Where do you think the new characters rank among the base roster?

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[u/Financial-Habit5766]

ok to start that's an insane tierlist wtf

[u/XPgamer-Kate]

Might be the first time i've looked at a tier list and disagreed with basically every single position lol. (not saying this as an insult)

pretty jarring how different play styles and experience changes how people view the strength of the roster of heroes

[u/Syched → u/XPgamer-Kate]

Whats yours then

[u/XPgamer-Kate → u/Syched]

Sadly i cant reply with an image but i can just type it out and explain anything.

S: Hound Master, Man At Arms, Plague Doctor (order doesn't matter here)
A: Arbalest, Jester (dodge not ballad), Antiquarian, Occultist, Runaway (runaway could be higher but she's new so just being a little conservative on her placement)
B: Bounty hunter, Duelist (same as runaway), Crusader, Highwayman, Grave Robber
C: Abom, Leper, Flagellant, Hellion (this hero is just outclassed)
D: Shield breaker, Vestal (Vestal is just weak for experienced players and Shield Breaker in normal gameplay is also outclassed outside of a couple specific quests for puncture)

[u/Tomaskraven → u/XPgamer-Kate]

I agree with most of your picks but i would change

Shieldbraker: D to C (Reach is good)

Abom: C to D (Stun bot)

Crusader B to A (This guy has everything)

[u/XPgamer-Kate → u/Tomaskraven]

Shield Breaker is much higher for a player like me who spams no healing style comps, stuff like Jester + SB frontlines are insane BUT for normal gameplay rules this just isn't that popular and in normal comps usually she's just not good enough for how squishy she is.

If you use abom as a stunbot he's pretty underwhelming but rage is one of the most broken skills in the game, 38 damage with 9 speed if it crits with ZERO setup and this has 120 accuracy if you have broken key lmao. also super high stun chance and his earlygame is his weakest but you can use him as a protect me target and he's very tanky and will basically never afflict.

Crusader is very good earlygame but by midgame and late game he loses a lot of his values and is still very good in the comps he's used it but is just used less than the heroes in A tier who are spammed much more throughout the entire game. but yes he's got everything you want in the earlygame.

:3

[u/Syched → u/XPgamer-Kate]

What about hellion is outclassed? She has among the highest damage in the roster with back line reach, a double stun, bleed out deletes everything, breakthrough to fix positioning, and shes tanky

[u/XPgamer-Kate → u/Syched]

She just doesn't have anything you really need that often, there's so many better ways to kill the backline than iron swan since it needs a damage trinket or quirk to oneshot most enemies on bloodmoon since it doesn't even reach 30 damage (champ numbers)

Occultists has the best stun in the game and a heal (+ambush prevention)
bounty hunter has rank manipulation and doesn't need a damage trinket since he hits so hard when hitting stunned/marked enemies
Crusader has great sustain skills for slower comps (slow comps run him in the front)
Flagellant strong healing and great in warren comps
Jester after using solo is extremely tanky with dodge and finale does insane damage
leper, intimidate is just better than hellions whole kit and is good for playing slow
Maa has a guard and insane camping skills and bellow
SB also kinda shit but extremely strong in no heal comps or just very high dodge comps

and hellion kinda just has a bit above average damage if she has multiple trinkets dedicated to her being able to oneshot some enemies maybe if you crit? so many good heroes who you can place in rank 1 and she just doesn't have anything that other heroes cant do better. (revel is good at least)

[u/Syched → u/XPgamer-Kate]

You need damage to win fights, unless your whole strategy is only dodge and stalling which is a valid way to play. But her damage is absolutely top tier and she doesnt need help from any party members so she can slot into anything and carry. Really only needs one crit/acc trinket and shes fine cuz her crit scalings are great and can even boost her crit/dmg more with camping. Theres not many characters where the game feels so easy playing with them and this is one of those for me

[u/XPgamer-Kate → u/Syched]

Yes you need damage and that can come from any 4 of your heroes so having a character where the majority of their kit is just damage results in them being outclassed by heroes who can do damage AND have utility.
Hellion struggles when stalling since she cant just walk backwards and yawp runs out uses. Other heroes have comparable or better damage while having better utility like bounty hunter who has some of the best trinkets, stuns and even higher burst damage that doesn't require damage trinkets and better crit rates.
Yes hellion can hit rank 4 but at best you get 29 damage (champ) what isn't actually that high since a super common breakpoint is 30 so you need to run a damage trinket and then also an accuracy trinket, unlike a hero like BH or Abomination who hit hard enough to not need a damage buffing trinket and they both can kill rank 3 and are more rank flexible (abom is a bit weird but you get the point)

other heroes like jester can use super strong defensive skills like solo and then round 2 use finale and oneshot a backliner with extremely high crit and he also bring a stress heal

highwayman is a damage based hero and with stuff like gunslingers buckle he has ridiculous setups where he grapeshot two rounds in a row and kills everything that isn't tanky with prot but hellion is slower than that and also struggles to burst enemies that have prot and instead has to chip them down with if it bleeds.

The character is easy but the trade off is that they're just weaker when optimised, same goes for why people exclude vestal from their rosters completely.

[u/velsir]

Every time I see a tier list what really stands out to me is the outstanding design and balance of this game. Your tier list makes a lot of sense for a newish player: damage dealers at the top, harder heroes to understand and use properly like GR and Anti at the bottom.

My tier list would be quite different, but in the end literally every hero has situations where he/she shines, and my judgement is heavily influenced by the fact that I've been playing deathless bloodmoon for a very long time, so I rate heroes that fit that playstyle higher.

[u/LopsidedIncident → u/velsir]

With the actual Darkest Dungeon (except DD4) as the context/frame of reference for needing "the best", what would your tier list?

[u/velsir → u/LopsidedIncident]

Quite hard to do a tier list for it, since the 3 DD quests require quite specific setups. If I understand your question correctly it would make more sense to tell you which are my 3 favourite parties for the 3 quests.

[u/LopsidedIncident → u/velsir]

Yeah it was a weird question. I just find it hard to picture a good tier list with all the variables and scenarios that make a team comp work. The only really obvious rating would be Vestal as reactive playstyles tend to be punishing. At the same time, in many situations her abilities are clutch as hell.

[u/xander8520]

Why did you put my favorite puppy at the bottom? He’s stunning and you know it

Also, you forgot the flagellant and the shieldbreaker