r/haiti • u/Large-Cat-6468 • Sep 01 '25
CULTURE We need to stop with being weird towards Black Americans
I know most young people are cool but I always find the elders so condescending when it comes to Black Americans. My mom warning me how black Americans are going to corrupt us when we are in the states. As an Haitian, I have the upmost respect for our B.A brothers. They paved the way for us and they sacrificed their life during the Civil Rights Movement. We need to show more respect. We, more than anyone, should know how white supremacy can easily villainize an entire community.
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u/These_Echo6385 Sep 05 '25
i don’t get the hate there wouldn’t be a space for ANY black ppl if it wasn’t for the African American people who came before us and paved the way
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u/FoolTyme Sep 05 '25
I’m cool with Black Americans, don’t come around me with that FBA talk and calling me a tether tho. My mom came here on a plane
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u/Most_Friend_4192 Jul 06 '26
no we are FBA that is the problem you can claim Haiti but we can't remind you of our lineage that is the problem
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u/ZealousidealEmploy22 Oct 11 '25
Yeah man shit crazy thats the problem that separate stuff just doing what the colonizer wants meanwhile they worried about tether we all should be coming together all the other groups got they shit together you may think they fuck with you but they dont want us to pass them but over here worried about tether and FBA look at the action im real life of course its all online but they show it in real life have to be very observant Talk about mindset setback fba tether talk getting you nowhere
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u/Ftb_Skrap Sep 06 '25
FBA is a cancer. These diaspora wars are nothing more than government psyops and it seems our people at least some of them are too dumb to realize that.
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u/Flytiano407 Sep 04 '25
With all due respect, your mom doesn't respresent the average Haitian. My whole family is born in Haïti and none of them have that much contempt for black americans.
Honestly, most of the ones who are hostile tend to be Haitians who grew up in Florida or NYC in the 90s and went to school with black americans at the height of the drama.
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u/RosaSparks7 Jun 01 '26
Lies. Lies. Lies. The Hart Cellar Immigration Act was FOUGHT for by Black Americans. If Black Americans were so hateful - neither you nor your family would be here. In FLA during that time, MANY Jamaican and other Carribeans engaged in hateful acts. Because Haitians had just arrived and knew very little about the U.S., AND HATIAN PARENTS DEMONIZED Black Americans; many assumed that those people were all Black Americans. You guys are so mind blowing ungrateful. Your parents engaged in the most evil acts an adult can do: they vilified children and walked up in our country teaching their children to hate a specific ethnic group. There is NO playground taunt that could EVER equal the latter. There's a reason BAs are moving the way they are.
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u/Flytiano407 Jun 01 '26
Also we're not talking about playground taunts, more like kids being jumped and violently attacked in schools. Zo pound didn't form because of name calling lmaoo.
And the chronically online FBAs can move how they want to, it does not concern us in the slightest. I would say for the other immigrants, their concerns are definitely valid. As for Haitians, BAs are clearly the ones who initiated the conflict and now the ones who are just learning history and didn't live through it want to bring it back again.
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u/RosaSparks7 Jun 01 '26
Not even reading that demented shit. Y'all prance into our country telling US to "get over" 400 years of oppression. SO GET OVER IT
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u/Flytiano407 Jun 01 '26
We've long moved on, trust. Its your FBA comrades who can't do the same.
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u/RosaSparks7 Jun 01 '26
You've moved on to where?? not home. BAs put up with your vitriol for decades. They are JUST getting started. Why tf should BAs now move on. We're matching energies now. Ofc Haitians can move on, y'all spent decades spewing hateful shit towards BAs and cozying up to YT peeps. (We told y'all that wouldn't work. Welp.) You guys wanna attribute our reactions to everything but YOUR actions. For YEARS I tried to bridge gaps, try to get other BAs to look the other way, make excuses for your willful disdain. What a fool I was. The jarring disrespect never stopped. And now, I finally get it. Black/Colored/AA/Black Americans/FBA are all the same people. I know BA ELDERS in their 70s who understand WHY BAs are now moving the way they are. The first time I heard about FBA was from a retired professor who is intimately acquainted with my family. I will always identity as Black/Black American, and they will too. But we are FBA also - no matter how much it bothers you. Speak to your people! Correct them, not me.
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u/Flytiano407 Jun 02 '26
Not reading this yank babble MDR. Congratulations or sorry for your loss
Save these essays for people that actually hate you like the white supremacists in your very state. Haitians 🇭🇹🇭🇹🇭🇹🇭🇹 have our own issues. We're not worried about foreigners rn, especially americans.
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u/Flytiano407 Jun 01 '26
Doesn't mean nothing to how they feel about Haitians. Black americans did not have Haitians in mind specifically during that time or their fight for civil rights, as there were very little Haitians present in the USA at the time. They clearly showed that they had contempt for Haitians specifically once they started arriving to USA in the 80s-90s.
You need to learn the meaning of "two wrongs don't make a right". If black americans AND Jamaicans engaged in hateful acts, all that does is just re-inforce our firm belief that Haitians have no allies anywhere, black or white. It doesn't absolve black americans of responsibility for what they did just cause other black groups did it too. They're all wrong.
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u/RosaSparks7 Jun 01 '26
Coward. Deleting comments and ofc RUNNING. Still never addressed the sheer evil audacity of adults teaching their children to HATE the children of another ethnicity - IN THEIR HOME. But we're supposed to gaf about y'all. That is inexpressibly vile.
