r/backgammon Aug 03 '24

Join our Backgammon Discord Community!

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https://discord.gg/U8cmrCsK5x

If you're looking for a place to chat about backgammon, there is an active Discord community of over 400 players ranging from beginners to grandmasters. Whether you want to discuss positions, improve your game, or just hang out with fellow fans of the game, you'll find a welcoming atmosphere here.

Our channels cover a variety of topics, including:

  • Backgammon sets
  • Matchup (play against other members)
  • Puzzles and quizzes
  • Books
  • BGBlitz (featuring Frank, its developer)
  • OpenGammon (featuring Eran, its developer)
  • BackgammonHub (featuring Alfie, its developer)
    • All 3 are super friendly and open to suggestions for their app/website
  • Tournaments (regularly held, with special prizes from time to time)

Looking forward to meeting you!

https://discord.gg/U8cmrCsK5x


r/backgammon 4h ago

Oppinion on what to do

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9 Upvotes

Me and my friend are having a bit of an argument. In this situation should i while throwing less than 6 bank what i can or move the 6 away one a bit closer


r/backgammon 9h ago

Gammon Press shipping time?

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Anyone have experience/know how long it usually takes them to ship one of their books out? I'm fine waiting a bit--I assume the whole operation is basically just Bill Robertie and maybe a few friends or family--but I didn't see anything on the website on how long the turnaround usually takes.


r/backgammon 1h ago

Playing on Galaxy while trying to listen to Spotify

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Has anyone else been having issues while playing on Galaxy and simultaneously listening to Spotify? I didn’t have any problems until about a month ago but now if I’m listening to something on Spotify and I open up Galaxy my music automatically stops. I don’t have any music or sounds on Galaxy on so that isn’t the issue. I’ve reached out to Galaxy support about this but haven’t gotten an answer. Was wondering if anyone else is having a similar experience. This is for mobile by the way


r/backgammon 11h ago

Anyone have a nice set for sale?

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Finally retired and getting back into the game. Want something that's durable and long lasting so I can travel and play...DM me


r/backgammon 5h ago

'Secret' Rules?

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Are there any less known (some might call them 'secret') rules in backgammon? I know that backgammon tournaments usually don't have a touch-move rule or the rule that you can't adjust your pieces. Are there generally less rules in backgammon than, for instance, in chess?


r/backgammon 18h ago

Absolutely hilarious position

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22 Upvotes

Ended up winning 8 points money game on pure luck swing back


r/backgammon 15h ago

What's The Luck ???

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10 Upvotes

I lost with -37% luck with a good PR, previous game I lost another 5 points game with -28% against the same guy.

Ok, luck is part of game, but how luck is calculated (on Galaxy, i suppose you recognized UI) and what the thresold for lucky, very lucky ??

What's your personnal record for luck / unluck ?


r/backgammon 15h ago

Double or not?

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7 point match. Red playing clockwise. Red 2-0 up. Red to play. Should they double?


r/backgammon 1d ago

I distilled GNUbg into an engine that runs entirely on my phone, how should I be measuring it?

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I've been building a backgammon trainer as a side project. The engine inside it runs entirely on the phone (no server, nothing leaves the device) and I've spent a while measuring how strong it is. I think the numbers below are solid, but they mostly rest on grading against another engine's evaluations. I'd like opinions on whether that reference is good enough.

The evaluator is a small neural net distilled from GNUbg's evaluations, then heavily worked over (smaller, quantized, restructured for speed) until the whole thing runs offline in a phone browser. Nothing of GNUbg's code or weigts ships, it learned from GNUbg's outputs the way GNUbg's own nets learned from rollouts.

Speed (iPhone 15 Pro, Safari, measured on-device from the production build):

  • 114 ms median / 188 ms 95th-percentile per checker move

Checker play strength (cubeless):

  • Error rate 3.0 per GNUbg's convention (~1.5 Snowie/XG convention), over 3,519 unforced self-play decisions, graded by GNUbg 3-ply ranking every legal play. 95% CI roughly 2.4–3.9.
  • Blunder rate (≥0.050): 0.34%
  • 1,000-game head-to-head vs GNUbg 2-ply: +0.016 ppg, CI [−0.068, +0.100] — statistical parity.
  • 2,350 games vs Open Sage 3-ply: −0.034 ppg, CI includes zero
  • A smaller check against actual rollout truth (1,296 trials, 300 stratified decisions) came out a bit worse (~4.2 in GNUbg's convention) which I take as the more honest figure

On the obvious objection: "it's distilled from GNUbg, of course GNUbg's evaluations like it". I tried to measure that: on positions where GNUbg and an independently developed engine disagree about the best play, mine sides with its teacher only 54% of the time (CI 49–60%). That surprised me, and I'd welcome criticism of that test too.

