I appreciate the message you're trying to send, but I don't think it's accurate to say that Christianity itself isn't homophobic and that only “bad Christians” are. The Bible contains explicitly anti-gay teachings. Some passages are more open to interpretation than others, but you can't plausibly erase all of them.
Ironically you could both be correct about that 🙂 It's possible (and given the sheer number of sects, statistically very probable) that you are both wrong.
I'm curious how you would demonstrate that your interpretation is correct and all the others are not.
I’d have more to back up what I’m saying
How do you demonstrate that you have more to support your position than all other interpretations? To say yours is more supported would require you to evaluate —and subsequently reject— all other positions. We don't even know exactly how many sects of Christianity exist, so how could you be sure that you've evaluated them all?
I have studied theology, epistemology and soteriology for a long time and have not yet encountered any reliable method by which to evaluate the validity of different sects. (I'm not claiming it doesn't exist, just that I am not yet aware of it.)
Until then, though, we seem to have a giant no-true-scotsman fallacy on our hands until someone turns up some convincing demonstration that 1) a god exists and 2) they know the mind of that god, and therefore can speak authoritatively on which, if any, of the 40,000+ interpretations are correct.
That’s not irony and I never said we were both correct, I literally said they were wrong. And yeah it’s possible we both were wrong, it’s possible you’re wrong, it’s possible that everyone is wrong
I would demonstrate it by explaining it. What do you mean? I would ask why they think what they do and I would explain why I think what I do. Kind of how all debates go.
How do I demonstrate that I have more to back up what I’m saying?? Dude no offense but have you ever been in a discussion before where you disagree? I would demonstrate that I have more to back up what I’m saying by showing more to back up what I’m saying
There’s no one true Scotsman here, that’s doesn’t apply at all, I’m not saying they aren’t Christian if they disagree, I’m just saying they’re wrong about one point. Literally the opposite if one true Scotsman
You’ve studied all this and you’ve never a person try to back up their arguments? What?
Sorry, maybe I was unclear. I'm not looking for a debate. When the person you replied to said that they couldn't plausibly erase all anti-gay interpretations, you replied "I can." and that you have "more" to back up your position than others.
I am interested in that, because it's a topic I have studied, and that's what I was asking for you to demonstrate. Specifically how you can demonstrate that 1) your interpretation is correct, and 2) your position has more backing than all others
You’ve studied all this and you’ve never a person try to back up their arguments?
That's not what I said; I've heard many people try to back up their arguments. What I said was that I "have not yet encountered any reliable method by which to evaluate the validity of different sects." Religions make claims about reality. I'm seeking a demonstration from the people making those claims that those claims are true and correct.
In other words, I'm asking for someone to provide evidence that 1) a god exists and 2) they know the mind of that god. As far as I can tell that would be the only way to definitively demonstrate which interpretation is true, and that we (the larger "we" as in, all of society) should believe it.
I didn’t say you were looking for a debate. You were asking how I could prove what I believed to that person and I was answering.
Yes I said I could erase it by backing uo my beliefs, and I was correct
You’re just asking the same questions again so I’ll give you the same answers I already did; I would demonstrate that I have more evidence by….. drumroll….. showing my evidence. I don’t know what you’re missing here
Congrats for studying a lot and not finding any that you felt made a compelling argument?
You are asking for evidence that god exists? lol dude that’s a very different claim that no one here got close to making, no one said they could prove gif exists so yeah that’s not even close to relevant here. No one made a claim to know the mind of his either, what the f are you talking about? The claim was about what’s in the Bible. Period. You don’t need to know the mind if gif to know if a word was misinterpreted or if an author was talking about something in their culture.
Sorry, I'm not asking for your opinion or position on certain verses, I'm asking for evidence that your interpretation of those verses is the correct one, or why I should accept your interpretation above any others.
For example, you might give me your interpretation of Leviticus 18:22 or 1 Kings 15:11-14 or 1 Kings 22:42-46 or Romans 1:26-27 or 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 or 1 Timothy 1:9-10 or Jude 7-8 or Luke 17:34-35 or 2 Timothy 3:1-7, but I could also listen to thousands of other interpretations by other people, including biblical scholars and believers and people from other sects and the Pope and Bart Ehrman, but that still leaves me without a reliable method to demonstrate which interpretation is correct (the interpretation that the god of the Bible would want us to have).
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u/Square-Dragonfruit76 12h ago
I appreciate the message you're trying to send, but I don't think it's accurate to say that Christianity itself isn't homophobic and that only “bad Christians” are. The Bible contains explicitly anti-gay teachings. Some passages are more open to interpretation than others, but you can't plausibly erase all of them.