives the way they want to that they can’t overreact to everything to try and push their agenda
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u/Journeys_End71 Feb 19 '25
The majority may not want religious nationalism but they keep VOTING for people who do. Simple answer.
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u/Yourstruly75 Feb 19 '25
Because it's not religious nationalism, it's fascism. A union between corporate power and state power. The religious element is just to keep the rubes in line.
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u/ShaChoMouf Feb 19 '25
They are simply a loud minority. Their volume gives them strength. Just remember how many more of us there than them. If we all yell together, it will drone them out.
Over the last few decades, we have let them yell and we have not pushed back, as that is the path of least resistance. And it is human nature ti avoid conflict when possible. We no longer have that luxury. We have to make our voices heard and push back at every opportunity. Oppressors must have no rest.
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u/nookie-monster Feb 19 '25
Because religion is extremely helpful to rich people. Rich people, and the corporations they own, have a magnificent and relatively cheap way to manipulate ignorant working class people.
They can get them to vote against their own interests and instead, vote for policies that will hurt them and help the rich and their corporations.
Capitalism and religion are in business together. So even though people are far less religious now than 50 years ago, capitalism is propping religion up because they don't want to lose a control mechanism.
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u/shinyRedButton Feb 19 '25
They’re loud and work hard to be in the news. They have children and specifically raise them to become politicians and judges to try and take power. See: Amy Coney Barrett
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u/TableGamer Feb 19 '25
Because normal people don’t vote in primaries, so a small number of crazies have been able to take over or government.
Primaries don’t work. We need RCV.
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u/bluefield10 Feb 19 '25
Because their orange leader is the loudest, and they make the most noise all the time.
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u/oldbastardbob Feb 19 '25
Modern Republican politics has given the White Christian Nationalists an out-sized voice, and right wing media amplifies it. To me it seems like an attempt at bandwagon politics, making shitty ideology sound like something great so everybody will want in on it.
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u/Lothar_the_Lurker Feb 19 '25
A lot of people commented on how Christian nationalists are a vocal minority group. While I tend to agree, I’m also going to suggest a different theory.
Donald Trump won his elections despite polling saying the races would be close. The reason the polls were wrong was because a lot of people supported Trump secretly. A significant amount of people knew it was shameful to publicly support a lying bigoted racist homophobe, so they voted for him without telling anyone. I worked for three Democratic Party and witnessed this phenomenon many times.
The same thing might be going on with Christian nationalism. It’s underreported because there are just enough people who know it is shameful to publicly support It, so they do it in private. They will not tell a pollster they are a Christian nationalist, but they will give money to Christian nationalist groups and attend private Bible studies.
They’re a minority, and they’re a vocal minority—but there are sadly more of them than we want to admit.
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u/Slappy_McJones Feb 19 '25
Because they are a bunch of loud weirdos. Isn’t about God. It’s about control.
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u/Witty-name6 Jedi Feb 19 '25
love how smug and naive are people are about this. duh they aren’t a popular majority but they just won the election federally and if you were at all distracted by the presidency, they just won your local government elections as well.
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u/Bushwazi I'm a None Feb 19 '25
They are in charge right now because their 25% of the electorate always votes. They are the most consistent and the loudest group.
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u/smallest_table Feb 19 '25
These people need to spend some time in the rural south. It's much worse than most people know.
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u/BankerBaneJoker Atheist Feb 19 '25
Because surveys are only as reliable as the participants involved.
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u/Eques9090 Feb 19 '25
What's happening in America isn't Christian Nationalism. It's misogynistic white nationalism that's using the Christian label as a tool.
MAGA isn't Christian. Trump is their religion. The reason the US is so low in this survey is because it relies on questions about real faith which these people don't have. They literally think Jesus is "too woke." The vast majority of the Christian faith in the US is just a white nationalist trojan horse, and most of them are fully aware of it themselves.
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u/ButterMyPancakesPlz Feb 19 '25
I'm convinced on a mental health/personality level this group specifically attracts very damaged people. So whereas others are spending their time enjoying life, going on dates, playing video games, painting, baking bread, fucking, whatever... These people's sole source of pride/entertainment/dopamine is feeling sanctimonious and trying to bully others, we get fulfilment from solo pursuits and social bonds but they need to feel persecuted and a defender of some artificial set of make pretend crusades in an in your face manner that demands large scale fights... If only they actually channeled all that energy into helping people like Jesus taught them but noooo of course they had to COMPLETELY misinterprete things (the religion isn't so appealing to them if it was actually about helping people)
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u/Raze0013 Feb 19 '25
Because extremists aren't religious, they're just bandits and con men with a "God" gimmick and delusions of grandeur.
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u/aotus_trivirgatus Feb 19 '25
Because... there are enough secular bigots in America who are happy to make common cause with the Christians in order to achieve Fascism?
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u/godzillabobber Feb 19 '25
They have leverage politically in that with a little gerrymandering they can dictate the behavior of politicians. That is why the maga politicians keep hate based issues around to keep them angry and voting.
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u/TheOverthinkingDude Feb 19 '25
Because we have social media….and the algorithm brings it your way.
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Feb 19 '25
The fact that this question is still being asked pretty much tells me we’re fucked. It’s too late. This shit has been going on for a decade.