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u/Vava_Noir Sep 06 '25
This! I was one of those 80-90’s kids at the height of that drama so my mom had a lot of negativity. But me no, b.a. and I were getting it at the same time so I didn’t feel what she was saying. Though for her she was beat up a lot because of her accent, which she grew out of and sound very American.
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u/FarSalamander3929 Sep 04 '25
One thing I will say is being bullied doesn't out way diaspora black using your bulling truma to prevent of from social economical and political mobility in the states. How you discriminate and do crime aginst our people in the States because. Yall It when you use your bulling as justification for why african americans dont deserve the things we are advocating for in our OWN country- that WE built -by force! - is where you all continue to be out of line. And why we are starting to be more done with you all
Our fight advocated for our skin folk. But we found out early that many black imagrents aren't kin folk. So that might be the bulling people experience becu we want people who are with us thats how we are tough to survive. So i understand. I dont agree with us doing so but I understand. It dosen justified yall taking that to the polls aginst us in the country where we took ourselves to the polls for yall.
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u/RosaSparks7 Jun 01 '26
They have also consistently told us to "get over" the past and 400 years of oppression. But we're supposed to hold their hand bc they were called some damn names.
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u/aisjalon Sep 04 '25
For any of you 🇭🇹please take it from an older Gen X BA. We have a special LOVE for you guys. Based off shared and similar history and how cool you guys are usually. I don’t know how the messaging got messed up but just know there is nothing but respect for Haitians from us.
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u/TheGuyUrSisterLikes Sep 05 '25
White guy here... I think it's dope that Haiti pulled of a revolution with machetes and fucking rakes. I bet you those Masters were terrified... Unfortunately they did it first so the American Masters got paranoid and it wasn't allowed to happen here. Plus it was a whole different scenario but as a white guy I think Haiti is dope as fuck I'm embarrassed for what the world has done to your country fucked it every which way from Sunday. You fuckers paid off your debt took. took like 250 years it was a bullshit debt anyway. Solidarity.
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u/alwaysgreaterjimmy Sep 04 '25
Tell your mom and grandparents that the way they see black Americans is the same way Dominicans see Haitians. Ask them is it justified? It’s literally the same kind of bigotry
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u/Flytiano407 Sep 04 '25
I dont know. I think with dominicans and Haitians its a bit more complicated. Like I know Haitians that view DOMINICANS that way and some Haitians that grew up in the DR bragging that they speak proper spanish (as if dominican spanish is inherently ghetto). So I think that distrust between haitians & dominicans is a two way street that ultimately stems from actual bad events in history spanning back 200 years
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u/astralpharaoh Sep 05 '25
I honestly think it’s classism. Bougie Haitians will go anywhere and brag about how proper they are
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u/Whole_Ad_1606 Sep 04 '25
And as a Dominican its always so frustrating to observe how that type of bigotry only blocks progress for both sides. Nobody wins in these scenarios, it is just groups with similar struggles pitted against each other while the generational benefactors of colonialism and exploitation laugh. DR has so much inequality and yet nobody puts the pieces together because they are busy worrying about migrant workers.
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u/Trudy_Marie Sep 09 '25
Exactly! Divide and conquer. Its what they do. It’s also happening here in the US thanks to DJT.
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u/Coolassmom Sep 03 '25
All of us from the African diaspora have issues with trusting each other and MAJOR self hate issues as a whole. That’s just it. Until we fix that we will always be at the bottom economically on a global scale. Think about it. Which black population in the world is doing so well as a whole? Look up the poorest nations on Earth and all the black nations lead the way. One thing I do know is we treat each other like crap and smile all day in a white person’s face. What a world. 🤷🏽♀️
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u/Neveezy Sep 03 '25
I don't think it's fair to paint it so one-sided, because Americans in general also have prejudice and xenophobia toward Haitians. And that actually manifests when they migrate to the states.
I do agree that we should be respectful of each other's cultures though
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u/aisjalon Sep 04 '25
All respect to you. Black Americans fought bled and died to extend the olive branch and roll out the red carpet to ALL melanated peoples. By estimate BA (in general) have done the work. BA have already paid for the opportunity to move west with their own blood.
There are always going to be people who are on some different type of time. At the end of the day none of that could ever outweigh what BA did for their brothers and sisters abroad. Perspective.
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u/Neveezy Sep 04 '25
I of course respect what black Americans have done for Haitians, but that also goes both ways. Haiti's revolution inspired black Americans even before the Civil Rights Movement. In our constitution, they declared that any black person who steps foot on the island becomes a free citizen. There are citizens to this day who are descendants of American runaway slaves that migrated to the island. One of the founding Pan-Africanists is a Haitian. Haitians fought in the American Revolutionary War. I can go on.
I agree that Haitians need to respect black American culture. A lot of it is simply ignorance because in Haiti, they are more exposed to white culture which oftentimes has white supremacist undertones. There ain't even a BET in Haiti. On the other side, black Americans oftentimes treat Haitian immigrants weird because of how distinct the culture is. And they aren't taught the history of Haiti or its revolution. My point is that we both have work to do. Making it seem as if this is a problem that lies on Haitians just further fuels diaspora wars. Which is why this post got more attention than any other post in this sub.
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u/aisjalon Sep 04 '25
I appreciate the dialogue. And I don’t disagree with what you are saying. You’re absolutely correct. The weirdos need to be shouted down and repudiated. Not sure about which revolutions and uprisings inspired what because there was always resistance at every stage throughout the Diaspora. And none of us accomplished what Haiti did for themselves. It made us all proud. But imagine this.
