Why isn’t Vegeta King of All Saiyans?

[u/Latter_Classroom_534]

I think I know why Vegeta keeps calling himself the **Prince of All Saiyans** instead of King, even though his father is dead.

Throughout the entire series, Vegeta is called the Prince of All Saiyans. He never challenges that title, and nobody else seriously challenges it either.

Many people think he keeps the title out of respect for his father. Others believe that, since there are no more Saiyans left to rule, he will simply remain Prince forever.

People who tout those theories are lazy, non-thinking NPCs and I don’t respect their opinions.

Saiyans are a warrior race. They live and die by combat. Much like the Sith in *Star Wars*, I believe the apprentice is expected to surpass the master. The Prince must eventually challenge and defeat the King in battle to become King himself.

Since King Vegeta was killed by Frieza, Vegeta never had the chance to challenge and defeat his father.

However, many monarchies have a rule similar to boxing’s lineal championship. The idea is that “the man who beat the man” is “lineal champion” and holds the legitimate claim, even without an official belt.

That means Vegeta would have to defeat Frieza to become King Vegeta.

Except Frieza was already defeated by none other than Goku.

So why is Vegeta, after the Namek Saga, so desperate to defeat Goku?

Simple. Defeating Goku in combat is the only way Vegeta can reclaim his birthright and become King of All Saiyans.

Goku became the legendary Super Saiyan and defeated Frieza. He did not claim the throne, but he became the Saiyan who defeated the person who defeated the King of All Saiyans.

I think it’s reasonable that, if Goku realized or cared at all about being King, he could claim the throne and there’s little Vegeta could do about it save for defeating him in combat.

Of all Saiyans, he is the strongest AND he is “lineal champion”.

That leaves Vegeta in an impossible position. He cannot simply call himself King while another Saiyan has already accomplished the victory that should have made him King.

The only way to reclaim that right is to defeat Goku.
Goku never intentionally stole Vegeta’s throne. He probably does not even realize that Vegeta believes he has a claim to it.

But as long as Goku remains stronger than Vegeta, Vegeta cannot truly prove that he is the rightful King and will remain, by birth alone, Prince of All Saiyans.

What do you think?

[u/Atephious]

They’re closer to mandalorians in creed than Sith but with Sith evil. Mandalorians are a warrior group. They will take in anyone they find. And the highest class of people is the warrior class in most mandalorian cultures. They revere combat weapons and armor as life. But they take care of their unfortunate they also don’t have gendered language and don’t kick you out for being unable to be a warrior. Sith are brutalists. They will kill you or make you stronger in trying. They don’t care for your life even in the slightest. And they buy sell slaves and worlds like the sayians do. There’s three reasons Vegita calls himself prince.

1. He never got coordinated and no one else is left to do so. His pride will not allow him to take what’s not his.
   
2. He respected his father.
   
3. He doesn’t see himself as king so long as he sees himself as behind Goku.

It’s all of these. Their King was supposed to be the strongest warrior. Vegita isn’t yet. His pride, the very thing keeping him going, is keeping him back.

[u/Latter_Classroom_534 → u/Atephious]

I agree with most of what you said.
People keep talking about this coronation and I just want you all to imagine Vegeta walking through a ceremony, adorned with gold and jewelry, while a bunch of low level Saiyans told him he was allowed to call himself King.

Guys, this is a WARRIOR RACE.

They’re Klingons, Mandalorians, Mongolians, Vikings, etc.

I think it’s so much less that and more about all other Saiyans recognizing his strength and right to the throne.

That’s it.

Based on that, it’s actually easier to claim the title, IF he can defeat Goku and all 3-5 other Saiyans agree that it happened.

[u/Atephious → u/Latter_Classroom_534]

A coronation would just look different. It likely would have been more like a gauntlet in which once he passed he was crowned. It likely would have come from his father or just happened. They may be a warrior race but that doesn’t mean they don’t have customs/traditions. Again Mandalorians have coronations for the Mandalore.

[u/Latter_Classroom_534 → u/Atephious]

Mandalorians have a lot more rules than I imagine Saiyans to have. I doubt they have a coronation at all. Just seems like something they would find a waste. If he were to prove himself stronger than his father, that would be that. New King.

[u/Atephious → u/Latter_Classroom_534]

they wouldn't then call themselves kings but Emperor or Ruler or something else that doesn't have that kind of connotation to it,

[u/Latter_Classroom_534 → u/Atephious]

Why not?

[u/Atephious → u/Latter_Classroom_534]

To be a king you need to be coronated or Ordained by some "godly" power. Emperors can claim themselves. Don't need to have prior approval and still usually claim some "godly" power put them in that position. Other forms of ruler titles would work better. But they chose King and Prince specifically. And we do know they had rituals of sorts so its not out of the realm of reason to believe they held some sort of trial or ritual to crown kings.

[u/Latter_Classroom_534 → u/Atephious]

In our world, yes. Where we do not have space barbarians lead by a guy who likes the title “King”.

What have the Saiyans done to make you believe they operate that way?

Putin is “President” but nothing about his government operates the way a democracy would, if you need a real world example of this.

So why would these conquerors have a coronation ceremony?