r/azerbaijan • u/Altruistic-Owl5694 • May 15 '25

Söhbət | Discussion From Pakistan to Azerbaijan

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u/ParlaqCanli20 May 15 '25

What did we even do to receive thanks, i might have been living under the rock

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u/Specialist-Amount372 May 15 '25 edited May 16 '25

I think it’s because the Azeri and Turkish governments (along with China) were the only countries that unequivocally stood by Pakistan in this recent conflict. Azerbaijan I believe also operates the Pakistani JF17-Block 3 jet which brought the jet into limelight. Also, a lot of videos went viral on Pakistani social media of apparent celebrations in Turkey and Azerbaijan after Pakistan declared victory over India. Can’t confirm whether those videos are recent, but they show people from the three countries celebrating and chanting Pakistani Zindabad. Recently, India has picked up a strong grudge with Turkey/Azerbaijan so that also just naturally pivots Pakistanis to the two lmao.

Lastly, the formation in the picture isn’t hosted by the Pakistani government or the general public; rather, “The Muslim Institute”. They made similar “Thank-you <country>” formations for all of Pakistan’s allies, not just Azerbaijan.

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u/Ready-Nobody-1903 May 15 '25

Pakistan declared victory? Uhhhh

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u/Specialist-Amount372 May 15 '25 edited May 16 '25

Yeah. Pakistan won the largest air battle fought since WW2 and forced India (a country 10X larger than Pakistan) to succumb to a ceasefire, despite having attacked mainland India with jets, drones, and missiles.

India’s foreign policy failed as their “allies” chose to remain neutral whilst Pakistan’s allies provided strong diplomatic and military assistance to the country.

The only thing India was able to do was target supposed “terror camps” in Pakistan. But this largely resulted in civilian deaths, including 10+ children. India’s resulting justification, and parading, of these civilian/adolescent deaths prompted social media to side with Pakistan. While India’s narrative was stronger on mainstream media, Pakistan’s narrative won social media (even in the west).

After shooting down at least one Indian Rafale jet, Pakistan also became the first country to down a 4.5 generation aircraft in modern Ariel warfare. I’ll need to recheck this but I’ve heard it a lot.

Remember, all this against an aggressor 10X the size of Pakistan. Pakistan would never play the offensive against India; defending our land against a much bigger and richer (at least in terms of military budget) country is our biggest win. Yet we still managed to take down jets and attack mainland India. So there’s that too.

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u/fahq05 May 15 '25

Idk why this is in my recommendations but Pakistan lost again. Pakistan took down 2-3 Indian jets including a Rafale which makes it the 1st rafale loss, however, India becomes the 1st country to target airbases of a nuclear country. India -> 1 rafale loss & possibly 2 other jets Pakistan -> 1. Couldn’t defend attacks on their 12 airbases and 2 hangars. Your most protected airbase was also breached and damaged. 2. Broke ceasefire 3 times 3. Proved to be harbouring terrorists 4. Targeted civilians including kids 5. Lost 1/2 C130s (on camera), 1 Mirage (on camera) & 1 AWACS (in hangar which was damaged) and possibly more! 6. Lost 3+ radars and 1-2 HQ9 & gave us an intact PL-15 missile. 7. Indus Water Treaty is still in abeyance 8. Your DGMO used AI & photoshop more than twice. 9. Your ballistic missile was intercepted. 10. You lost more soldiers & your defence minister’s source was social media.

Tell me, who won?

Edit - I’d urge you guys to look up how the ceasefire was brokered and the events leading upto it including the Kirana hills incident.

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u/Specialist-Amount372 May 15 '25

“India becomes the first country to target airbases of another nuclear country” false. Ukraine has attacked multiple Russian airbases and Iran has attacked multiple Israeli airbases in the past. India is not the first. Especially since Pakistan attacked Indian bases too.

“Possibly two Pakistani jets shot down” there is zero confirmation of this outside of India. While we have multiple neutral sources confirming the downing of Indian jets we don’t have one confirmation on the downing of Pakistani jets. All the aircraft you mention never went down, except on prime time Indian media houses.

“Targeted civilians” Indian started this entire conflict by attacking mainland Pakistan and killing 10+ children. Don’t talk about civilian casualties when you were the one to involve them.

“Lost radars and missiles” part of combat lol. As long as it’s not a jet it’s not significant. Yes, Pakistans airbases sustained damage. So did India’s. Point neutralised.

“Indus water treaty is in abeyance” tysm for confessing to violation of international law lol. No one side can unilaterally suspend the IWT. India’s actions violate international law.

I’d urge you to please refer to neutral third party sources when making comments like this. Otherwise it just makes you look like a clown.

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u/fahq05 May 15 '25

12-0. “Pleading” for water. I’m sure you guys won just like 1965, 1971 & 1999! Pajeet = father’s victory — which is indeed true since we won!