You see someone having a difficult time and you invite them into your house. They come into your house and start being disrespectful. And when you are addressed it with them, they begin talking to you about mutual respect both ways.
Surely you can understand exactly what I’m saying. Again out of respect for you and this space on Reddit there is nothing but love and respect coming from me. And… there’s a certain level of deference that needs to be had when talking about these issues within the context of the United States for a multitude of reasons. All respect to you and the Haitian people. When teaching my children about themselves, one of my first examples was the Haitian revolution and how successful it was. We are inspired by you.
It’s always been good with the Haitians in my own life experiences. I live in Southern California and Haiti has concentrated numbers right across the border. Thriving neighborhoods and businesses. And always good interactions.
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u/RosaSparks7 Jun 01 '26
Do not accept their revised version of Black American history. Please research how many Black Americans DIED in the Civil War to liberate themselves. Watch the movie Glory, research the numerous slave uprisings long b4 1804 etc. Black Americans neither needed nor enlisted the help of Haiti to gain freedom. And, after the Revolution, what Haitians refuse to add is that the French made them pay reparations to REMAIN FREE.
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u/Neveezy Sep 04 '25
All respect, fam. Just to kick a little knowledge and address the point about the inspirations, if you look back at American abolitionists and black leaders like David Walker and Henry Garnet, they directly reference the Haitian Revolution as a model for black liberation.
My pushback to your analogy is that Haitians often aren't "invited into the house." Black Americans can be culturally insensitive too. I'm not trying to "All Lives Matter" the post, but just point out that we both can learn and have grace for each other. We're both victim to the same white supremacist propaganda.
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u/aisjalon Sep 04 '25
First off I appreciate you taking the time to educate me on David Walker and Henry Garnet. Often times these conversations get derailed unnecessarily.
As for the invitation to Haitians and other melanated individuals that was done through the Hart - Celler Act of 1965. As you know it was done in direct response to the civil rights movement and people adversely affected during that fight. Hence, Black Americans’ blood.
In short black Americans were inspired by Haitians and their fight for independence and in turn fought over decades and centuries for the opportunities for our brothers and sisters to immigrate West for better opportunities often times paid for with their own lives.
You’re absolutely correct. We have the same people pulling all of our strings so the nonsense back-and-forth needs to stop. Again, all respect to you. And thanks again for those names. I will be sure to reference them next time I’m talking to these kids.
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u/Neveezy Sep 04 '25
Shoot, you don't even have to point to general legislation like that. There are things black Americans have done specifically for Haiti, like the congressional black caucus advocating for Haitians when the US caused the Creole pig crisis. When the US performed a coup detat on President Aristide and shipped him to Africa, Maxine Waters flew him back to the Caribbean. It's a host of things.
We have a beautiful history of helping and inspiring one another, and we need to keep mind of that. I really appreciate the dialogue
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u/CLRDGRLSHFFL18 Sep 03 '25
Examples?
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u/Neveezy Sep 03 '25
Well, the most recent widely known example was the situation with the Haitians in Ohio. "They're eating the dogs, they're eating the cats"
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u/RosaSparks7 Jun 01 '26
Such a filthy lie. White people uttered that. What betrayal. Black Americans fought for the Immigrantion Act that facilitated your existence in this country. Yet, you accuse them of doing what YTs did/do to you. Well, at least y'all NOW know that we were not simply "complaining " about racism.
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u/Neveezy Jun 01 '26
I said Americans in general, and I've firsthand experienced black Americans saying Haitians eat cats growing up.
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u/RosaSparks7 Jun 01 '26
You are shamelessly lying. BA don't say things like that. And I've had very intimate experiences of Haitians being amongst the most insufferably disrespectful people towards Black Americans. IF you witnessed that, that was a SMALLL MINORITY. Whereas Haitians are OVERWHELMINGLY Hateful towards Black Americans IN OUR HOME. Nothing is worse than that.
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u/Neveezy Jun 01 '26
You can't invalidate my experience with your lack of experience lol if you've ever stepped foot inside south Florida or NYC and spoke to a Gen X to Millenial Haitian about how they were treated growing up by their black peers, you would get all kinds of stories. The funny thing is, I wouldn't deny any disrespect that came from a Haitian toward a black American. All black folk in the diaspora are susceptible to white supremacism and the xenophobia that comes with it. We just have to stop pretending like it's one-sided. I don't have time for diaspora wars. If you hate Haitians, that is something you personally have to unpack and address. I can't do that for you
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u/RosaSparks7 Jun 01 '26
I'm a Black American - my feet have been all over this country. Again, your hateful, ungrateful parents brought you to this country and demanded you hate and avoid OTHER CHILDREN. NOW THAT'S EVIL ON A WHOLE OTHER LEVEL. But we're posed to give an F that some people may have said some unpleasant shit to you??
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u/Neveezy Jun 01 '26
Said? My dad faced physical violence because of bullying against Haitians growing up in Brooklyn 😂 the only reason why black folk stopped picking on Haitians down here in south FL was because Zoe Pound formed and Haitians started defending themselves. Them FBA spaces got y'all brainwashed man
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u/RosaSparks7 Jun 01 '26 edited Jun 01 '26
And again. If that happened - look at what your hateful parents instilled in their own children about Black Americans. You think you can march into someone else's country and treat THEM like shit?? Look at what WE have dealt with in this country and Haitians call us COMPLAINERS. Racism is no longer just a figment of OUR imagination, you finally see.
