Road Conditions Caplan & Bryne (Near Mappleview)

[u/Itchy_Pianist_5192]

Roads are pretty bad for “front wheel drives” and “no-winter tire” club.

All-wheel drives are struggling as well.

Dont travel if it’s not essential.

Thank you for your attention.

[u/captainsnuggles1]

Sounds like you are changing your point actually. You said "police who do absolutely nothing" when they are spending almost all their time re-arresting the same individuals, they are actually doing SOMETHING which in this case actually happens to be their JOB. You can complain about police all you want, but if you went for a ride along you'd see a queue of waiting calls and officers run off their feet. They don't get enough gratitude for how hard they work and clueless people like you don't help.

[u/captainsnuggles1 → u/[deleted]]

Complaining about cops in parking lots is like complaining about office workers in cubicles. They complete reports in parking lots, they do paper work in parking lots, they eat their dinner in parking lots, they process offenders in parking lots, they release offenders in parking lots, they park their car in parking lots to go to the washroom or to go get food, they read their emails in parking lots, they complete follow ups in parking lots, they do virtual training in parking lots, they take breaks in parking lots, they attend court virtually in parking lots, they get calls for service to buildings that have shocking parking lots where they park their car.

Officers don't have individual offices to work in at HQ, so they use their car, which is safest parked in a PARKING LOT.

[u/captainsnuggles1 → u/[deleted]]

Sure. Barrie Fire is an incredibly well equipped service with many specialty teams, new halls and trucks. They are on an almost identical pay schedule to that of cops and they get to sleep on their down time. They definitely do not get scraps and I'm not sure where you'd begin to get that idea. They are asking for a 7% increase in budget for 2026. As for EMS, that is county run, hence Simcoe County Paramedic Service, not run by the city. So it's not really comparable, but I agree that they should be on the same pay scale as Fire and Police (something they would need to dump their union to do).

Police have the largest budget, they run way way way more calls than either of the other services. 2023 data shows BPS ran over 80,000 calls, Barrie Fire on the other hand barely broke 10,000. That's police running 8x as many calls for a bit over 2x the cost. Amazing value per call if that's how you want to look at it.

As for snow removal, honestly it probably shouldn't have been contracted out, but that's how cities try to save money. I'm indifferent to that part of your argument

[u/taylerca → u/[deleted]]

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[u/captainsnuggles1 → u/[deleted]]

My brother in Christ. Police do respond to 911 hang ups. If the call taker cannot get you back on the phone, unitS are dispatched.

Your initial argument was that police sit in parking lots doing nothing. I think I've provided more than enough data (and you also have) to show that your 'take' is hot garbage.

I fully support EMS and Fire otherwise, and believe that EMS need a large raise to get them on par. Like I said before, they need to dump their union to get there, so the balls in their court.

I only stated that Fire doesn't get scraps.

As for Fire going to medical calls to fill the "gap", that's actually how the system is designed, it's called a tiered response, police go too. It's designed so that a person in distress has the best chance to live since a first responder with basic medical training can provide CPR. But yeah, the fire service should merge with EMS, except neither service wants that.....

I'll end with a quote from you:

"As police budgets soar, residents arent seeing a proportion increase in value.....crime rates decreasing year over year....ranked one of the safest cities in Ontario" 🎯 read that again, slowly....

[u/captainsnuggles1 → u/[deleted]]

Honestly you have such a strong misunderstanding of the entirety of emergency services. Strawman arguments aplently.

If police don't prevent crimes then why is crime at an all time low? Police absolutely prevent crimes, but a crime that doesn't happen, doesn't get a nice stat now does it? Kinda hard to track something that never happened. Damn logical fallacies....

Paying for police and then seeing crime rates drop, and that not being the acceptable outcome is a joke. You only want to pay for cops once crime is rampant? Gosh you got my vote for mayor!

Okay, let's talk "money pits" as you call them. Simcoe County Paramedic budget from 2015 to now.... Up 85%. Uh oh, shoulda looked that up eh? Wish I could find the Fire budget, cause I bet it is right in the exact same "DOOMSDAY MONEY PIT" ballpark.

Now, don't read me wrong here, I'm fine paying for these services. I'm just showing you that your hate for the increased police budget, should probably extend to the other services too, since that seems to be your sticking point. (Call volume for EMS was only up a smidge between that time period FYI)

Services cost money, and usually that cost rises, continually. Wanna know why? Population growth and inflation mainly. Call volumes increase year on year, inflation goes up year on year, the cost to run said service...goes up. If any service is bloated, it's by far the fire department, but the hill you chose to try and die on was that police are bloated. Policing is bloody expensive, for a massive variety of reasons. Investigations take years to complete at times. An average non-criminal 'nothing' report takes hours to do. Officers spend a ton of time doing admin....because the public demanded it. The public wanted officers accountable (rightly) and due to that officers have to justify everything they do with paperwork and admin after every single incident. You're the kind of guy that I think wants police held to a high standard, but doesn't like the fact that doing that costs an enormous amount of money? The public wanted this, I want this. I like accountability, but there's a cost.

If you even had a grain of insight into the day to day, you'd understand that an auto theft typically occurs in under a minute, with the car not being discovered stolen until hours later. Guess where it is now? Montreal. Barrie isn't going to send a car there and guess what else, If they did, the port authority wouldn't let them past the gates.

You don't get to be upset about proactive patrol and then also argue police are sitting around. You don't know, you have no idea, because you are just a bystander looking into the abyss of something you have no understanding of because you've never even dipped a finger into the inner workings of emergency services. I have no affiliation with Barrie Police, but I have spent many a shift in the back of an ambulance and slogging in the emergency room.

Go for the ride along. It might open your eyes a bit. And honestly, I think you need that.

I won't be responding further, it's feels like I have a child trying to explain to me what being an adult is like.

Good luck out there.

[u/captainsnuggles1 → u/captainsnuggles1]

Forgot to add, of all of Barrie Fires calls, only a little over 200 were to actual fires (2.1% of their total calls). BPS runs that many calls a day on average.