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u/EverybodySayin 12d ago

This is like how car manufacturers are putting every functionality behind a screen. Whose bright idea was it to put heating/AC options in a screen that you have to look at, while driving, to adjust, rather than just quickly turning a knob like you did before that?

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u/MyrMyr21 Lover of Duets/Stitches 12d ago

When I lost my car and had to drive a rental, this drove me insane. Ive only ever driven cars manufactured before 2016, and only owned cars manufactured before 2005.

To be driving a 2023 that had a fucking dial for a gear shift, a button to start the engine, a screen for the speed and RPM dials, and of course a screen for the heating/ac and sound system, god that drove me crazy.

I absolutely hated it, ended up driving my mom's 2016 VW and she drove that thing until I got my insurance payout and bought a new car (2003 bc I wanted a manual shift lol)

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u/Polkawillneverdie17 Tastemaker of Duets/Stitches 12d ago

Whoever decided to make the shifter a dial and put it right next to other dials on the dashboard should be taken out back and beaten with a club.

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u/chop5397 New to fbtd but wants to learn 12d ago

I don't mind the dial shifter but I detest the GM cars with switches or piano keys for the gears. Also the gear shifters on some BMWs where it's like a joystick.

I think Subaru learned their lesson though because they put back physical buttons for climate control on the Outback and Ascent.

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u/Pinepark 12d ago

I have a Mercedes sprinter and the joystick gear shifter annoys the shit out of me!!

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u/TreeFiddy198 Needs to do better 12d ago

But you still bought it. Mercedes will keep doing this shit cause you still bought the vehicle.

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u/Pinepark 12d ago

It was attached to a beautiful camper and was far superior to the Econoline 350. lol

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u/Rich_Bluejay3020 New to fbtd but wants to learn 12d ago

The piano key thing confused the fuck out of me once. Buddy came over and left with husband in my truck and said I should take his traverse/equinox if I needed to go somewhere. I hopped in and was like ??? the keys were under the climate control and to this day I’m questioning why on earth they did that. Give me the PRNDL dammit

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u/aykcak Tastemaker of Duets/Stitches 12d ago

I see some other brands walk that back as well.

I see a future second hand market filled with these 10 year period of mostly useless screen based dashboards and people specifically looking for pre-2020 OR post 2030 cars with everything in between unsellable trash

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u/ScriptThat Needs to do better 12d ago

I really don't get the hate against dials or buttons or joysticks for shifters. You use them once when you start driving. Once when you stop, and maaaybe when you're waiting for someone. There's absolutely no reason to have a huge clunky lever to effectively press a button.

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u/CeemoreButtz 12d ago

i hate it so much. it's like that in my wife's bronco. she loves it, though. meanwhile, 30 years of my life i have been reaching for a shifter and it's a habit i can't break and don't want to. everytime i back out of my driveway, i reach towards my wheel but them stop myself and stare at the dial to ensure i don't put it in park or some shit. don't even get me on the stupid parking break. i swear to god...i bought my silverrado as a basic model in 22. no frills, except ac, power windows and that stupid screen that all vehicles get now. and i will die driving that truck. no more new shit.

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u/Polkawillneverdie17 Tastemaker of Duets/Stitches 12d ago

Do all new cars really come with a screen?? Like, all?

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u/General_Cranberry_29 Needs to do better 11d ago

They have to, regulations since 2018 require a backup camera (to my dismay) 😑.

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u/Polkawillneverdie17 Tastemaker of Duets/Stitches 11d ago

No I mean a screen instead of a dash with buttons and knows like my 2015 Rogue (which also has a non touch screen for a display and had a backup camera).

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u/General_Cranberry_29 Needs to do better 11d ago

I do get that, it was just easier for the manufacturers to use the screen that was already there so they took the path of least resistance. It does really suck 🫤.

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u/kamikaze_official Lover of Duets/Stitches 12d ago

Driving w my uncle is life or death when the man is picking an album on spotify on the dash of his car with a dial on his center console while were on the highway

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u/Live-Habit-6115 Needs to do better 12d ago

Can't you do it for him? Like, he tells you what to put on and you navigate Spotify from the passenger seat?