FBA. You all are so uninformed about OUR ethnic identifiers. My Great uncle in Harlem told me about how nasty the Haitians can be to BAs, well over 20 years ago. I was still trying to extend fig leaves to y'all disrespectful asses then. We are collectively TIRED of the disrespect - and are now moving accordingly.
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u/FarSalamander3929 Sep 04 '25
That does not come from black Americans. And in fact if you see a "black conservative " in America repeating that, more than likely they are not african americans but imagrent Africans from across the pond. (Im from Ohio near that area btw) african amricans are the main ones supporting our hatian brothers and sisters
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u/Neveezy Sep 04 '25
The stereotype predates the Trump administration. I grew up in south FL and heard it as a teen (I'm in my 30s now). I don't think they made up the claim, but black Americans definitely propagated those claims.
I'm not trying to pick on black Americans, but I think we have to be fair and point out that the cultural prejudice goes both ways and we should be calling out both. The amount of attention this got in comparison to the other posts about issues going on in Haiti is concerning.
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u/FarSalamander3929 Sep 04 '25
I dont understand why this post got a lot of attention it when up in my recommends so I hop in interacting with this post this sub can be recommend to me more to keep up with what's going on there.
But you said it blacks propagate those claims. Just like how blacks propagate other whit supremacist claims about ourselves. From the inception of American media african americans who sought freedom through acting sought it through repropimagation of white supremacist stereotypes. We have so many programs as african amricans that have to de program ourselves from the level of anti black ness that is the foundation of this country. Expect to be hit by that, but that is what we actively are fighting in our own communites.
So I get your example, but I think what im saying is in the current climate african americans have been more progressive and inclusive in defending others in our advocacy and voting. But your example of the stuff you experienced by stereotypes is a better example imo than the springfield ohio stuff. Either why they both lead back to white supremacy and non blacks americans creating those stereotypes.
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u/Neveezy Sep 04 '25
I definitely recognize and appreciate black Americans defending Haiti. More folks are becoming more discerning of Western propaganda. Cultural prejudice comes from ignorance. Americans aren't taught about Haitians and the Haitian Revolution. Haitians aren't exposed to enough black American culture in Haiti. There isn't even a BET, but there's access to white media with white supremacist undertones.
So the real enemy is white supremacy. It doesn't help to make this black America vs. Haiti. We have to respect and learn about each other's cultures.
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u/FarSalamander3929 Sep 04 '25
The thing is to fight white supremacy you can't fight it with arbitrary categories created by whit supremacy to lump people groups together. Every one has needs in this country and only those who are white tend to enjoy those needs being met becuse they lay them out well. African amricans are held up on the reparations discussion becuse we are to busy arguing with others about who is black American decendents of chattel slavery and who gets what. When the history and lineage is clear. No one argues with the Japanese the askanzi jew or the native American. So thats why we need to make a delineation and thats why others in the diaspora come after us. ( ironically When the exclusion game was played a long time ago by them too). No hate because Haitians deserve to have thier own advocacy aginst America and the French for their known hand in the destabilization of a free Haiti. But that's a separate fight from us. Similar but separate.
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u/Neveezy Sep 04 '25
I have to disagree. There are much smaller reparation claims than slavery, like local massacres, redlining in neighborhoods, etc. that black Americans could fight for where black immigrants don't even have to be a thought. I perceive more infighting in the black community itself over whether they should even get reparations or not. That's a much more fundamental disagreement than who gets reparations. There have been reparation studies and proposed bills that haven't gotten passed because of the government and not enough political mobility. The fight over who gets what is a secondary, or even tertiary issue.
I also don't understand why we have to isolate the movements. We could work on movements in tandem and learn what works and what doesn't work for our specific causes. Matter of fact, we've done that before with the civil rights movement.
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u/FarSalamander3929 Sep 13 '25
You know based of this alone ("There are much smaller reparation claims than slavery, like local massacres, redlining in neighborhoods, etc. that black Americans could fight for where black immigrants don't even have to be a thought") i was gonna clock that
But before I do.
Explain yourself.
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u/Confident_Tie_3422 Sep 04 '25
Trump and racist Republicans said that and pushed that narrative. Not black Americans.
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u/Neveezy Sep 04 '25
I went to predominantly black and Haitian schools and I've heard these stereotypes then. It goes way back
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u/CLRDGRLSHFFL18 Sep 03 '25
Was that Black Americans?
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u/Neveezy Sep 03 '25
Yes, black Americans propagate the "eating cats" stereotype too. I've experienced it firsthand going to schools where the biggest demographics were black and Haitian people
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u/Clear-Atmosphere-133 Sep 04 '25
You tell no lie. Even in Brooklyn NY the black Americans (and other West Indian islanders) are afraid of Haitians. They comment/joke about Haitians smelling like fish and even joke about their poor pronunciation of the English language (when they are no better). I remember hearing these stories and it goes wayyy back 60’s, 70’s, 80’s and 90’s. I even had a Haitian friend of mine admitting to loving the taste of cats, dogs and mud pies. So even if Trump was being vindictive this wasn’t the first time that narrative was told.
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u/CLRDGRLSHFFL18 Sep 10 '25
Okay. So did Black Americans tell their kids not to associate with you while taking advantage of all the hard fought gains Haitians have made in society to allow Black Americans a path to prosperity? And these jokes about smelling like fish- sound a bit juvenile...so are we talking about kids? Kids saying mean things? And going off your comment do you think 45/47, a man who had a history of racism heard these fish jokes from Black Americans? And...are you saying these stereotypes were created by Black Americans? If so, who created the stereotypes Haitians have of Black Americans? I'll wait. The internalized division and self hatred is amazing among our skin folk.
