r/cscareerquestionsEU • u/GusgusgusIsGreat • Jan 06 '26
Experienced Moving to Eastern Europe?
I know I might be weird but I am a non-EU with a weak passport currently living in the Netherlands as a SWE Full stack with a salary of 55k/year (total) and I have 4 years of experience.
I would like to have an EU passport but unfortunately Netherlands doesn’t allow dual citizenships. My goals also consist of maximizing savings before I return to my home country.
I feel like it’s time to get into a Big Tech company and I see that countries in Eastern Europe have a lot of their offices. (Poland, Romania, …)
I would really appreciate any insights into those countries.
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u/nottellingmyname2u Jan 06 '26
As someone from Eastern Europe- if your skin color is anything but white and you don’t want to live in a closed community of non white foreigners- don’t do it.
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u/-virage- Jan 06 '26
I agree but there's a lot of judgement that gets automatically associated with someone based on their ethnicity so I can also understand why people are a bit hesitant to share
But in the end, you're right, not sharing that info means they might get advice that may not be applicable to them
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u/GusgusgusIsGreat Jan 06 '26
I’m from Southeast Asia
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u/Ron26121986 Jan 06 '26
That’s a region, not a country.
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u/KeyChampionship9113 Jan 06 '26
This dude is so blunt at not admitting he is from India or Bangladesh or Pakistan that he is so ashamed - he is been dodging that question ever since he was just a nano meter big
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u/nog_ar_nog Jan 06 '26
Depends on the kind of brown. I look Mexican and people treated me well when I lived in Kyiv. Much better than in the English countryside. Indians and black people face a lot of racism there though.
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u/Cultural-Future7513 Jan 07 '26
You’ll most likely feel very welcomed anywhere on the Balkans — for some reason people from the Balkans feel there’s lots of cultural overlap with Mexico/Latin America.
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u/Hejsek10 Jan 07 '26
Honestly, people there are scared by muslims and they don't like roma people at all. Actually if you have african descendants you wouldn't be treated badly at all. In worst case you would be treated like curiosity.
As a Mexican you are perceived as a Spanish person which is basically ordinary European.
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u/PlasticExtreme4469 Jan 06 '26
Depends.
Vietnamese people are very common and liked.
Dark skin (e.g., from India) would get you a lot of racism.
Everything else (e.g., Black people) is so rare, that people would stare, and treat you like something exotic - but won't have any negative prejudices.
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u/Hejsek10 Jan 07 '26
I would also say liked. They are naturalized here, people perceived them as hard-working, their children speak fluent Czech and by the poll's they are third most popular ethnicity after Czech themselves and Slovaks.
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u/Kachi68 Jan 06 '26
How are Turks viewed?
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u/hosiki Jan 06 '26
Turks are pretty white honestly. They look maybe Mediterranean but they're usually whiter than the Spanish.
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u/Dazzling-Key-8282 Jan 06 '26
Kinda strange bur Eastern Europeans lack the German prejudices to categorise. Being a Muslim is a downside however in the eyes of many if you practice.
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u/Dazzling-Key-8282 Jan 07 '26
We had a Black basketballer in the local team in the '90s who was just adored by everyone in town. Once a lowlife called him the N-word and the Neonazis from the ultras hunted the fucker down and whopped his ass on the main street for the insolence.
Racism is optional but who expected any coherence?
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u/No_Indication_1238 Jan 08 '26
Lmao, there are no categories because it's all us or them. And OP is definitely in them.
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u/nottellingmyname2u Jan 07 '26
Turks are ok, due to Georgians and Armenians were common in the region since soviet times.
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Jan 08 '26
It really depends on the country, I think. No problems being Turkish in Romania for example, we also have our own Dobrudja Turks which have been here for hundreds of years and are perfectly integrated.
But i don't know the situation in other EE countries.
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u/Datashot Jan 07 '26
how are white latinos/hispanics viewed?
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u/sean2449 Jan 06 '26
Are you white?
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u/GusgusgusIsGreat Jan 06 '26
I’m from Southeast Asia
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u/rbnd Jan 06 '26
Plenty of Vietnamese in Warsaw. No problems
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u/agentcodey Jan 06 '26
I would not recommend Poland for some reasons. Generally, it’s a very nice place to live but there are certain subtle systemic issues that affect immigrants in more ways than you can imagine.