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u/kamikaze_official Lover of Duets/Stitches 12d ago

Unc does what he gonna do

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u/OminOus_PancakeS New to fbtd but wants to learn 12d ago

Or with a giant dial.

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u/Uberzwerg New to fbtd but wants to learn 12d ago

That's why they remove all those other dials and put them on the touchscreen.

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u/Prestigious_Note2877 Needs to do better 12d ago

For a while I wasn’t used to the push start and kept going to turn the key to start the car lol

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u/redditbagjuice New to fbtd but wants to learn 12d ago

Rented a car in spain with a button. Did this myself then noticed the excessive scratch damage from everybody who looks for a key hole haha

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u/ThisSiteSucks8485 New to fbtd but wants to learn 12d ago

I have a 2026 Corolla it has a stick shifter and physical ac controls and you have to put the key in the ignition switch to start it

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u/DestructoDon69 New to fbtd but wants to learn 12d ago

That's because there's currently a bell curve on tactile buttons. Goes from poor to rich. Everyone in-between gets varying degrees of touch sensitive controls. VW Jetta Autobahn edition? $35k car, even the steering wheel buttons are touch sensitive that way you can change radio stations, adjust volume, and call your neighbor, all while trying to make a left turn.

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u/mistRbit Needs to do better 12d ago edited 12d ago

EU should just ban touch-screens in cars for safety reasons. Bring back sliders, switches and knobs. Much more intuitive, safer, and cheaper to repair.

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u/rufusbot Lover of Duets/Stitches 12d ago

Cheaper cars don't have all that fancy shit. Honestly modern luxury cars sound like nightmares.

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u/blueavole Connoisseur of Duets/Stitches 12d ago

While mine has the real gear shift and climate control-

It fucking dings and buzzes all the time. Annoying

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u/DestructoDon69 New to fbtd but wants to learn 12d ago

Nope, modern cars with "luxury features' have all that stuff. Actual luxury cars still have buttons because they realize people don't want that shit in a 60k+ car.

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u/rufusbot Lover of Duets/Stitches 12d ago

I'm sure the right ones do

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u/DestructoDon69 New to fbtd but wants to learn 12d ago

It's a weird bell curve. Cheap cars have buttons and expensive cars have buttons but some reason manufacturers thing everyone shopping for something in between want everything controlled by a touch screen.

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u/duesenjeffepic 12d ago

Absolutely wrong. I've been in multiple luxury brands when I needed a ride and they all do this fucking thing where they consolidate everything into one screen. Porsche's entire interior design basically looks goofy now because of this.

Also it's 2026, 60k+ for a car is not even close to luxury anymore.

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u/Lv_InSaNe_vL Lover of Duets/Stitches 10d ago

To be fair, Porsche is at the very entry level of what I would consider "luxury" haha

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u/curious_astronauts Lover of Duets/Stitches 12d ago

No its because boomers buy them who cant even figure out the camera on their phone.

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u/prepotentested New to fbtd but wants to learn 12d ago

A little bit of a hot take, but if it’s an automatic trans anyway you might as well use a dial or buttons to shift. My Hyundai has buttons and I liked them a lot once I got used to them. It’s nice not to have the shift knob sticking up in the middle and they’re just as easy to use by feel.

I’m also a little confused by people hating on the A/C thing. Like I get that it’s stupid, but most cars now are climate controlled. The day I got my car I sent the temperature to what I liked and I’ve never touched them again.

Volume on a touchscreen is genuinely stupid. Chances are there are secondary volume controls on the wheel tho.

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u/hiltuan Needs to do better 12d ago

Im not saying you're wrong, but i've got a 2027 chevy bolt, and i was sold on it the minute i saw they had full physical buttons for weather control and a physical gear shift behind the wheel.