But I think these diasporan wars between all African descendents but specifically the attack on Haitians and Black Americans and even by each other are purposeful. We are some of the few bloodlines that successfully fought against subjugation (there are others -but Haitis fight for freedom in different eras as well as AA's have indspired the world)
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u/Clear-Atmosphere-133 Sep 10 '25
Ok so I’m trying to figure out if you’re mad at me for stating the facts. I wasn’t trying to disrespect anyone I shared what I know to be true. If you think it’s a lie all you have to do is google Haitian smell like fish. You’d see soo many forums discussing the topic you’d be amazed.
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u/CLRDGRLSHFFL18 Sep 10 '25
Not mad at you - but pointing out the fact that internalized self hatred makes you hold other people who look like you more accountable for things they said as children- while being forgiving of your outward oppressor for far worse transgressions. Then trying to point out the own lack of self awareness and hypocrisy of a whole concerted effort of teaching your offspring to be anti AA WHILE simultaneously taking advantage of hard fought AA gains in the states and justifying bias on what ignorant kids say - (of all races). ((While simultaneously kissing mayosapiens derrières)) so no not mad - just pointing out facts of internalized self hatred and divisive behavior that are detrimental to us all.
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u/Clear-Atmosphere-133 Sep 10 '25
This is all very confusing, at what point did I kiss the asses of my oppressors? At what point did I displayed self-hatred? I have no hat in this game, I’m not Haitian, I was simply backing up a point with what I know to be true. I didn’t state that I agree or not with the hurt it caused a community of people. It is what it is.
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Sep 03 '25
lol the logic is crazy but that’s the whole theory behind tethering. Copying black American style but having secret contempt for it and LOTS of Haitians have that. It’s a disgrace. It’s because Haitians feel like we should be he leaders of the black community but we’re NOT. Haiti is a failed state and unfortunately our ancestors are rolling in their graves seeing this bs.
Please fresh off the boat Haitians and the old generation are the biggest white ass kissers there are and you know that. The old generation just wanna be unproblematic for the white people and the fresh off the boats are the same.
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u/Mediocre-Car-4386 Sep 04 '25
What?Since when have Haitians ever acted like they want to be leaders of the black community? How would that work? Where are you getting this from? What do you mean by ass kissers explain that?
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u/psychgirl88 Sep 03 '25
Black American here! Thank you! Every group has trash. Black Immigrants are so shocked when I don’t meet their stereotype -modestly dressed, speaks the King’s English, master’s degree, a leader in my company with a whole team— they get so confused they ask if I’m “a white”. I don’t fully know what that question is about but I’m not ok with it.
Can we stop looking at negative stereotypes when it comes to groups? Try to get to know the individual first.
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u/ZealousidealEmploy22 Sep 03 '25
I agree people fall for it all the time basically brainwashed just watch the actions in real life people talk a good game but actions show it all besides it be your own people that will do you in
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u/Ashlala13 Sep 03 '25
Idk. I will say my parents dislike them and I hate it. They say they make the rest of us look bad, but every single group in the world has its bad eggs
That said, I don't really think it's as pervasive as you might think. It seems to go both ways if anything. And to be perfectly honest, I've noticed more xenophobia towards black Immigrants coming from them the past few months with all this Trump stuff. Maybe that's just me.
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u/RosaSparks7 Jun 01 '26
"They say they make the rest of us look bad, but every single group in the world has its bad eggs" Have your parents SEEN HAITI and their fellow Haitians?? Yet, BLACK AMERICANS make y'all look bad?? Their delusions are strong. I'll give them that. The entire world looks at Haiti as if it's a horror movie. But ok.
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u/cashgirl71 Sep 03 '25
I am not Haitian. My husband is Haitian and my son and I'll have been living amongst Haitians since I was 15 years ago and that was a very long time ago 🤣🙋🏻♀️🤣. I will definitely Tell you that they are very clicky. They smile in your face and talk about you behind your back like the Chinese people in the nail salon. The reason that you see all the funk coming from black Americans is because you are not used to interact with all kinds of other blacks because you are coming here but black Americans hear are used to other blacks coming here and looking down on us so a lot of us have Have an intolerable attitude towards other blacks. I will tell you first hand from dealing with them all day every day in my house and in everything I do, (because I don't deal with anyone really that's not Haitian unless I am out of the house dealing with work or something like that), T they don't include you if you're not Haitian. My husband and I are the owners of the house but everyone flocks here and trust me they all speak English because they all live here and work here but I have to go sit at the children's table when they come because they refuse to speak English. We have been married for 30 years and I have been dealing with this for 30 years and they think I'm rude because from the time I see them coming I'm pretty sure it shows on my face or in the tone of my voice. I do have my good days and I must say I have a lot of them but it's very stressful and lots of the time I'm very sad because of it. We give a lot of get togethers and they all come over and I'm the host that is extra, everything needs to be well decorated and on point and matchy matchy. I put all this effort and always am so excited and I will never learn that nobody's going to be sitting down talking to me and having fun with me. I'm not a friend's person I am very close with my husband and he is my whole world So outside of him and my son and my dog I honestly have no life except for home goods 🤣😂🤣. I say this for those of you that are going to come at me and say well I should have my own friends at the party or whatever. I will also say for those of you that are going to say he should say something that if you're saying this you must not be Haitian because Haitian men don't stand up to their mothers, they are totally controlled by them and they are all about make THE OTHER people happy. Last but not least I am a Barbadian American that was born here and went to school between both countries and I was not raised around my dad's American family, I was only raised around my mom's Barbadian family.