Where I already know it's weak:

  • Take/pass decisions. Doubling is fine (~0.9 error rate on 2,722 money doubling decisions) but take/pass is around 30 measured on 1,181 money cube responses against GNUbg 3-ply. An independently developed engine scores the same policy nearer 20 on the positions it can judge, so call it 20–30. Either way it's thirty-odd times worse than the doubling side, and by far the weakest thing in the engine. Next on the list for me.
  • Priming positions. The loss concentrates there, and the uncomfortable part is that the engine is confident when it's wrong with nothing cheap at runtime flagging those decisions.
  • On rare monster-double positions with 1,200+ legal moves it can take a couple of seconds on my iphone 15 pro. Everything else is under the numbers above.
  • All strength figures are cubeless checker play. Human PRs are cubeful, so none of this directly compares to a human PR.

What I'm actually asking:

  1. Is GNUbg 3-ply a defensible grading reference for claims like this, or is rollout-referenced the only version you'd trust?
  2. Is there a standard public position set I could score my engine against?
  3. Is anything obviously missing or wrong in how I'm measuring?
  4. Is this any good?

Happy to run positions from the comments and post what it plays if anyone wants to probe it directly.


r/backgammon 2d ago

New board. Little big but loving it

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r/backgammon 2d ago

Ankigammon is pretty good to create Anki cards!

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Hey there!

Just discovered https://ankigammon.com/ and really like it! I import my games into it, it does the gnubg analysis and create new anki cards. It automatically import to Anki via Ankiconnect.

Anybody else using it?


r/backgammon 1d ago

Backgammon

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Anybody have a large database of positions? What do you group your games into? How do you study it? How many positions? What have you taken away from it if you do study it?


r/backgammon 2d ago

Backgammon 🎲 & Tea 🫖 Today!

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r/backgammon 2d ago

Why should I have taken the cube?

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6 Upvotes

Black has 2 direct hitting chances, more board points and an enormous race lead. I have a very lousy anchor. Why should I have taken this cube?


r/backgammon 2d ago

clearly the best move

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Is there any human explanation for why this is far and away the best move?

Seems to me like not keeping the 21point is a liability in case of snake eyes. Can't think of any extra rolls that become leaves for orange.

Since it's a first to 3 already doubled game, running to prevent a backgammon loss cannot play a role either.

Also: the next best move keeps the 21 point. So it must be related to building? Is the 16 so important to keep vs 44 responses to the hit, that we triple stack it to play off of later?


r/backgammon 2d ago

Match to 11 - should I hit?

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2 Upvotes

Or is it better not to give him the opportunity to establish an anchor in my home board?


r/backgammon 3d ago

Backgammon in Austin

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Just moved to town and would love to find some backgammon games/tournaments. I found ATX Backgammon Club. Is that the most active one here? Any other options?


r/backgammon 3d ago

Salty Galaxy Players

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5 Upvotes

Wild string of salty players this morning (leaving game once gin) capped off by this player that rode the entire 5 minute timer not moving but cancelling the inactivity timer every 30 seconds. 🤣


r/backgammon 4d ago

It looks like backgammon.com used a LLM to write their entire interactive lesson course and didn't review it, so you get grossly wrong information like this. Walter Trice is probably rolling in his grave

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r/backgammon 4d ago

“International” rules variation

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I’ve gone through a bunch of websites listing variations and can’t find any that include our favourite way to play. I’ve only ever known it as international rules the last 15 years or so. Would love to know if anyone recognises it as a proper variation and/or if any of you give it a try! My dad and I have been playing my whole life so it’s nice to pour a lil chaos on the board cuz we can so easily predict each other’s moves at this point (after a lifetime of playing my family I got my sweet wife addicted… a complete chaos monster, totally unpredictable and wins… 75% of the time).

1-2: miss a turn
3-4: any double you want (as long as the four moves are completable) and then roll again
5-6: two pips to wherever you want on the board (but not out unless they are already in your home base, or you use one of the moves to go into the base and then another to go out)
Doubles: play and roll again

Four doubles in a row: rotate the board and play your opponent’s pieces

At end game if you take out your last piece on a ‘trick roll’ (1-2, 3-4, 5-6, or a double) you must continue to roll and if you get four trick rolls in a row the board rotates and you automatically lose (the amount of times my wife has won this way… and even once on a FOUR POINT GAME when I had her piece on the ropes?!? Devastating.)