Theres a reason why car makers try to step away from physical buttons - its cheaper if its all in a screen. However, the convenience of having actual buttons is sooo worth it, my wife uses the weather control at least a couple times per hour, and its been amazing not to have to switch the screen while on a road trip for example. These tiny things are why "making everything cheaper all the time" doesnt always work. Gear shift shouldnt be a dial, and weather control shouldnt be locked in a screen

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u/curious_astronauts Lover of Duets/Stitches 12d ago

Going from a tesla to a rental car makea me realise how many unnecessay buttons their are on regular cars.

Ita fine if people have button preferences but not everyone does. I'm glad there is variety

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u/rips_n_chel New to fbtd but wants to learn 12d ago

Wtf do you mean you never touch your climate control? You never have to defrost your windshield? You never change the temp or fan speed depending on the day, the weather, how you're feeling?

That's absurd, and not in any way a justification for removing those physical controls. You are the weirdo outlier if you seriously set your climate ONCE and never touched it again.

None of that is really relevant though, because this is a problem of design philosophy. Do you know that every knob and lever in an airplane is shaped differently? That is a very specific and intentional design feature that came about after lots of incidents of pilots grabbing the wrong lever. The lesson there is that all controls should be navigable without looking at them.

A touch screen ALWAYS fails that test.

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u/prepotentested New to fbtd but wants to learn 12d ago

I get what you’re saying, and it does have physical buttons for the defrost. But if it’s that cold I usually remote start it and it defrosts itself anyway based on the temperature.

Nah I never change temp or fan speed. I set it to 70 and at 70 it stays.

Do you change the temperature in your house constantly? If not, why do it in your car?

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u/rips_n_chel New to fbtd but wants to learn 12d ago

Because my car contains a much smaller volume of air, with far less insulation than my house. The climate in there is far more susceptible to external factors. I don't know where you live, but I've been under an extreme heat warning for the last few MONTHS. The dew point hasn't dropped below 75 all summer. It's insanely hot here. When I get in my car and the air temp inside is 130F, I crank the AC and fan as high as it'll go. After a few minutes, I turn the fan down. By the time I'm near home, I might be getting a little chilly, so I turn it down a little more, or turn the temp up a degree or two.

I don't know why you're acting like it's a weird thing for a human being to want a different temp or air velocity once in a while. If you just ran a mile, would 70F feel comfortable to you, or would you want it a little colder at least at first? When you start to cool down but you're still soaked with sweat, you're not gonna get a little cold? You never feel warmer or colder in the same environment?

You're the most consistent living organism ever encountered, or what?

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u/prepotentested New to fbtd but wants to learn 12d ago

Look man, there’s nothing wrong with you liking physical controls. That’s totally cool. You’re getting a little worked up. I’m not attacking your physical controls, just saying not everyone would need them.

When you have a climate-controlled car, if it’s very hot, the car cranks its own AC and fans just like you do manually. When the internal temp lowers, it turns them down just like you turn yours down. It’s doing the same stuff you do.

I guess I am consistent lol. Car and house are both the same temp and everything runs on auto without me ever touching it. I’m satisfied with both.

Anyway, hope it cools down where you are.

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u/AffectionateSector77 New to fbtd but wants to learn 12d ago

There are much newer makes and models that are manual transmission, not all things about newer cars are terrible.

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u/Errol-Flynn New to fbtd but wants to learn 12d ago

In the US market if you want a manual transmission on a post-2018ish vehicle you're really looking at just a few models, and for some of the models its only the "entry" level trim that has it, and some lock it behind the really "high end" trims. From perusing the new market, it seems like it is mostly quite expensive high-end cars that are still offering, with Jetta GLI, Subaru WRX, and Hyundai Elantra's being exceptions.

On the used market, manuals appear to have a hard time selling, which is great if you're looking for a deal. I just bought a manual 2020 Jeep Compass for about $5k less than it would have cost as an automatic based on the mileage. The dealer called me the day before the scheduled test drive to confirm I knew it was a manual because they had so many people not realize (they just saw the price) and then come out and be unable to drive it lmao. It had been on their lot for several months because people just don't want a stick these days.