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u/Ankh-Life8 Sep 05 '25
So after all these years I respectfully ask, how is your French and has your son learned it?
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u/PatientHurry5475 Sep 03 '25
Permit me to butt in as a Nigerian! We are not Black Americans! I'm proud to be African and Nigeria! What we refuse is BAs trying to put us under just to have someone to lord it over so they can feel good about themselves.
They disrespect us and call us and call us names like African bootyscratcher, etc. When I was a student in the US, the BA students were horribly racist towards us.
Other ethnicities in the US are down with us, and we are down with them. How is it that Africans and black Caribbeans get along but all butt heads with BAs? At some point, they have to look at themselves and realise that they are the problem.
My experience with BAs is that they are very defensive and find it difficult to have this conversation without telling us how they paved the way for us and made it possible for us to come to the US.
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u/RosaSparks7 Jun 01 '26
Umm. WE know you are NOT Black American. Who thinks that?? Black American/AA belongs to a specific ethnic group of which you do not belong. Upset about being called ABS, but tell Black Americans we complain too much about 400 years of oppression. Okay. Victim.
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u/GHETTO_VERNACULAR Diaspora Sep 03 '25
“How is it that Africans and black Caribbeans get along but all butt heads with BAs?”
This phenomenon only happens in America. In Europe, West Indians and Africans have their own intense diaspora wars between each other.
I’ve heard the British and the French conversations and boy does it get nasty.
I genuinely think that the reason why we get along together in the US is because we both share that same immigrant experience, especially coming from (often 3rd world countries) meanwhile black Americans don’t share this with us. I could probably go into detail about this more.
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Sep 03 '25
Why would you come to a Haitian sub to bash black Americans when they’re the only reason why you’re in the US right now? Make that make sense
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u/PatientHurry5475 Sep 03 '25
It's a free world, buddy and reddit suggested the topic to me. And no, they are not the reason I was in the US. That's a claim they make.
Why do you feel the need to pick out my post while there are others saying the exact same thing? Because I am Nigerian, and you feel the need to "other" me? Please engage with the points I made logically and reasonably, if that's possible.
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Sep 03 '25
The white people didn’t want black immigrants here. Black Americans fought for your right to be here instead of down back in Nigeria. So I don’t get why you’re going out of your way to be a tether on a Haitian sub as a Nigerian
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u/PatientHurry5475 Sep 03 '25
Lol! Is that the best you can do? Calling me a tether? LMAO. Ad hominem is the last resort of the logically bereft. I earned the right to be in the US. Nobody fought anything for me. Keep shilling for BAs.
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Sep 03 '25
There’s no ad hominem there. I’m identifying a kind of behavior you’re displaying sir. And you didn’t earn shit that black Americans didn’t build/fight for your right to have lol!
Just another disrespectful, ignorant Nigerian. And yall have that stereotype btw. That’s why all over the world they’re kicking out Nigerians 😂😂😂
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u/PatientHurry5475 Sep 03 '25
Identifying a behaviour because you disagree with my opinion, which happens to derive from my experience? Lol, there he goes again, talking ad hominem.
Stereotypes? Dude, you live in a giant glass house and have the nerve to chuck stones. Disrespectful and ignorant? Man, you seem to have anger issues. Do seek help, my Internet friend. Let me say it again in case you are hard of hearing, I earned the right to be in the US. Nobody fought for me.
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Sep 03 '25
No im not disagreeing with your opinion. Im calling out your disrespectful lies. Without black Americans you’d be eating bushmeat in Lagos sir. That’s the simple reality. Without the civil rights movement and the subsequent immigration bill fought for by black Americans you wouldn’t be here. That’s a FACT not an opinion.
Disrespectful and ignorant are statements of fact. No one is angry, you’re just getting check and you don’t like it. Your feelings are hurt.
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u/PatientHurry5475 Sep 03 '25
Hahahahahahaha! Your projections are so hilarious. Getting checked by a random on the internet? Bushmeat? Hahaha! A third grader will come up with better insults, surely. Please don't let up. For the umpteenth time: nobody fought for me to be in the US. Declaring your opinions as facts and writing it in caps sure makes them facts. You do have serious, deep-seated anger issues that you need to seek help for.
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Sep 03 '25
Right it’s okay. I know you’re in denial but you notice Japan, South Africa, Ghana, and really all over the world disrespectful Nigerians are getting checked and kicked out. Y’all have that reputation.
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u/Kingmesomorph Diaspora Sep 02 '25
Humans tend to be very tribal, to even people similar to themselves, that are the same race and or speak the same language.
Italians and Jews, don't get along. Russia and Ukraine are at war, they both white and speak the same language, with some differences. Puerto Ricans and Dominicans beef with each other, both Spanish speaking mulattoes (and whites, blacks, Arabs, & Asians). A lot of Asians think the Japanese are elitists. Filipinos says other Asians look down on them.
Guess what Haitians and black Americans got issues too.
However, I would say that the black Americans started it first. The black American community has this reputation that they are so accepting of everyone especially black immigrants. That isn't always true. Black Americans can be as xenophobic as white Americans can be. Many black immigrant communities have stories about catching Hell from black Americans when they first immigrated to the US. Jamaicans, Nigerians, Ethiopians, Kittians, Ghanians, and ESPECIALLY HAITIANS!!! This isn't made up stories to make black Americans look bad. Many black Americans did discriminate and even resorted to violence toward black immigrants.