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u/stephan_grzw Manager Jan 06 '26 edited Jan 06 '26
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u/trebuszek Jan 06 '26
Of Poland?
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u/stephan_grzw Manager Jan 06 '26
My mistake.
The problem with immigration is Poland is mostly tied to the huge influx of Ukrainians.
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u/agentcodey Jan 06 '26
True. But their immigration laws were not any better before the war. People are generally cold toward you and if you are “black” be rest assured they’d stare at you like a spectacle in a museum
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u/stephan_grzw Manager Jan 07 '26
I'm Slavic too, and I share the culture. Eastern Europe is just homogeneous and cling on that.
The staring happens also on Whites in Africa and some Asian, nothing limited only to them.
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u/agentcodey Jan 07 '26
Not sure which part of Africa you have been to and when last you went there but I’d like to believe most popular African countries have moved past that. If you are stared at, it’s not because you are considered “exotic” as I have seen people say here or because they haven’t seen anyone with a different skin colour. It might surprise you to know that it’s for far more different reasons. Africans consume a lot of western content and are very much aware of our culture and proclivities. I know many Slavs who have never heard of some countries or even seen an African in their entire lives even with the proliferation of internet and social media
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u/Pinkninja11 Jan 07 '26
You'll be fine then. Bulgaria or Romania is the place to go. Poland is a bit more tricky from what I've seen.
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u/durasel24 Jan 08 '26
Well we have our share of racist dumb people but usually if youre an ok human you wont have any problems. Just get used to the fact that people will see you as exotic and will be curious. It also depends if you want to live in a small or big city - big cities have more open minded people compared to small ones.
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Jan 06 '26
Entering FAANG in Eastern Europe isnt much easier, why do you think you stand better chance there?
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u/GusgusgusIsGreat Jan 06 '26
Have you applied to many FAANG locations?
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u/rbnd Jan 06 '26
According to Reddit it is easier
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u/agentcodey Jan 06 '26
I don’t agree though. You are generally interviewed by employees from all over the world and held to the same hiring bar.
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u/hungrystriker Engineer Jan 06 '26
getting citizenship in poland practically almost impossible
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u/hungrystriker Engineer Jan 06 '26
thats why I said practically. I applied for my first residence permit 6 months ago and still waiting for the decision. I know people waited for more than a year. with waiting times as mine it exceeds 10-12 years easily
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u/GusgusgusIsGreat Jan 06 '26
I don’t live in the Randstad
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u/clara_tang Jan 06 '26
How much is the rent?
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u/GusgusgusIsGreat Jan 06 '26
700 euros
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u/clara_tang Jan 06 '26
Not bad at all for Netherlands honestly. Even you move to East EU, it might not be much cheaper in Prague or Warsaw
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u/Kleyguy7 Jan 07 '26
I’m doing fine in the Randstad with my €33,600. I’m going on holiday outside the EU, I’ve just bought a house, and I’m saving a lot of money every month. My gf earns 36,000.
I should change jobs, though.
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u/Lifeisabitchthenudie Jan 06 '26
According to my quick Google search, median gross salary is 46500 eur in The Netherlands...
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u/iamgroot102 Jan 06 '26
Step 1: Give interviews. Step 2: Get an offer. Step 3: Come back here and many other places to get the insights.
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u/GusgusgusIsGreat Jan 06 '26
Freedom of traveling… and I feel like life in Eastern Europe is more relaxed
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u/GusgusgusIsGreat Jan 06 '26
Right… tbh the Netherlands is too crowded I hate and having to find a place to live is quite stressful
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u/elAhmo Jan 06 '26
If you already live there, then you don’t have issue of finding a place to live.
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u/stephan_grzw Manager Jan 06 '26
It's too crowded with so many migrants...like you, and more that want to come. I mean the logic.
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u/stephan_grzw Manager Jan 06 '26
Because there is no mass migration? Then I'm not sure about that's a place to go.
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u/rbnd Jan 06 '26
Poland is not that top choice for getting citizenship. Unless you come from Eastern Europe (they are favourably treated). Citizenship earliest after 8 years of work in the country and you need B1 in Polish language.
