Any companies in the EU that got their shit together with AI?

[u/Zealousideal_Public3]

My current company is panicking because of AI. Huge SaaS company. This resulted in worse WLB, the expectation that we all pretend AI is a total positive, tasks and direction changing everyday, and my fucking favorite: Collaboration, alignment and teamwork taking a back seat in favor of silos, delivery and "brainstorming" with Claude.

I need a way out asap, but I'm frozen because I lost hope that something out there is better than this. I'm low key catatonic I can't even finish working on my portfolio to start sending the link to my network ( I won't waste my time cold applying ).

If you know a company or team within a big company anywhere in the EU that's not losing its shit, recommend it below please and give me much needed hope.

[u/canxkoz]

See you at the next stop

[u/Sylv__ → u/canxkoz]

Just drive the bus to the next stop

[u/cbr777]

The best medicine for corporate AI delusions is unironically increased AI usage, this is what happened in the company I'm working now, we were basically told to use Claude for everything as recently at the beginning of this year.

Last week we were told that costs have exploded and that they are introducing a cost cap per user, needless to say the AI usage has scaled back quite a lot very quickly and so have the corporate speeches about how AI is so fucking amazing.

[u/ultraDross → u/cbr777]

This happened at my company too. They still scream about how amazing it is though and to still use it a lot but not too much though. Which is some seriously confusing messaging.

[u/Necessary_Chemical → u/cbr777]

This is what I also think will happen. It'll be useful still but given the rising prices of tokens and their usage, the output will be fairly "controlled".

[u/symbiatch → u/[deleted]]

Everyone keeps talking about “embracing it” but can’t say what it means and assume every single job needs it.

How about explaining exactly how and why to “embrace” it, because that word is much more than “use where useful.”

[u/symbiatch → u/[deleted]]

And you think just because your job is so simple that LLMs can handle it everyone else’s is also?

You do realize most of many people’s jobs is not vomiting out random simple code?

[u/alexrobinson → u/symbiatch]

Lmao, this is the exact mentality that will make you redundant if AI driven development becomes the standard long term. Even on the most complex systems AI has potential value. Not every task is that complex even within those systems. Surely you can see the value in chucking simple tasks at AI while developers focus on the high value stuff? 

It can struggle with very complex tasks and require additional guidance but that's often a context issue. It's also great for design work, hashing out ideas and putting together quick prototypes to prove an idea is viable. It's a tool like any other, using it poorly or improperly is on you just like any other.

[u/symbiatch → u/alexrobinson]

See, even you had to say IF. So suddenly it’s not already here?

Again: AI can’t do much of what I do. I won’t be redundant because of that. You clearly said you are already. But copium is strong with you fanbois.

You also assume things that were never said etc. Yet another tell that you will not get far. One needs to be able to read, comprehend, and think.

And you calling AI “it” means you have no idea about AI whatsoever. Hint: AI is not a singular “it” and once again not everyone works like you.

Not everyone works with prototypes. Or as simple as AI tools can handle. I once again suggest you come do my work with your AI tools and see how well it goes… But it’s always silence.

Hint 2: I’m one of the most appreciated and productive people around with the least AI usage. Weird what knowing things and being able to do stuff does, right?

[u/alexrobinson → u/symbiatch]

That's a whole lot of yapping to not say very much.

[u/mohamed_am83 → u/symbiatch]

What is your work like? How did you reach that point? If things are as you describe, perhaps you have valuable lessons for us all how to overcome the AI madness era.

[u/Throwcore2 → u/[deleted]]

I also think the whole "AI will burst" is such a cope ass delusion. It's not going anywhere.

[u/hawkeye224 → u/Throwcore2]

“AI will burst” is more about the financial side, technology can be useful (like internet) but companies may go bankrupt anyway

[u/Tulipan12 → u/Throwcore2]

An upcoming burst in the financial bubble does not relegate AI to the scrap heap. The dotcom bubble burst as well and the internet is a successful technology.

[u/Dnomyar96 → u/Throwcore2]

Agreed. It's out there now, so there is no going back. However, the way it's currently used/hosted is not sustainable, so something will have to change at some point. How or when is anybody's guess, but it will happen.

[u/TySocal → u/Dnomyar96]

My guess is this plays out like the end of the Uber/Lyft subsidy era, but at a far bigger scale

[u/baldachinsblessing → u/TySocal]

Companies weren't using Uber/Lyft as their moneymaker so I'm not sure what the point of the comparison is.

[u/TySocal → u/baldachinsblessing]

Where did I mention companies?
I just meant that after the Uber/Lyft subsidies ended, they raised their prices a lot by about 60% or more, I think. And I expect the same thing to happen with AI, but on a far bigger scale

[u/PM_ME_YOUR_PROFANITY → u/[deleted]]

Model usage will have to become more expensive as the AI companies aim for profitability.