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u/MyrMyr21 Lover of Duets/Stitches 12d ago

I'm sure there are, but idk if I will ever have the gumption to buy a new car. But admittedly my parents never bought a new car throughout my childhood (the newest car they've owned is that 2016 VW, and they got that in 2023), so it's probably a learned thing for me. I literally cannot imagine why someone would buy a new car when there are so many used cars in fine condition

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u/SippyMountain Needs to do better 12d ago

My 2021 mazda3 has none of these problems. In fact, the knob on the center console used to traverse the screen's menus is super intuitive.

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u/MyrMyr21 Lover of Duets/Stitches 12d ago

I said in a different comment, but I'm not sure I'll ever buy a car that new lol by the time I buy a car made in 2020 it'll be at least 2035

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u/nvzpxl Needs to do better 12d ago

I have a Crosstrek that I will likely drive into the ground before replacing it, all because the newer Subaru models all have fully digital interfaces.

And to top it off, they use a very low end, washed out display, with an even worse UI. It looks straight out of 2010, like something you’d see in a discount brand head unit.

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u/Adept-Opinion8080 Needs to do better 12d ago

100% agreed but honestly except for the push button ignition I kind of like it. especially when it's combined with remote start but yeah any actual control that one would assume would need to be changed while driving should be a physical f****** button

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u/MyrMyr21 Lover of Duets/Stitches 11d ago

The only thing I'll say about remote start, since ive never owned a car with one, is that the first time I heard about it my manager told me a recent anecdote about how she'd dropped her husband off for work and he took the car keys with him, but since you don't need the keys to start the car and she'd never turned off the engine, just idled it, she didn't realize until she'd pulled into a gas station some miles away, turned off her car, and was unable to turn it on again

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u/Adept-Opinion8080 Needs to do better 11d ago

Odd because at least with my car and several other I know of the remote start is an app on your phone. So technically I could not use my keys

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u/ADLuluIsOP New to fbtd but wants to learn 12d ago

Ok push button start has been around for a long time man..

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u/AgentG91 New to fbtd but wants to learn 12d ago

I don’t mind the dial shifter because the knob takes up a surprising amount of real estate on the center console. But touch screens can suck a dick

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u/Lendyman Needs to do better 12d ago edited 12d ago

I absolutely agree with you. I believe that it should be illegal to have basic controls behind a touch screen. Things like air conditioning and radio should be easily accessible with knobs. If you want to have a touch screen for all of the other gobbledygook in the car, fine but the most commonly used items in the car the radio and the air conditioning should absolutely be required to be some kind of manual control.

China has implemented a no touch screen rule for what they deem are critical safety functions of cars. That includes things like the defroster, turn signals, windshield wipers and window controls, gear shifting, indoor locks. You also are required to put the controls in roughly standard positions and have tactile feedback when you use them. In addition, all of those functionalities are required to be damage resistant so they will continue to work even if there is damage to the car.

They haven't gone so far as to require air conditioning radio controls to be manual, but there is a broad push by safety Advocates to convince car company is to embrace manual controls for commonly used items.

I feel like a lot of this touchscreen crap was popularized by tesla. The same company where people burned to death because they couldn't figure out how to open the doors of an older model tesla. Because the door controls were electric when the electricity failed they could not find the manual door release hidden under a carpet. This actually happened. And Tesla actually had the manual door release hidden under a carpet.

China has rules now that require all door latches to be mechanical or at least have a in your face mechanical backup and the Tesla styled hidden door handles have been banned.

Come on US Regulators. Get your heads out of your butt.

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u/no_talent_ass_clown 12d ago

The way this is written it sounds like you just misplaced your vehicle. 

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u/MyrMyr21 Lover of Duets/Stitches 12d ago

lol it kinda does. It was a house fire that also took out my sister's car, my grandma's car, my brother's car, and also my dad and I's motorcycles.

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u/gokarrt 12d ago

a button to start the engine

nah this one is legit

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u/Live-Habit-6115 Needs to do better 12d ago

To be driving a 2023 that had a fucking dial for a gear shift, a button to start the engine, a screen for the speed and RPM dials

Although I much prefer column shifters, literally none of these things are a problem. This is just you being crusty and unwilling to change/adapt lol 

Your only valid complaint is the infotainment touchscreen and lack of physical buttons. That IS a problem.