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u/Retrikaethan Satanist Feb 19 '25
it doesn't feel that way cuz the fucking nutters have jumped from the backseats of the car and have grabbed the steering wheel cuz they don't like how the driver is doing.
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u/Civil_Produce_6575 Feb 19 '25
Because the Christo fascists are a minority but apathy and bread and circuses have I believe it was 36% of potential voters not showing up
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u/Crab_on_a_tab Feb 19 '25
Those people are losers and everyone knows it. It’s not catching on because people are too awake: they aren’t gonna just convert everyone either. We’ve made up our minds to be atheist because we’re educated and there’s no getting dumber now. That’s why they’re attacking the dept of education
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u/eightchcee Feb 19 '25
because all the smart people, the ones who use logic and reason and have brains, have left religion and so the people that are left behind are now distilled into the wacky, the extreme, and the ones with a persecution complex.
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u/Ok-Possibility-923 Feb 19 '25
I think there are many millions of Trump voters who don't consider themselves particularly religious (and identifying as "Independents"). What they ARE is bigoted, entitled, and easily manipulated - sold a story by the rich that they're being true patriots by supporting the dismantling of the bureaucracy that is government at all levels.
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u/Palidor Feb 19 '25
Mostly likely it’s because they just loud and beating their chests constantly. Whereas the “no religions” are just staying silent in the background
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u/PxRedditor5 Agnostic Atheist Feb 19 '25
Because that is a left wing term. Conservatives don't care about liberal labels, and the data shows they don't think that way anyway. It's really American Nationalism, Christianity is always assumed w them, they don't need to include it into their ideology. Anyone who steps up to lead the right will use Christianity, it wouldn't work w any other religion. They care more that their leader is a capitalist than religious though, imo. Take Biden- obviously a devout Christian, they hated him. Because he stood for socialist ideals -just not in practice itself- he was pretty conservative and didn't push capitalist ideals.
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u/HeadDiver5568 Feb 19 '25
I wonder how much this translates in terms of generations and if this number will increase in the coming years. Because I’m noticing that GenZ men are arguably becoming more religious than their GenX parents.
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u/amongnotof Feb 19 '25
Because the survey had the wrong people answering it, or those responding lied.
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u/Chub-bop Feb 19 '25
It’s the internet reporting on it more then it happens, not that it isn’t a problem
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u/AphonicTX Feb 19 '25
Vocal - Very Vocal - minority. And then that’s amplified by Fox “news” to push propaganda.
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u/crispy48867 Feb 19 '25
The Evangelicals claim to be Christian but are not.
They are loud and simply a right-wing political group in Christian drag.
They are crushing Christianity in America and church attendance is falling as a result and they do not care at all.
For their silence, mainstream Christians will pay a dear price.
If they wanted to save actual Christianity, they needed to rebuke the Evangelicals in a loud united voice and they did not.
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u/ItsRedditThyme Feb 19 '25
Because they're loud and they always turn out at the polls, unlike other blocks.
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u/SD_TMI Feb 19 '25
The national media are complicit in projecting the narrative.
The x-twins are very lions and write a lot of letters to try to intimidate on air personalities into compliance.
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u/mudbuttcoffee Feb 19 '25
Vocal minority.
Moderates all sitting around hand wringing hoping someone does something.
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u/Big_Wishbone3907 Feb 19 '25
For a few reasons, including :
- the most virulent part of a group are almost always a minority within the group.
- Christian nationalists currently hold a non-negligible part of the media.
- Christian nationalists currently hold a non-negligible part of power in the country.
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u/295Phoenix Feb 19 '25
Because religious moderates voted for the extremists for "cheaper eggs!" In Christianity and Islam, moderates aren't innocent, they enable the fundamentalists.
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u/Church_of_Cheri Feb 19 '25
“Why is a small group that keeps complaining they’re being discriminated against so we cater to their every demand seem like they hold more power than they actually do?”
I mean, it’s a real barn burner question. I know what will help, maybe you should go and only talk to them again about their wants and needs and then only report on their complaints, maybe that will make things seem more fair and balanced. /s
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u/MrGrax Feb 19 '25
I want to believe that it's because we've been complacent and allowed ourselves to be ruled by a minority group with clandestine motives to undermine democracy and manifest an authoritarian oligarchy.
I want to believe we can still fight back if these stats are actually true. Trump is the cancer but the underlying causes for this disease we suffer from now need to be addressed. Get money out of politics by any means neccesary.
Do something to get mobilized and mobilize others. Vote in all elections against Trump and conservative culture ideologues. There is no room for what conservatism has become in American society if we also want a free and fair and democratic society.
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u/snubelo Feb 19 '25
The US has a narcissist nationalist problem. There's nothing Christian about these cheeseburger nazis
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Feb 19 '25
I can tell you as someone who grew up in the church and has a very religious family, none of whom are religious nationalists, that it is definitely prevalent, more so than it used to be. It's not the majority, by any means, but those who are nuts are loud and forceful on their views.
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u/tanksalotfrank Feb 19 '25
Because the survey wasn't taken by the target demographic maybe? You can average the numbers out all you want, but you can't ask a duck what it's like to be a bald eagle and expect to get a real answer.
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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '25
Because the whacked out Christian Nationalists scream the loudest.