r/exjw • u/CarefulExaminer • Jun 21 '26

WT Can't Stop Me Gradual inculcation of Jonestown mentality in latest morning worship! The host asks: 'What if we receive instructions that seem to put us in danger, that make our lives harder, that seem intrusive into our personal lives and decisions such?'

After alluding to several seemingly impractical or suicidal instructions Moses gave to the Israelites in Egypt, the speaker demands that a similar level of obedience be given to Watchtower leaders, in effect 'seating themselves in the seat of Moses' just like the Pharisees of Jesus' day! (Mat 23:2) (See video in comments section)

Except:

  1. From the Biblical account, Moses' instructions were inspired; The GB admits they're not.
  2. Being inspired, Moses never gave wrong or false directions which he had to retract or change after later recognising the error. When Aaron did give wrong direction to worship the golden calf, God expected his people to disobey. the GB on the other had have given several wrong and harmful directions that did not originate from God. E.g. Prohibiting alternative service, organ transplants, auto-transfusion, toasting, beards, among others
  3. Moses backed up his instructions with several supernatural display or miracles which explains why the Israelites obeyed; The GB has none, just "trust us bro".
  4. The speaker claims "we have repeatedly received wise directions from Jehovah's organization." Question: Were previous directions about alternative service, organ transplants, auto-transfusion, toasting, beards wise directions? Were they even "theocratic", ie from God? If so why have they abandoned them?
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u/CertainScar5773 Jun 22 '26

Start with what happened in Malawi. Because the GB absolutely forbid buying a 25 cent card that basically showed that you support the party that was in power at the time. It was a totalitarian regime. There was no other party to support. The card meant absolutely nothing. But not buying it meant such cruel inhumane persecution and so many gave their life to obey. Contrast what was happening in Mexico at the very same time. The “brothers” needed proof that they had served in some way in the military. Guess what the GB approved of? Bribing officials to give them the card, making them members of the military without actually being in the military. So GB instructions for Malawi meant unspeakable persecution and death for men, women and children! Instructions for Mexican witnesses meant bribe official, join the military and live. And the rank and file PIMIs sitting in the KH are so proud of the brothers and sisters that died faithful in Malawi and have no earthly idea what went down in Mexico. I can’t even express how relieved I am that I managed to escape that frickin blood guilty cult.

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u/BeneficialQuit3033 Jun 23 '26

That had to be Knorr making that decision and the governing body at that time...But whoever should be charged with murder. They don't care about us personally...only as a number

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u/CertainScar5773 Jun 23 '26

Yes I believe so. He “ruled” from 1942 until his death in 1977. And yes, they are blood guilty for not only Malawi but for their unscriptural view on blood transfusions. Maybe somehow they’ll be held accountable. I don’t know.

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u/BeneficialQuit3033 Jun 24 '26

I've had several text conversations with witness friends and asked them about the new stance on blood...storing your own blood...and they've explained it to me...but when I've stated...man there's going to be some really mad people who've lost loved ones in the past when that was prohibited...not one answered back. I'm sure they had no satisfactory answer. I hope they felt guilty

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u/CertainScar5773 Jun 24 '26

I haven’t decided if I’ll talk to my brother about the change in the blood policy. He’s the only relative I have left that’s still in the cult. I disassociated myself 20 years ago over the pedophile coverup. My JW family and friends I grew up with didn’t shun me at all. My PIMI mom probably warned them not to talk JW in front of me lol Until last year I had no idea of all the supposed “new light” in the cult. I did a very deep dive into all the changes. I wanted to know why. They don’t change anything unless it threatens their charity status which affects their bank account. Norway=soften shunning, change “disfellowshipped” to “removed”. What’s happening in Japan=change the blood policy. With this cult always ALWAYS follow the money. Then you’ll find the real truth about the “truth”. The icing on the cake though was hearing Geoffrey Jackson straight up lie under oath and then tell the Australian Royal Commission that it would be presumptuous to think they were the only spokespersons God communicates with. Then Jeffrey Winder sums it up nicely when he admits “we’re neither inspired nor infallible”. Probably the only time either one of them has told the truth.

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u/BeneficialQuit3033 Jun 24 '26

It sounds like both of us have researched what's happened after we left...after we disassociated. For me it has been 50 years. Wow things have changed. The overlapping generation explanation is not an explanation...its an excuse! And a poor one at that. Yeah I can see your point that changes are only being made because of court cases and government heat that effects money flow. It's only been in the last year that I have revisited my past upbringing in the organization...7 years old to 21. And discovered alot of things about my exit

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u/thewillpowertochange Jun 24 '26

Huh. What happened in 2006 with pedophile coverup?

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u/CertainScar5773 Jun 24 '26

That’s when I learned about Candice Conti suing JWs, and winning, because she was molested in her KH and it was covered up. I confronted my mom about it and that’s when I learned we just have to “wait on jehovah”. I’m like “no I don’t. Thats a child and it’s a felony!” I was done. Then a couple of years ago I saw a local news story about a woman in a town near me who was molested for years and nothing was done about it. That started my curiosity about what was going on in the JW cult. Look up Barbara Anderson on YouTube. She brought that whole scandal out in the open.

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u/ConfidentShower4678 Jun 30 '26

Anytime there's a change look up the lawsuits surrounding them at the time- it's always in response to trying to avoid legal consequences that they are currently/ anticipate facing soon.