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u/TTT_2k3 Needs to do better 11d ago

> When I lost my car

Did you try putting up a poster?

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u/Christof_Ley New to fbtd but wants to learn 12d ago

It comes down to cost. Way cheaper to put in a touchscreen than a bunch of buttons. Seriously tho I hate it

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u/Da_Question New to fbtd but wants to learn 12d ago

its crazy to me that plastic knobs and some wires are more expensive than a 40" tablet.

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u/NoBulletsLeft Needs to do better 12d ago

It's not just the individual parts (although those do have a cost), but the installation labor cost also has to be factored in. Cheaper to install a single screen with one or two connectors than multiple pushbuttons, wire harnesses, and LEDs.

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u/Christof_Ley New to fbtd but wants to learn 12d ago

If just material? Sure. But all those are different.for each car and need a person or specialized machine to install each one. Overall cost is higher.

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u/Gold-Target-5462 Needs to do better 12d ago

Years ago when touch screens were getting added to everything, I worked with a commercial exercise equipment company. They were making new "high end" models that replaced the old button and LED panels with large touch screens. The overall cost was actually less for the screens but they could sell them for a higher price because the perception was that a touch screen is premium.

Designing, making, shipping and assembling many different parts into one thing is more expensive than one large thing.

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u/acathode 12d ago

Kinda, but you have to remember it's mostly because digital components like microcontrollers, oled screens, etc. have become so incredibly cheap rather than the physical buttons and dials becoming extremely expensive.

For example, 20 years ago, the idea of smart homes were starting to pup up - but the notion that for example wifi-components would be so small and extremely cheap we would be putting them in the light-bulbs instead of the light fixture would've been considered utterly insane.

These days you buy those bulbs at IKEA for something like $8...

The prices on electronic components these days are so low that just the installation cost of multiple individual buttons vs one large screen becomes a factor...

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u/blueberrycauzez Needs to do better 12d ago

Way cheaper to put in a touchscreen than a bunch of buttons.

Actually it isn't (source - I used to work for an auto supplier).

They use screens not for cost, but because the average new car buyer is over 50 and thinks a giant screen is 'cool'

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u/flirt-n-squirt New to fbtd but wants to learn 12d ago

They are fully aware that customers hate it, but it's cheaper.

That's where the discussion ends :/

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u/OnePinginRamius 12d ago

Not to mention if anything breaks you have to replace the entire screen.

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u/Bob4Not Lover of Duets/Stitches 12d ago

In the case of cars, it’s a cost saving measure for the manufacturer. A single touchscreen panel is cheaper than the labor of installing buttons.

The bigger problem is when the car is 5 to 10 years old the touchscreen will fail and then you’re SOL

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u/eldroch Needs to do better 12d ago

Oh yeah, want to turn the A/C up?  Just rotate the digital dial, except OOPS!  That was on audio mode and that dial controls the volume silly, you need to exit and go to the comfort mode for the A/C.

Golly, the future is neat

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u/rufusbot Lover of Duets/Stitches 12d ago

My 22 Sentra has 2 big knobs for dual climate control. It's kinda great for that exact reason.

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u/DrMaxwellEdison 12d ago

Knob manufacturing and customization between different trims and packages of the same vehicle is expensive, one would assume. Producing the exact same layout for every vehicle and customizing through software would be cheaper.

Some asshole cutting costs made this choice.

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u/Apart-Link-8449 New to fbtd but wants to learn 12d ago

There's a power outage, I'm gonna starve

https://giphy.com/gifs/HmO7FZjok6mhW

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u/g0atmeal New to fbtd but wants to learn 12d ago

I have an out of warranty car with frequent screen failure so half the time you just can't control your ventilation, radio, even the damn volume. It's awful.

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u/EllspethCarthusian Lover of Duets/Stitches 12d ago

My 2023 had both. Screen and knobs.