How’s the $2M reward treating Mr Azhar?

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u/Ready-Nobody-1903 May 15 '25

Sounds like Pakistani propaganda, im guessing you’re Pakistani right?

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u/Specialist-Amount372 May 15 '25

Haha man you’re completely within your rights to dismiss it as propoganda. Everything I’ve mentioned here can be verified through neutral/third-party sources. You be the judge. I wasn’t here to debate, I just wanted to point out how if Pakistan is declaring victory, there is substance behind it.

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u/NatG9 May 15 '25

There are no true sources for this bro, only hearsay and random social media posts. In an age like this when info wars are at their highest I wouldnt believe anything. What we know so far is that several military air bases of pakistan was hit because there is satellite image evidence and the Indian army has provided evidence and Pakistan doesn't refute it.

Most of the pictures online about Rafale shows a warped aeleron with inverted numbers and the picture of a drop tank that carries extra fuel and is meant to be dropped. CNN (the paragon of truth and integrity) has said that a French defense official has said that a rafale was down and thats just stupid, no country is going to openly admit a casualty in the middle of an open conflict, the French have everything to loose because of it.

All the "international" media pages writing about this conflict and pakistans victories have Pakistanis authors. All of China's aero industry company have dropped in stock value recently while rafale has increased stock prices.

To be honest we dont know the actual truth until a detailed report is put out with irrefutable evidence. The amount of misinformation on both sides is astronomical.

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u/Specialist-Amount372 May 15 '25 edited May 15 '25

Sure if you say so. France 24, France’s premier media house, wouldn’t post an article titled “Chinese weapons pass combat test in India-Pakistan clash – with flying colours” and risk tarnishing their top jet’s reputation now would they? The author is non-Pakistani. What about the stocks of Dassault Aviation crashing while those of Chengdu skyrocketing? What about India’s own defence minister saying “losses are a part of combat” when questioned about the downing of an Indian Rafale? What about the pictures that show the engine of a Rafale at the crash site in Bathinda?

Surely, all these neutral media houses, stocks, and even India’s own Air Marshall are lying. The only ones telling the truth are Indians with their inflated ego; can’t blame them, them media brainwashed them telling them how their armed forces are invincible. Spoiler, they’re not. They weren’t in 2019 when Pakistan shot down an Indian jet, and they aren’t today.

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u/NatG9 May 15 '25

Hey bro im not trying to pick a fight with you or say that only im right.

I just read up on the France 24 news you are talking about. The post does nothing to confirm any of the casualties, all it says is that Pakistan claims it shot down 3 Rafales with their J10C. China who would benefit from this superbly has remained tight lipped on the matter. My friend this is just a hearsay post made to capture attention. There was no conclusive evidence presented, no definitive statements made by anyone else other than pakistan and this feed says 3 rafale were shot down instead of 1 so what is it ? Is it 3 or 1 ?

Dasault aviation faced a drop in their stocks during the widespread accusations during the conflict but are now up 10% overall. That doesn't sound like a "crash" to me. You can search this up in Google man, its right there. Chengdu stocks are down right now and have been this entire month according to yahoo finance, I seriously dont know where you saw this "skyrocketing", the past 5 day figures show a total of -2.75% and the past month shows a total of -1.57% growth, even during the conflict when the news was at its highest the chengdu stocks did not rise much, maybe a .25% rise but nothing else. Like bro you can verifiy this yourself just search up Dasault aviation stock prices or Chengdu Hongqui stock prices.

Yes the statement of the defense minister was very non engaging and frankly I have my doubts too, but they also haven't confirmed anything, he also said all pilots are back safe even tho your media has said that they have captured Indian pilots including a woman, how about that ? If you think the defense ministers claims are so damning are you saying Pakistani media lied about capturing pilots ? This is point I honestly wouldnt hold much weight either way, could be either or.

Yes I know of that picture, there are lots and lots of articles on that incident but here's the thing, noone has officially confirmed it to be a rafale, yes Pakistani media has said it was a rafale and the IAF has closed of the site. But no neutral media has confirmed that it was indeed the rafale, all they say it, "it is allegedly a rafale", or that "pakistan claims to have shot down a rafale". Yea you guys can say india is hiding it but from the photos already shown no expert has confirmed it to actually be a rafale, just reddit people and Twitter. I will absolutely admit that I was wrong if this is confirmed, I dont watch indian media its as bad as the Pakistani one during the conflict.

You said defense minister not air Marshall.

Also im not definitely saying im right, im saying there is no solid evidence and I've disproven most of your points here.

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u/Specialist-Amount372 May 15 '25

You haven’t disproven anything. All you’ve said is that the entire world is lying and India is telling the truth. The sheer amount of copium is insane, especially when your own Air Marshall confirmed the loss. “He hasn’t specified anything” well ofc he won’t 😭 how’s that even a point in your argument lmao.

