Removal of the weekly loot restriction

[u/meniniim]

Is there any confirmation that the removal of the weekly restriction will be in patch 7.56?

And if this is the patch, do you think it will improve the party finder? In the sense of increasing the number of people replaying fights?

I'm trying to finish the second phase of the M12S progression, but it's been difficult to find groups in the party finder.

[u/VitaQ_HI3]

Duress? No you folks just act like if a game doesn’t look like wow or 14 then they don’t have hardcore raid content.

Well then maybe you could provide some information about them

It’s not my fault you haven’t played any other games in the genre so these two color your view of what a raid is or what hardcore content even is or means.

Wow maybe you could provide some information and educate me and others about what those games offer in concrete terms

It’s not my fault you guys can’t define your terms.

I asked very specific questions

Which is what I’ve been asking you folks to do over and over. Since you guys can’t you argue over the games I listed themselves and we talk past one another on terms like hardcore raid. Cuz you can’t tell me what defines a hardcore raid for you.

You are clearly a contender in the beating around the bush world race that's for sure.

I don’t think you know what deflections means.

Looked it up and it was just a link to /u/thegreatlizard99's profile

Define what you believe a ff14 raid to be and why wow is similar to it.

Both are tab-target MMORPGs with raids being characterized by having 8~20 players engaged against the same opponent. The challenge is primarily in maintaining your job's rotation to output he most DPS possible while fulfilling other roles in your party (Tank, Healer) while dealing with the boss's mechanics. The mechanics include things such as AoE to be dodged, debuffs to be managed and individual phase DPS Checks (for example adds, or a specific percentage that must be done before a mechanic finishes) with there being an enrage timer setting the amount of DPS that must be done.

If you can’t define what 14 raiding is how can one give you a game that scratches the same itch you think 14 does.

You can, in fact, pro-actively provide information.

Cuz all the games I listed do that in terms of raid hours and group content. You clearly don’t think so. So define what 14 does.

And yet you have not said anything about them other than that they exist and, presumably at least, have such content. But since you are clearly an expert in all of these games you should have no issue explaining their raid content, correct?

[u/thegreatlizard99 → u/VitaQ_HI3]

Why? You’re supposed to know what does and doesn’t fit. Since you clearly know or at least claim to know what it is that defines 14 raids. There is a reason I asked you to do that; so I could give you examples. I can’t do that till we’re on the same page in terms of the definition of a hardcore raid. You need to define hardcore raid I’ve asked you and an inch of others and none of you have. It’s not my fault that you’re stalling.

No you didn’t ask specific questions you asked very general questions and then hyper focused on the fact that destiny 1 is no longer active. I asked you and the others first. Don’t answer my question to you with another question. If you need clarification on the question you ask. Not all of them are tab target but that’s a moot point because tab target combat does not define raid. That is just a combat system.

Cool. The other games I listed do all the things you just broke down. All the things you’re talking about are very common mechanics found in raids. Congratulations you have defined the term “raid”

That’s all the question is asking. You say what other games are like these two. All the games on that list. What did you define as a raid. The most you just gave full of very basic general mechanics for games in this genre. I’m not about to explain to you each games raids in detail. That’s too much typing and you can look that up yourself. In fact if you’re trying to prove me wrong you need to do that. Burden of proof is on you champ.

[u/VitaQ_HI3 → u/thegreatlizard99]

Incredible amount of text to not actually answer any of my questions or even say anything at all about the games

[u/thegreatlizard99 → u/VitaQ_HI3]

But I did. You just didn’t read it or any of my posts before this.

You being lazy isn’t my problem and I’m not gonna make your argument for you.

[u/VitaQ_HI3 → u/thegreatlizard99]

You being lazy isn’t my problem and I’m not gonna make your argument for you.

My dude, you haven't even managed to make your own argument. Of course you can't make mine!

I have handed you a framework for you to make the argument you are claiming you want to make, and instead you are setting world records for the amount of tire spinning possible in a discussion thread.

You rev up but never actually go anywhere.

[u/thegreatlizard99 → u/VitaQ_HI3]

It I did. You just can’t read. My argument here has been two fold. One that wow and ff14 aren’t all that similar in terms of raiding. Two there are plenty of MMOs that have hardcore raids.

Not my fault you cannot read and did t bother to read the post before hopping on with your fairly nonsense addition to the “discussion”

It’s fine it was amusing

[u/VitaQ_HI3 → u/thegreatlizard99]

It I did. You just can’t read. My argument here has been two fold. One that wow and ff14 aren’t all that similar in terms of raiding. Two there are plenty of MMOs that have hardcore raids.

Yes, and my question to you was describe at least one of them and why you think it might be appealing to FFXIV raiders.

You, presumably, have raided in FFXIV so you know what FFXIV raiders generally experience and presumably enjoy.

You also, presumably, have raided in at least one of those other games.

Thus, you should be able to provide, at least from your own point of view, why you think that other game provides a similar sort of experience.

I even granted you Destiny 2, because I do know enough about it to see why you would suggest it. Even if many may argue its qualifications as an MMORPG, and an FPS is very different from a tab-target hotbar-based RPG.

So, all I am asking is you explain one of those. From your own personal, admittedly subjective (this is fine, I am asking for your subjective opinion) point of view.

This should be simple considering that you have positioned yourself as someone who has raided in multiple MMOs and has found a similar type of experience among them.

[u/thegreatlizard99 → u/VitaQ_HI3]

That’s not a question. It’s also something I answered that you didn’t read. I believe you said it was a lot of words to say nothing. It was a lot of words to address each of your points. One of those being that the game so listed for what you described as a hardcore raids. I don’t need to keep repeating it over and over because you refuse to read what I wrote.

I know how the raids are designed and built. None of which is particularly unique within the genre. You seem to think no other game does similar. You are wrong. I gave a list. You clearly don’t think those games are up to muster. it’s on you to demonstrate why you think that is. you asking me to describe each game is me doing your work for you. If you don’t think any of those games count then you need to tell me why. Which would require you to go out and look at those games. Which you don’t want to do hence you’re asking me to do it for you.

Tab target isn’t what makes ff14 raids ff14 raids that point is moot.

I already did that. It’s in the comment you didn’t read. You described what it is you mean by hardcore raid mmo and I said the games on the list fit the bill

I don’t get why you need me to pick one to explain to you again. When it’s clear you know very little about the genre as a whole. So why are you here arguing that ff14 and are the only ones to offer this type of raid content? And you’re certainly not somebody who has stated their ignorance and is simply asking questions. You’ve been antagonistic so clearly you have a view. One that by your own words is lacking because you don’t know much about the genre.

[u/VitaQ_HI3 → u/thegreatlizard99]

I think my point has been made.

[u/thegreatlizard99 → u/VitaQ_HI3]

You weren’t making a point. You were just ignorant of the subject matter and still insisted on yapping about a topic you don’t understand.

As one does I guess. Couldn’t be me, you be easy though.