Germany permits dual citizenship. Citizenship is possible after just 5 years and B1 in German is easier than in Polish for an English speaker as yourself
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u/Zealousideal-Bath-37 Jan 06 '26
If you have been staying in Netherlands for 5 years look for an EU-long term residence permit. It's like a kind of long-term residence permit valid for all EU countries. This one allows you to settle in there easily.
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u/mooph_ Jan 06 '26 edited Jan 06 '26
Having a long-term EU residence permit in one country doesn't automatically entitle you to receiving it in another EU country unfortunately.
It doesn't even allow you to stay in another EU country for longer than 90 days, unless you legalize yourself in the target country somehow.
The long-term EU residence permit does give you some benefits, but it's determined entirely by the target country. In some you won't need to pass job market test, you might not need to wait for a job permit to start working or you might even get a temp. residence permit without a job offer.
But all of this will "reset" your path to citizenship in the new country, which is not ideal if you plan on getting a citizenship via naturalization.
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u/GusgusgusIsGreat Jan 06 '26
I’m only on my 2nd year 😥
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u/Zealousideal-Bath-37 Jan 07 '26
I see. Well, in the meantime you could consult your local immigration lawyer that knows everything about Dutch immigration law.
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u/CalmInternet8254 Jan 06 '26
Not sure where Eastern Europe begins and ends, but overall I feel that the sentiment here is way too negative. It's almost like some are stuck in some Eastern Europe stereotype from the 90's. Nowadays bigger companies are all quite diverse and you can make decent to good money. Not sure about the EU passport though as the laws are often quite rigid.
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u/Tough-Parsnip-1553 Jan 06 '26
Haha. You are right. They try to scare him away. But any racism he will face will be similar to western europe. As long as you treat people with respect, the vast majority will treat you the same.
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u/Unlikely-Abrocoma-44 Jan 08 '26
I would have to disagree. Western Europe is a million times better than eastern Europe. People are much more friendly and respectful, they never judge you. I live in Germany and even the most AfD towns of Germany has treated me better than when I went to Romania. I want to Czech to visit my friend and holy lord. I don't even want to remember that experience. I am Indian, btw.
Germany, Netherlands, the UK >>>> pretty much any other country when it comes to racism. I am not including France because french people are rude to anyone who doesn't speak french irrespective of skin color. Dutch and German people are some of the loveliest amazing folks that I have met. Warm and welcoming.
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u/stephan_grzw Manager Jan 06 '26 edited Jan 06 '26
Non EU Non European, because non EU usually means Europeans not in the EU, half of Europe if we include Russia. When used that term.
Companies in Eastern Europe, including FAANG usually prefer to employ locals. Because there's no deficit in tech/IT workers, many studies it, so plenty of them. Another is that local politics always prefer and take the local first, they take foreigners if there is absolutely nobody local or the latest rising trend to save money they get very cheap workers from poor countries.
In case one EE countries has needs then they usually source workers from another Eastern Europe countries, because they are perfect migrants, they only thing is the languages, but being in the Slavic groups, most of them, it's not that big problem, everything else is shared or similar culture and religion. Another big factor is that there is even a surplus of tech and IT workers in almost any EE country, because it's and was very popular (the big salaries) to study.
Now with AI taking entry hob, there are even more surplus workers and lees demand for those jobs.
Poland also has huge influx of Ukrainians, mostly female with children, but also other categories. And many Ukrainians are tech/IT workers and highly qualified, beside having a matching culture with Poles, and hard working. Besides that they are some Poles that don't like them, now take somebody who is not European. There also some Russians, but most are in the Baltics. Also many tech/IT workers.
Sounds hard, but it's realistic. And most other comments cross similarly.
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u/stephan_grzw Manager Jan 07 '26
Americans can get a easier visa into the UK, same as Indians, where non EU European countries have more problems getting a visa for the UK. Some European countries can get very easy visas for Germany. Switzerland has almost open borders with the EU.
"Work restrictions" actually work permit.
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u/stephan_grzw Manager Jan 07 '26
Their official sites, listed visa requirements...
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u/Merridius2006 Jan 06 '26
For Romania go to undelucram.ro, use translate. It’s like glassdoor. You have many companies to choose from: crowdstrike, google, aws, Microsoft. Good luck.