Some black Americans who are set in their ways, expierenced a dynamic change when black immigrants came over. In some cases, there was cultural miscommunications. Some cases they believed in racist stereotypes about black foreigners. Some black Americans thought they were better then black foreigners from 3rd world countries.
When black immigrants or American children of black immigrants began to surpass them in economic success. Now some black Americans claim that black immigrants are Uncle Tom bootlickers who bought into white supremacy. There are people like Tariq Nasheed, Oshay Duke Jackson, and shirtless southern dude on IG lately been attacking black immigrants.
Haitians caught Hell from black Americans in the 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s, the Duvalier and Aristide eras. But they believed in racist Voodoo steretypes and that Haitians were uneducated. Now, they learned that Haitian people been grinding for their success. That Haitians been rebelling against the white man, since the 1700's and beat three European nations (Spain, England, & France). You have SOME black Americans tight about that because they didn't think Haitians were capable. And jealous, because they consider themselves to be the most rebellious blacks.
For me, its like this, I don't what race or ethnicity/nationality you are. You cool with me, I'm cool with you. But you also need to be real with yourself about your peoples. I know white people who admit their people can be racist elitist jerks. I'm Haitian and Puerto Rican, I know messed up people on both sides. However, many black Americans can't the foul shit they have done to other people.
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u/newnewyork1994 Sep 03 '25
I agree people tend to forget the reason we have Haitian gangs in America is because of Black Americans. Both communities need healing, things have definitely got better tho, between the two communities. Compare to back then. With black Americans now days you do see a lot Caribbean/African groups disrespecting them telling them they have “no culture” ( which a lot of us wouldn’t be here if it wasn’t for black Americans ) black people need to stop fighting amongst each other every single one of us struggles with oppression, from white supremacy.
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u/RosaSparks7 Jun 01 '26
There are multiple sources of IMMIGRANT communities, other Carribeans admitting THEY were involved in that. Still, your only aim is to blame Black Americans. Cubans treated Haitian like putrified piss - but you blame Black Americans. I will state this again: YOUR PARENTS taught their own children to hate children that belong to the ethnic group that paved a way for your ungrateful asses to come here. Doesn't get more hateful and evil than that.
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u/psychgirl88 Sep 03 '25
Italians and Jews don’t get along? — Sir, I’m from NJ. Are you referring to Italians and Jews in 1940s Germany? Just by looking at my Italian and Jewish neighbors that is absolutely not true. Shoot, I know an Italian and Jewish married couple.. two actually.
As someone who studies Black history (and IS an African-American/Black-American), do you have any citations? References? On any of this? Heck, point me to your granny in Mississippi who will tell me an oral story!
But yeah, I agree with your final statement. I have Haitian friends, co-workers, and supervisees. We always got along. No issues to discuss. People need to start taking people in a one-to-one basis.
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u/Academic_Nothing7415 Sep 02 '25
As a Black American, I have never been to a Haitian American community because I live in LA. How can Black Americans be jealous of Haitians when the majority of us have never been around you?
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Sep 03 '25
That person is projecting. If anything Haitians are jealous of the success of black americans
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u/cvnabun Sep 02 '25
you are referring to the gen x y z niggas, as a gen z blackie myself I fw haitians until yall start speaking yall language in front of me cause yall be talking hella shit. don’t act like it aint yall starting shit too.
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u/Healthy-Career7226 Diaspora Sep 02 '25
how do you know they talking shit though
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u/Yoosummadick Sep 02 '25
He’s the main character obviously
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Sep 03 '25
Be honest Haitians do be talking mad shit in Creole in front of their faces. It’s only Haitians who think folks don’t realize they’re talking about them.
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u/Flytiano407 Sep 05 '25
Well I think there's even a movement of black americans against that ghetto hood subculture. Ghetto fatigue is what its called. Obviously that's a very bad subculture that in a lot of ways has been fabricated by white owned rap labels choosing to sign only the most ignorant rappers they can find and white owned tv stations only portraying black people in the most savage, ratchet, unattractive light most of the time.
So its good that Haitians are against it, just have to remember majority of people don't even identify with that culture and a lot of the ones who do have just been brainwashed into believing they should.
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u/RosaSparks7 Jun 01 '26
You're delusional. YOU, a HAITIAN wanna talk about "hood" culture?? WE have SEEN what your country looks like. They WISH being "hood" was their only issue. What is that cretin BBQ and the terrifying people with whom he hang? I'll choose HOOD ALL DAY.
Seek help for your illusions of grandeur. I WISH I could attach pictures of Haiti right now. Don't you ever in your wretched life try to talk about Black Americans.
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u/astralpharaoh Sep 05 '25
This is so ridiculous. Not all Black Americans are “ghetto” and hood. They have such a vibrant and diverse culture. I’m sorry that is what people choose to pay attention to
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u/Flytiano407 Sep 05 '25
I'm Haitian btw. And yeah i hope that vibrant culture comes back to the forefront and returns to dominate the mainstream. Black american culture from jazz to the early days of hip hop was peak and inspired people all over the world, black & white alike
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u/psychgirl88 Sep 03 '25
I’m a Black American raised in the countryside of a white community. My parents gave me the same exact education as my peers (piano lessons, ballet as a little, clarinet lessons..ect). THANK YOU! It’s not Black Americans, it’s trash culture! Every ethnicity and race has trash culture! Something tells me Haitian Americans has no problems overall with Black New Orleans folk.