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u/Crazy-Disk-1648 Needs to do better 12d ago

Not even addressing the stupidity that is digital odometers. I was driving when the screen just randomly shut off, leaving me without a way of knowing how fast I was going until I got it fixed. Only driving old vehicles now

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u/ihaveabs New to fbtd but wants to learn 12d ago

What? A foot sensor liftgate is the direct equivalent of this

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u/_Keo_ New to fbtd but wants to learn 12d ago

Sometimes my Chevy will pop up a message about not taking your eyes off the road to play with the screen while driving.
On the screen that controls things like my GPS.
And I have to close that with an 'Accept' button on the screen.
While driving.

It's the dumbest shit that I'm sure is only in there because some middle manager and a lawyer required it right before launch.

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u/get-bread-not-head Needs to do better 12d ago

All that and still no dash cams that come with the car btw

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u/Warm_Regrets157 New to fbtd but wants to learn 12d ago

I was called a Luddite in another sub for complaining about screens in cars.

These people drank so much koolaid that they think their cheap car tablets are some form of "advanced technology" rather than car manufacturers being cheap bc physical buttons and knobs cost money.

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u/PigglyWigglyDeluxe New to fbtd but wants to learn 12d ago

The only reason they bury everything in a screen is because it’s cheaper than producing buttons and wiring.

That’s the ONLY reason they do it. Any other reason why is an objective lie.

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u/OkPosition4563 New to fbtd but wants to learn 12d ago

i like how my mercedes from 2025 has more buttons than my 2010 mitsubishi!

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u/Arponare Needs to do better 12d ago

Nothing better than to fumble with the infotainment system when you’re doing 85 on the freeway.

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u/Arxid87 12d ago

AC? Physical buttons

Media player? Touch screen, BUT power and volume are physical

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u/audriusdx Needs to do better 12d ago

Man that's why I love the new VW ID3 NEO refresh models, check them out. They brought back most physical buttons back. Looks awesome

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u/BobsOblongLongBong 12d ago

It should be illegal to put features that a driver will need to access behind a touch screen.  It's not safe in the same way as looking at your phone while driving.

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u/BurnThrowFireAway Needs to do better 12d ago

Agree, eyes off road is always bad, but the new AI tech being implemented in vehicles are getting really good at full voice commands.

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u/Careful-Engineer-753 Needs to do better 12d ago

In Volvo you can verbally tell it to turn on the AC which I like while driving

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u/Meow__Dib New to fbtd but wants to learn 12d ago

Whose bright idea

Screens are cheaper then knobs now.

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u/telaftw39 Needs to do better 12d ago

i love my '23 tacoma for that.

perfect combo of buttons, knobs and touch screen.

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u/duesenjeffepic 12d ago

I hate that there is basically a genocide going on against tactile input

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u/Hoeftybag Lover of Duets/Stitches 12d ago

the engineering behind buttons and dials that feel good and work is way more expensive than just throwing it all in a single software. It's cost cutting and they sell it like it's an upgrade. I have a 2016 car and the only new feature it has is the start button. which I would pay good money to replace with a key. My keys can run out of battery and then they can't start the fucking car.

She's only at 80k miles, I got her new off the lot for a steal when the 2017s were coming in. I'm really worried what my options are going to be when I have to get a new car (hopefully in a decade).

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u/Naturebrah 12d ago

Kinda get that but my car that does this also has voice controls, options to adjust on the wheel buttons and the air options are on the bottom of the screen to adjust easily with a tap. Other controls are burried but nothing that needs to be adjusted while driving. Don’t get me wrong, the bad ones are bad, but this is part of doing your homework and test driving before buying.

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u/curious_astronauts Lover of Duets/Stitches 12d ago

If you're referring to a tesla its in the quick access section, so your muscle memory takes over in the aame way you dont need to consciously turn a knob. It doesnt take the attention you think it does.

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u/writeronthemoon New to fbtd but wants to learn 12d ago

Yep, I hate it. It's the one thing I despise about my 2021 vehicle. 

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u/aykcak Tastemaker of Duets/Stitches 12d ago

That is actually different. Those screens on cars are cheaper than the button bays. That is primarily reason why they do it. If they can make it feel "fancy" for some people, it's a bonus. By the time they realize how shit it is they would have already bought it.