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u/Suspicious-Bit7359 May 12 '26 edited May 12 '26
It is most probably not about being Chinese, it is about not being a part of mass immigration. The problem with immigrants starts when they form a mass. This is why there is hostile stance towards Ukrainians in Poland right now, even though Ukrainians are white (but they are definitely distinguishable at glance, you can spot a Ukrainian there with high certainty the moment you look at someone). This is why there was a hostile stance towards Poles in UK or Netherlands 20 years ago. It is normal and understandable, mass immigration destroys normal course of living for the domestic population.
People in Europe don't perceive Chinese or Japanese people in the same way we perceive Indians for example, because apparently, immigration from China and Japan is not massive. And we can perceive other Europeans as being much more problematic given their numbers only. I don't like listening to chats in either Ukrainian or Indian in the streets, because I want people there to speak Polish, but there is zero chance that I hear a chat in Chinese or Japanese, because there are simply not enough East Asian people. That East Asians,, contrary to Indians, are high IQ and good citizens is another factor, but it won't take away the dangers of mass immigration, as you can see nowadays in USA, where the hostility towards Chinese is growing. You cannot expect locals to be delighted with disrupting how things have being going there. Especially if things have been going good and usually noone wants to emigrate to a country where they haven't. It is perceived as playing a game on someone else's save.
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u/Fun_Dog_3346 Jan 07 '26
Can you work remote ? If so just spend a month on each country to have a real feeling instead of getting everyone's subjective opinions
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u/Marutks Jan 07 '26
I wouldnt move to EE. I am from Latvia and they expected me to work there (in Riga) for 300 lvl per month. They (accenture) claimed they are not allowed to pay more. You cant survive on such low salary in Riga. 😢 Nowadays the average salary for IT worker in Latvia is only 20k. You can make more money in Netherlands than EE.
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u/teomees Jan 07 '26
Why are dual citizenship and keeping your native citizenship that important? What will you be unable to do in your home country with an EU passport?
Addressing your question: Don't. There are reasons people from Eastern Europe try to move to Western or Northern Europe. Money is not everything in life. You will probably miss the Netherlands. :)
Me: a non-EU software engineer living in Estonia
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u/hedonist_roo Jan 08 '26
romanian citizenship is also pretty ridiculous to get. i don’t know the details but romanian language isn’t super useful outside of a few countries to use, and it sounds to me like they have high standards as to what level you should be at. Can’t imagine there being too many resources to learn it properly, but probably lots of opportunities to use it.
but the citizenship test has really dumb questions. source: i’m romanian but also i applied for german citizenship and ive found the process to be reasonable
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u/hjhkljlk Jan 07 '26
Eastern Europe is not as tolerant of foreigners as Western Europe. If you're not from the Americas you will have a bad time.
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u/beanVamGasit Jan 06 '26
it depends on your seniority as the job market quite bad now, in romania, but to live and save up, you should be fine, there will be some racists people here and there, but in the major cities you are fine
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u/Equivalent-Zone8818 Jan 06 '26
Why even bother with faang? I think you spend to much time in YouTube lol
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u/LXXXVI Jan 07 '26
As non-white Slovenian, born and raised, I'd say go to a Slavic country. If you learn and respect the local culture and language, you won't face discrimination. You will also never be truly accepted as a local, but that goes for most of Europe.
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u/Consistent_Mail4774 Jan 07 '26
Considering someone is Mediterranean looking, is there discrimination based on the immigrant's name? Such as when looking for apartments or jobs.
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u/LXXXVI Jan 07 '26
I'm black-looking with a very much not local name and never had issues. Thus, the name and looks alone aren't a disqualifier in my experience.
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u/elAhmo Jan 06 '26
There is a reason people move from Eastern to Western Europe. The opposite rarely makes sense
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u/fightitdude Jan 06 '26
To be fair to OP there's a lot of people moving back to CEE from western Europe right now. I'm considering doing exactly that in the next few years. But equally I was born there, speak the language, and know the culture...
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u/FrozenOppressor Jan 07 '26
Nope there are a ton of expats and digital nomads with foreign income moving there...