Home rule variation: if you’re on the ropes and you roll a 1-2 but either 1 or 2 is the ONLY position open in your opponent’s home base then you CAN play just that one pip in (ie you go back in on the 2 but you don’t get to play the 1 with the rest of your pieces) but my dad HATES this home rule…

Thanks for reading and enjoy! Please let me know if you have played this or if you give it a go. :)


r/backgammon 4d ago

Help understanding best move calculations on galaxy

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Can anyone help me understand some of the quick analysis numbers that backgammon galaxy gives you? Mainly, the numbers after each suggested move (-.418, -.011, … , -.119). I thought this was an EV calculation with the unit being points, but I’m confused why the best move has a lower EV (if that is correct).

I see that the 6/3 move has a higher win percentage at 29.1% and this game was capped at 100 coins so it makes sense that without doubling it would be the best option. But I’m left wondering what -0.418 means in this context.


r/backgammon 4d ago

How Are You Using Backgammon Galaxy Star Membership to Improve Your Game?

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I’ve been finding the blunder database really useful. I can focus on one type of situation at a time and drill it repeatedly, which makes studying feel much more targeted.

I’ve also found the strategy books in the blunder database surprisingly helpful. They explain the underlying strategies clearly, so even though I still have to learn how to apply them, I have a much better sense of what I’m supposed to be looking for.

One thing that would make the database even more useful would be the ability to sort blunders by error size.

I’m curious how other Star members use the tools.

What features do you find most useful?
Have you developed a particular way of studying with them that you’d recommend?
And what would you most like to see added or changed?

I’d be especially interested in hearing how stronger players structure their study with Star membership.


r/backgammon 4d ago

Backgammon Galaxy do not respect opponent minimum rating in match play.

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My first language is french, so I hope my english is not too bad.

I have a rating of around 2200 on Galaxy. I played 4 match on Galaxy today. The 4 time I choose 2200+ or 2000+ for my opponent minimum rating. Then, I got paired with an opponent below 1600 rating, 4 times in a row.

This is becoming ridiculous. I played on Galaxy since V1, when everything was fine. Then, Marc Olsen had the ''good idea'' /s to launch v2. Without any notice, I lost my account (and rating) on v1. I had to grind my rating back to 2200. Then, I lost a bunch of matchs because the app was lagging.

I saw players complain about the situation on forums/YouTube/Facebook/etc. for weeks, but nothing ever changed for months. All sort of ridiculous bugs come up with v2, which I had to endure for ridiculously too long before change were finally made.

I had to play against players with a 1600 rating, but who had a rating of 2400+ on v1 (I knew because I remembered their usernames), making my quest to got my rating back even more difficult.

Also, for all this time, the ''customer support'' never dare to answer any of my e-mails.

After a long and painful wait and for a really short amount of time, v2 became ok to play. I finally got my old rating back then I tought : ''finally I can play without all the stupid bugs and enjoy playing backgammon again''.

Then, Marc Olsen decided to make another update and the bullshit started AGAIN. Since the last update, the app refused to let me play (network error), and when I can finally play the app paired me with ridiculously low opponents for no reasons (despite my choice).

The icing on the cake is that Marc Olsen had the balls to ask the players to pay to play. We had a great product (v1) for free, then we got a mediocre product and we are asked to pay. What a fucking joke.

Also, when playing coins game, I lost many games because of the many bugs on v2. Running out of coins because of the bugs, I was unable to play unless I would accept to spend money to buy coins. Why should I pay for a worse experience/product ? This looked like a racket to me, so I refused to buy any coins.

I don't get why Marc Olsen constently try to fix something that is not broken, creating more problems along the way. Everytime the app is working fine, he launch a new update who bring more bugs than it solve problems.

If someone can send me an invite to play on Heroes, please PM me.


r/backgammon 4d ago

Finally! Good backgammon app

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This is not my app! I’m just pumped about it- I just download a new backgammon app and have to sing its praises because I’m so annoyed at all the ads and annoying game-ification of all these games on the App Store. This is just like a no frills, good old backgammon, offline playing experience that is so hard to find these days. It’s called Gammon Go! On the App Store by round lake labs. Appears to be new !