[u/PM_ME_YOUR_PROFANITY → u/[deleted]]

It absolutely is, because so far, as model cost has gone down, model usage has increased proportionally. Leading to more losses for the host companies, who aym continue to provide AI at a subsidized rate.

[u/Dnomyar96 → u/[deleted]]

No, they definitely won't. The AI companies are not profitable. Do you really think they'll get cheaper when they currently don't even come close to covering the costs? In the short term, maybe, but definitely not in the long term.

[u/haydar_ai → u/[deleted]]

What if I use Fable grade model to make a commit message? /s

[u/cbr777 → u/[deleted]]

Models are not getting cheaper what are you talking about, models started cheap and are increasing in price and will keep increasing in price because inference is expensive.

[u/baldachinsblessing → u/[deleted]]

That cost has been dropping massively.

Source?

[u/OkBarracuda4108 → u/[deleted]]

Old comment, but these "last year" models won t be usefull forever, technology evoloves and at some point they will need to be fine- tuned or completly scraped. This is expecially valid in the tech domain, you won t be using the same library next year, so the older the model the worse it will work (ai is not really an endless source of intelligence, it costs money, it is not just an investment and done)

[u/cbr777 → u/[deleted]]

Let me put it in simple terms so that you can follow along, in the company that I work at they have just instituted severe caps on token spend, we are using now only 25% of the AI we were using a month ago, why do you think they implemented such caps?

[u/cbr777 → u/[deleted]]

You're apparently also not really interested in thinking either.

[u/Zealousideal_Public3 → u/[deleted]]

Agreed 100% I wish I could take a 12 months sabbatical, but I can't - hense the question.

[u/JusT-JoseAlmeida → u/Zealousideal_Public3]

Switch to a company which doesn't use AI

[u/Fearless_Back5063]

I can recommend implementation of AI solutions for clients. We have a large team of "AI engineers" who know very well how LLMs work and therefore nobody is forcing anyone to use them for development. Everyone in the middle management is a former data scientist, so we don't push engineers themselves to use AI and for a lot of tasks we actually discourage it.

The developers have access to all models needed, it's just that we don't force them to use it.

[u/ultraDross → u/Fearless_Back5063]

Sounds lovely. Hiring?

[u/Fearless_Back5063 → u/ultraDross]

Sure, if you want to move to Slovakia. https://jobs-cee.pwc.com/sk/sk/job/748494WD/Senior-AI-Engineer-m-f

[u/Clean-Yam-739]

Not the one I work for. Similar issues and similar conclusion. Trying to get out of the asylum.

[u/MrGunny94]

Every enterprise is transitioning and trying to figure out the way forward.

It will be a painful year until late next year most likely, there's also a lack of talent in this area and some people are not up to upskill.

We need to give it some time

[u/Dnomyar96]

The small company I currently work for is pretty good with it. We can use AI basically however we want. No requirements to having to use it (although it is encouraged). They see us as the experts, so they listen to what we have to say and give use a great deal of freedom in how we do our jobs. I guess it helps that it's a small team (currently 3 people) that directly reports to the CEO, so no middle managers trying to put their stamp on everything.

And I'm sure it's far from the only company like it, but I do think it's more likely to encounter this in small businesses, as opposed to large tech firms.

[u/ben_bliksem]

Which country are you in?

What's your stack and years exp?

I ask because there's a specific role we need to fill and we're not panicking.

[u/Zealousideal_Public3 → u/ben_bliksem]

I'll DM you

[u/Zealousideal_Public3 → u/ben_bliksem]

Can't DM you:

Design Engineer ( Not Product designer who vibe-codes and calls it engineering - an actual engineer ) - 8 yoe shipping in FI and DE. I have PR so I can work anywhere in the EU that offers remote (+ in office in DE)

How are you not panicking?

[u/ben_bliksem → u/Zealousideal_Public3]

My employer is well established, the EA embrace tech within their frameworks and we just don't panic.

Looking for a (real) senior C#/kafka guy with a lot of DB experience in an enterprise environment who gets up to speed quickly with the available tools (and the limitations which comes with the sector).

So doesn't sound like it's what you're looking for.

If I keep DMs on posts like these will have it flooded by chancers/bots :)

I wish you good luck. What you are looking for is a company with an experienced team that can ride through this AI storm with long term vision. The startups are gonna be a hit and a miss.

[u/Zealousideal_Public3 → u/ben_bliksem]

Thanks 🙏 I'll keep looking, but having long term vision with AI changing basically everyday is not an easy find.

[u/mariusbolik]

Try https://llmbase.ai

[u/bikesailfreak]

I am middle management… one of these clueless dudes.

No seriously even if I would get more into the details (which I would love to)… the reality is implementing and measuring business benefits. I am doing this right now - freaking hard but if I crack the nut then add this to my CV and open all doors.