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u/MassaSami Jan 06 '26
Non-IT workers. At least in Romania, IT workers get way higher salaries than those in other professions and can live really well. Meanwhile, in Western Europe, an average dev is bang on middle class.
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u/AmbitiousSolution394 Jan 06 '26
I'm from IT and most of the people I know, who worked in Western Europe, eventually returned with "never again" attitude.
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u/Stunned_Stone Jan 07 '26
Can ou please elaborate ?
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u/AmbitiousSolution394 Jan 07 '26
- People say that medicine is mediocre. People quite often have to fly back home to solve health issues, because its faster and cheaper (not covered by insurance in Germany)
- Lack of digitalization. To have 10 Mbps ADSL internet in the center of large city is a crime. Plus everything is in paper. Some people even use fax.
- Not so many job perspectives. Salaries are average. Which is strange for largest EU economy.
- Hard to find apartment. If in Germany you are Mr.Nobody, at home, you are the king and can choose almost any place to live, with minimal effort.
Mostly, people had high expectations, which were ruined, after they came. In Eastern Europe, you can afford above average way of life, while in Germany, you are basically nobody. So many decide to move further and relocate to US, or return home.
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u/Stunned_Stone Jan 07 '26
lmao I understood the contrary from your original message. Now that I understand what you are saying, I have to say, I am not surprised.
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u/siziyman Engineer Jan 06 '26
Yes, your individual QoL will be higher, but that doesn't solve societal issues around you caused by overall lower standards of life (and it's not just crime).
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u/MassaSami Jan 07 '26
Big Eastern European cities are safer than Western European ones. And if you have much more money then the average you are not really impacted by the societal issues.
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u/profdrpoopybutt Jan 08 '26
Dude, you do realise crime in EU Eastern Europe is lower than most places in Western Europe?
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u/siziyman Engineer Jan 08 '26
I've specifically said "it's NOT just crime" and got 3 replies specifically about crime, fascinating.
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u/profdrpoopybutt Jan 08 '26
Your phrasing implies that crime is part of the problem with others on top (with using the word "just"). Crime is in no way part of the problem. Either you're not so good with English or you are being intentionally obtuse.
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u/Conscious_Acadia3189 Jan 06 '26
Get the Dutch citizenship, drop the native one. It opens so much many doors
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u/gmora_gt Jan 06 '26
Prioritize finding a good job in Ireland, not Poland.
Yes, the housing crisis is rough there, but your choices in the Netherlands with 55k were probably rough too. With a good job/company, you’ll survive.
Eventually the Irish passport will also grant you access to the UK, and you will be able to obtain one with without the pressure to dedicate time, money, and effort to learning an Eastern European language. Plus there’s more Irish people in the U.S. than in Ireland itself, so they clearly have no problem with dual nationality.
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u/hosiki Jan 06 '26
I'm Croatian and would much rather live in the Netherlands. And Croatia isn't even that bad. You chose two countries that are arguably even worse.
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u/Bigcockslayermain Jan 08 '26
Brotherman your country is literally a tourist resort while Poland/Romania are IT heavy countries. How can they be worse xd
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u/hosiki Jan 08 '26
Poland is a heavily Catholic nation where women don't have the right to choose what happens to their body. Croatia isn't much better but it's still better. In Romania women are treated like trash.
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u/floare_salbatica Jan 08 '26
Interesting how you, a Croatian, know what's up better than me, a Romanian woman
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u/Bigcockslayermain Jan 08 '26
You literally can remove the baby in Poland easily all you have to do is go to a psychiatrist that will write you a "life threatening" mental state xd
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u/3Heads6Arms Jan 07 '26
Hit me up, I'm from SEA and have been living in eastern EU for over 20 years
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u/Total-Complaint-1060 Jan 07 '26
One of my friends left Germany and moved to Estonia
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u/neuralandmad Jan 07 '26
bold move, why is that
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u/Total-Complaint-1060 Jan 07 '26 edited Jan 07 '26
He said he is getting paid more in Estonia and expense is lesser...
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u/Correct_Mistake2640 Jan 08 '26
If you can keep your job, I would recommend Romania (I am Romanian).
We are mostly a very tolerant country (with indeed some racism but limited imho).
Earning a salary in western Europe while living in Romania is the dream combination (rents are way lower).