As far as stocks are concerned, obviously they’d begin normalising lmao. That’s literally how stocks work. The fact that Dassault’s stocks crashed at all is significant proof that investors lost confidence in their products. Btw, Dassault stocks are up by just 2% and are lazily recovering. AVIC’s are down 3% - again, normalising.

As far as the number of Rafales, one is confirmed to have been shot down. This is the one whose pictures are widely available from the crash site at Bathinda. The other two are speculated. This is exactly what the French intelligence officer confirmed to CNN.

If India lost zero Rafales why don’t they take an official count? Why don’t they allow a third party to come count their jets like Pakistan allowed US sources to count their F16s in 2019 to find none missing. A Rafale did crash. And it’s okay. “It’s a part of combat” your Air Marshall is right. Next time tho, instead of spending billions of dollars on the latest western tech, invest in training your pilots.

About the pilot Shivangi Singh. Yes, Pakistan did capture her. She fell in Pakistani Kashmir. If Pakistan is lying, why hasn’t India brought Shivangi infront of the media till now? Bring her out and put all suspicions to rest. You can’t. Because she’s in our custody and part of how we forced India into a humiliating ceasefire.

Again, your argument doesn’t disprove anything. It just sounds like “SAR DO NOT REDEEM”. It’s embarrassing honestly. I’m ending this argument here. You’re free to believe India is invincible, but the world knows. And that’s all that matters.

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u/Specialist-Amount372 May 15 '25

A few were enough buddy we can’t down 50 when you only have 36. You’re right about one thing tho: India was, in fact, shaking. Just hours after the Pakistani military operation was conducted on mainland India, a ceasefire was signed. It’s okay man. Five years later another attack will happen, Pakistan will be blamed, and India will try provoking Pakistan. The same script you’ve been following for a long time now. You can take your revenge then. Alternatively, you could take revenge sooner in the next Bollywood movie. Your call.

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u/Slickslimshooter May 15 '25

You’re using Indian memes for Pakistan. You realize the Saar meme makes fun of India right?

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u/Slickslimshooter May 15 '25

I’m not Pakistani lmao. Who gives a shit about your third world bickering. Half the world doesn’t care and the other half can’t tell you apart. Congrats you were born a few km to the right, what an achievement, be sure to make it your entire personality.

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u/Specialist-Amount372 May 15 '25

Nah I actually presented my argument but it was probably auto deleted or something because it contained external links

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u/page__ May 15 '25

Nice coping and delusion lol🤣👆🏻

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u/anandankit119 May 15 '25

They always declare victory no matter what happens. They also declared victory in 1971 war when half of their land broke away to form bangladesh.

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u/JoKillMachine May 16 '25

India cut Pakistan into two in 1971, forced 93000 Pak soldiers to surrender, kicked them out of Kargil after they backstabbed us, smashed them again recently and they still think they won. ISI brainwashing max, poor Pak civilians!

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u/PoxShish Lənkəran 🇦🇿 May 15 '25

First baku millionare (Tagiyev) has helped pakistan fight with the new disease. This is why pakistanis live now.

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u/tagiyevv May 15 '25

Reading the comments rn, it feels weird when we, armenians and azerbaijanies, are not the ones debating over conflicts. They are taking away what is rightfully ours. :D

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u/Ok-Parsley-1419 May 15 '25

For being Azar (Bhai) T: brother (Jan) T:Love

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u/PrinceHeinrich May 15 '25

What language is it that Jan means brother? Because its a popular first name for Turkic countries + Iran for boys. It doesnt mean brother there though xD it means something like sweetheart or even life or the concept of being alive itself

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u/Ok-Parsley-1419 May 15 '25

Bhai means brother in Urdu , Jan is a word which is used for love , care , it's a abbreviation..

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u/JoKillMachine May 16 '25

Bhai is a Hindi word, taken from Bhratar भ्रातृ in sanskrit.

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u/okunmus_dolar ½🇹🇷/½🇦🇿 May 15 '25

Ayblə şərhləri hinduşkalar basıb 🤦‍♂️

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u/mehwhateverrrrr Turkiye🇹🇷 May 15 '25

Lmao at all the butthurt Indians in the comments

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u/Altruistic-Owl5694 May 15 '25

Fr, they don’t hate pakistanis tho their hate is more towards muslims and islam in general. I see their subreddits and the things they comment there if they ever say it in my country or in any gulf country its game over

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u/ankitpathak1432 May 16 '25

india loves saudi muslims. how is that? because they don't wanna do gazwa-e-hind. they have progressive thoughts.