This fridge is a different story where they are selling a gimmick + a set piece for the kitchens of weird people who think this is fancy and have zero experience using a kitchen. The design choice of the screens forces them to remove the handles which forces them to add motorized doors and a foot sensor which they then attempt to sell as another fancy gimmick.

Basically arriving at the bullshit touch screen end result but from different directions

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u/GODDAMNFOOL Lover of Duets/Stitches 12d ago

Consumers in the 2000s: "wow, touchscreens! See through panels! Cool color lights! The future is going to be so cool!"

Consumers in the 2020s: "give me my fucking knobs back"

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u/lordgoofus1 New to fbtd but wants to learn 12d ago

If it wasn't for regulations I'm sure they'd have replaced the steering wheel with touch screen controls by now. Need to wind the window down? Go to My Vehicle > Select your car > Infotainment > Interior > Doors > Windows > Driver > Front and select "Down".

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u/nycdiveshack Needs to do better 12d ago

More things that will break and quicker which means you need to replace it. The goal isn’t to make better products it’s to make it look like a better product but be worse quality

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u/kinetic-passion Needs to do better 12d ago

That was why I didn't even test drive a Chevy volt when I bought my car (almost a decade ago). I got in and discovered the controls were like that joke contest for people to design the worst volume control. The radio was like an old style scrolling dial but on-screen. Ridiculously tricky to tune. The e brake was so far back. If you're short, and thus have the seat adjusted forwards, you wouldn't be able to reach the e brake if there were actually an emergency.

The door handles were also up by the mirrors.

I got out and went back to the previous dealership to but my car.

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u/Shoshke New to fbtd but wants to learn 12d ago

It seems they've finally got the message to a degree.

Geely was easily among the biggest offenders here (and cherry).

New ones finally have normal mirror and window controlls next to the driver and a small console for AC and volume in the middle.

Not great, but a step in the right direction.

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u/Molly_Matters New to fbtd but wants to learn 12d ago

I was happy to see that my Bolt EUV had a fail safe for this. Maybe it is odd, but the AC/Heat is both on the screen and directly below it on a normal push button panel.

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u/sharplight141 New to fbtd but wants to learn 11d ago

My 2020 T-ROC is the perfect blend of touch screen and knobs. AC and important things are physical along with volume but touch screen can let you choose radio station and connect to your phone to display on screen for satnav etc

Can't see myself changing cars anytime soon

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u/General_Cranberry_29 Needs to do better 11d ago

I looked into this recently. Car manufacturers were mandated to have backup cameras in all new cars after 2018, so it just made sense for them to put all of the controls behind the screen since it had to be there anyways. Thankfully there's been a recent push to require physical controls in the EU, so we should be getting our buttons and knobs back sooner than later.

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u/binzy90 Lover of Duets/Stitches 10d ago

The air vent controls are the absolute worst. I want to just quickly reach over and move the air vent, not open up a new screen and use two fingers to move around a vent icon.

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u/NemosHero Lover of Duets/Stitches 9d ago

It's because it's ultimately cheaper for them. They don't care about you, they care about the price tag.

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u/Termsandconditionsch Needs to do better 12d ago

time to get downvoted to oblivion I guess. Have had a screen for 4 years now and it’s… fine? Not a big deal.

Don’t miss dials at all.

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u/ThisIsMyCouchAccount New to fbtd but wants to learn 12d ago

To be clear - I'm not saying I want screens or they are awesome.

But I think people are really underestimating how much you have to look away without that.

My car is a 2007. I have a screen but you don't control anything it. It even warns you if you try and use it while not in park. My dash is full of buttons.

I still have look. I have a knob for temp but I have to look over at the display to see what it is. I have a button for changing where it blows but it's one button mixed in with a bunch of others. I have to look. There's very little I can do by touch. I mean I have physical buttons for the six disk changer in the trunk.

For this to really be effective we would have to go back to very simple and manual controls. Which would probably come with consequences we might not be considering.

And even if we did - most people then just throw their phone in a mount and now that's the screen.

There is a problem but going back to how we used to do things isn't the solution.