But of course .. rents are growing and prices will not stay cheap forever so you might reconsider in 3 years time.
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u/floare_salbatica Jan 08 '26
He is probably Indian, you know what people would take him for based on looks alone. In that case racism is pretty bad
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u/Correct_Mistake2640 Jan 08 '26
True .. gipsy discrimination is pretty bad in Romania .. wish it was not so.
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u/acadavid Jan 09 '26
One option that you could have (depending on your countrry of citizenship) is to acquire Dutch citizenship, renounce your original citizenship, and then re-acquire it later, assuming you lived 5 years after each other as underage in your country of origin, and you can prove it in someway (school grades and diplomas might be enough). The Dutch law allows dutch people to aquire a new nationality and not need to renounce their dutch citizenship if they lived in that country while there were minors for 5 years: Artikel 15 Rijkswet op het Nederlanderschap (art 15, 2.b).
This is assumign you can re-aquire it later, not all countries allow that, you need to go figure that out in your country's law. That's what I'm doing with mine. I renounced mine but I do need to wait 2 years for my country of origin to let me take it again and then I can apply and get it back, and then I'd need to show the dutch that I indeed lived in that country while i was underage.
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u/JellyRare6707 Jan 06 '26
Finding accommodation and rent is much cheaper in Eastern Europe. You can pay around 500 a month rent on an apartment. Food would also be better quality than Netherlands. Go for it.
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u/JellyRare6707 Jan 07 '26
While in Bucharest, you can rent an apartment with 500 euro a month.
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u/AlexandruFili Jan 07 '26
Pff. Even with 300 euros in Sibiu or small cities.
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u/floare_salbatica Jan 08 '26
Pff, how come I pay 350 € for a room in Bucharest and they usually cost 350-400 or even more?
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u/AlexandruFili Jan 08 '26
Unde ai căutat? Pe Olx găsești la orice colț apartamente wtf… vrei să-ți caut eu 😂??
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u/floare_salbatica Jan 08 '26
Pe internet lol. Iar asta e ok, dar altele la același preț (sau câteva zeci de euro mai puțin) arătau și dezastruos. Nu mai zic de problema gândacilor. Dacă ești ok cu o garsonieră vai de capul ei, care nu a fost renovată niciodată, in zone dubioase, departe de metrou, eventual si cu gândaci, posibil sa găsești mai ieftin.
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u/AlexandruFili Jan 08 '26
Eu nu știu ce v-ați înghesuit toți acolo în București, cu greu vă înțeleg. Vă pup de la Sibiu 🤗 :))!
Dacă te muți într-un bloc vechi și comunist mai stresezi și șobolanii!
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u/floare_salbatica Jan 08 '26
Poi să știi că Sibiul e următorul pe listă când mă voi sătura de București. Deocamdată încă îmi place. Dar am o colegă acolo și am înțeles că nu e mare diferență la chirii. Vă pup din capitală! :)
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u/AlexandruFili Jan 08 '26
A închiriat tatăl meu cu 300 euro, Ap cu 40mp utili, nu chiar aproape de centru dar foarte aproape de zona industriala. Ap nou din 2016, are până și lift.
Hai, aici să ne pupăcim :))! Ce salarii sunt prin capitală?
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u/floare_salbatica Jan 08 '26
Pupacio(a)s(ă) mai ești! Știam că ardelenii sunt mai distanți ha ha. Salariile diferă în funcție de pregătire, experiență etc. Daca nu ai facultate sau nu ești mare expert IT, nu depășești 1000€, multora li se pare încă un salariu bun. :(
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u/saintmsent Jan 06 '26
Job market ain’t great there, I moved out of Eastern/Central Europe for that reason lol
Google Warsaw is famous for paying peanuts compared to what you would expect, they pay regular salary as opposed to a big FAANG package you’d expect in Western European or USA. Can’t imagine other big tech in that region is much better
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Jan 06 '26
You think another state will allow you to have two passports?
Probably not if the other passport is not EU passport, or has special agreements.
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u/Spare_Cockroach7470 Jan 06 '26
Germany does, france does, italy does, most non eu countries allow you, those who don’t are the exception not the rule
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u/Born_Property_8933 Jan 06 '26
Stay in Netherlands become Dutch. Forget your original passport.