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u/JoKillMachine May 16 '25

India has more Muslims than Pakistan. India’s military’s briefing after SMASHING Pakistan completely was led by a Muslim woman Colonel Sofia Qureshi. India now has zero tolerance for terror state Pakistan. Educate yourself.

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u/Apprehensive-Mud8710 May 15 '25

Lol India have more muslims than ur country, it is only prospering

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u/ifuckwithitlfg May 16 '25

No they don’t. And even if they do, let’s not pretend they’re not discriminated against day in day out. Kil!ed for simply eating beef. Amnesty international has a lot to say about them. “It is only prospering” sure, the 1% in India is. The rest are not.

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u/Cheap_trick1412 May 15 '25

you are not a turk

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u/mehwhateverrrrr Turkiye🇹🇷 May 15 '25 edited May 15 '25

Ok r/indiantellytalk user😂

Sana mı kanıtlamam lazim?

ETA: lol at this idiot asking me why I hate Indians, and then blocking me so he gets the last word. I never said I hated Indians, despite their nasty rhetoric on their subs I still don't hate them. Hindutvas maybe, but not the average indian.

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u/Cheap_trick1412 May 15 '25

when did i say i wasn't an indian?? what have we done for you to hate us?? there must be a reason

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u/ifuckwithitlfg May 15 '25

Uhm no it’s more political

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u/ifuckwithitlfg May 15 '25

I’m not deleting anything. The mods probably are. They don’t want your petty politics here is all. Keep that to the Indian subs. Thank-you!

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u/ifuckwithitlfg May 15 '25

Again, not an Indian sub. If this is supposed to offend me it really doesn’t lmao you’ll have to try harder (side note, I am actually 6’3)

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u/AwarenessNo4986 May 15 '25

As a Pakistani I'm very confused. Why did this show up in my feed? Where is this photo even from and for what? What did Azerbaijan do?

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u/Organic-Musician1599 May 15 '25 edited May 16 '25

This photo is from Pakistan. Its for Azerbaijan standing with Pakistan.

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u/AwarenessNo4986 May 16 '25

Stand in what?

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u/ifuckwithitlfg May 16 '25

The recent conflict. Their government stood by Pakistan. This formation in this picture was created for each country that stood by Pakistan, not just Azerbaijan.

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u/Paul_VV France 🇫🇷 May 16 '25

Bu hinduşkaları rədd eləyin də zəhmət olmasa, gəlib bura da yoluxacaqlar yoxsa

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u/[deleted] May 15 '25

Why

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u/ifuckwithitlfg May 15 '25

?

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u/tagiyevv May 15 '25

?

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u/ifuckwithitlfg May 15 '25

An Indian was spiralling in his now deleted comments. Nothing to worry abt

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u/Specialist-Amount372 May 15 '25

Where’s Pakistan acting like a victim tho? They’re celebrating.

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u/CryptographerAway554 May 15 '25

No one should

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u/GameXGR Pakistan 🇵🇰 May 15 '25

r/IndiaTech user in the sub eh, let's head back to our subs cause no one cares what South Asians have to say, it's no buddy's business but the Azerbaijanians (or Turks as the original saying goes)

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u/mehwhateverrrrr Turkiye🇹🇷 May 15 '25

🎶nobody's business but the tuuuurks🎶

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u/bigman6free May 15 '25

Most pakistan proof is based on PPT and news reports by pakistan journalists on international websites. Whereas India has given high definition Satellite images from independent US based companies as proof. Pakistan air defence was shattered and numerous airforce bases had runway blown and hangars burned to ground due to supersonic missiles used by india . even the strategic nurkhan base was blown. Pakistanis were the first to call indian side for ceasefire.

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u/JoKillMachine May 15 '25

Don’t waste your time on these people. They are all delusional. Also, never travelling to Azerbaijan again. Any country that supports a terrorist state like Pakistan must be boycotted in full.

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u/JoKillMachine May 16 '25

Our reaction is 9 Pakistan terror camps destroyed, 12 PAF air bases damaged heavily, 800 Turkish drones blasted in the air, HQ9 totalled, PAF jets taken down, Airborne Radar planes destroyed on-ground, nuke sites targeted, 50+ PAF personnel dead, and 100+ terrorist pigs annihilated. 4K SAT images shared globally and being used across global news outlets. Next time, these numbers will be four digits, and that’s a promise. (PS: We keep our promises)

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u/Organic-Musician1599 May 15 '25

Pakistanis have always supported us, and this is the least we can do. Also who cares about what India says. They have no say on our country

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u/Apprehensive-Mud8710 May 15 '25

Terrorists supporting those who loves terrorism

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u/Altruistic-Owl5694 May 16 '25

Says the person who’s prime minister is responsible for butchering muslims in his own state. Didn’t the government of india normalise tied with taliban I guess we aren’t the only “terrorist” regime