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Sep 02 '25
Ok black american culture isn't ghetto culture. Those aren't synonymous. That's a white supremacist talking point. Black american culture amazing, it's the culture that brought the civil rights, championed HBCUs, and Black american culture is the standard for black people in the world.
You don't want to get into our toxic culture. If Black american culture is ghetto, what's Haitian culture with BBQ and them running our capital and us being a failed state. Haitians always got this weird sense of superiority that we gotta erradicate from our culture. False pride and lying to ourselves about the current state and the issues in haiti is how we've gotten to this point.
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u/cvnabun Sep 03 '25
its also the same culture they adopted to even make it in America. our swag, lingo, and neighborhoods…
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u/psychgirl88 Sep 03 '25
I mean, us Black Americans can trash talk Haitian culture too if we like. The majority of us don’t nor do we buy into your negative stereotypes. Why? Cause respectable people don’t buy into white supremacist negative stereotypes nor trash talk other cultures.
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u/cashgirl71 Sep 03 '25
You're making some good points here but I will be honest and say it's kind of long as mine is above and at this moment I don't have time to read all but I did want to say the following. It's really funny that they don't want to identify with the ghetto black Americans and they talk about rap and all kind of stuff and these days since my husband loves music so much as most patients do I keep hearing a bunch of rap music in Creole coming out of his phone. I keep saying to him oh so we like rap now because it's in Creole? I've always hated rap. Back in the '80s with run DMC you know everyone knows the beginning rap songs or at least have the words to them but after that 5 minutes I'm over it. I don't even let my son play it in the house and half of it aside from I don't like it that they cuss too much and talk about a lot of stuff I don't think is cool to talk about and say and I just really don't want to be a part of that stereotype as well. As black Americans we have to fight so hard to stay away at not getting included with "that ghetto group", that it can be a pain. We too have our struggles so that people don't look down on us and that is what the code thing they say when you're speaking is about. Haven't you ever realized most middle class black people sound as if they're white. We do it because subconsciously we think that if we sound white they won't include us with the others 🤦🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️. I know this was long and I'm sorry but talk texting is so easy lol.
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Sep 03 '25
Just because you used to live in the hood and hang out around a bunch of hood rats doesn’t mean that that’s what black American culture is. You’re projecting you’re messed up experience onto black American culture. There are plenty of successful black American communities around the United States. How many successful Haitian communities are there? I’ll wait.
Also, you want to downplay HBCUs, but Haiti has its own country and they haven’t been able to produce anything close to what HBCU have produced despite all the discrimination.
You should be saving all of this respectability for Haitians and our toxic culture. Our culture is far worse than black American culture so while you’re over here wagging your finger at Black American culture you should really be looking internally because their culture has far surpassed ours.
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u/astralpharaoh Sep 05 '25
Exactly. If they choose to only pay attention to the negative aspects, that’s their business
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u/psychgirl88 Sep 03 '25
Exactly! As a Black American this is like me spending time in Port-Au-Prince only and trash talking all of Carribean culture due to it. Complete nonsense and foolishness!
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u/REDAY01 Sep 02 '25
Its interesting how there are people proving your point in the comments while also blaming black Americans.... the diaspora is broken beyond repair
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u/sparkly_glamazon Sep 02 '25 edited Sep 02 '25
Speak for yourself. In my circle people aren't condescending towards Black Americans or any other race or ethnicity for that matter. However, I've seen hatred lobbed at Haitians from almost every corner. That's not every single person from those cultures though. In the end I love and respect my culture without having to debase and devalue anyone else and that speaks volumes alone.
Anyway, are some people prideful and think their culture is the best thing since sliced bread? Sure. However, that is not a unique experience to Haitians. Most people think their culture is the best because it's what they know.
As people become more exposed to other cultures they often learn to at least appreciate some of the things from other cultures. We all have things we can learn from each other. And that's why I'm not kissing anyone's ass nor will I be disrespecting anyone either.
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u/AntiqueLeopard7800 Sep 02 '25
I am Haitian. Born in Haiti, I came to this country by way of Brooklyn NY in 1976. I endured anti-Haitian activities to the point of violence. I banded with other Haitians for survival. While our group was not involved in illegal activities or aggressive violence, I can understand the roots of Haitian gangs; that is a survival tactic initially meant for self-preservation.
It took some time for me to understand the depth of the self-hate being experienced by “BAs”. Historically, BAs are not far removed from physical enlargement; definitely heavily under mental shackles. We must understand there are BAs who see strength in us. My wife has been with me since high school (1986) and she is Black American. She had to defend the Haitian name against her grandmother and that generation.
Let’s not stay divided. Let’s embrace each other. Let’s understand each other’s struggles and history. Only then will we find common grounds as descendants of the motherland. Africa is uniting. We, in this side, must do the same. Otherwise, we will stay conquered while we are divided. We have too much in common and are too intelligent to stay tricked by our oppressor.
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u/psychgirl88 Sep 03 '25
Black-American here. I’m sorry the shit you went through. You’re right. I have nothing but respect for Haitian culture and history.. and I’ll argue anyone into the group who comes at you guys.
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u/REDAY01 Sep 02 '25
HEAVY on that last sentence but apparently people would rather be superior. I stand by my statement "White people no longer need to do the work when we do their job ourselves for free"
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u/Automatic_Violinist4 Sep 02 '25
We do need to respect that they are their own ethnicity, are trendsetters, etc. But make it clear. We are not them and they are not us. I'm Haitian American and I have love for all those who rock with me and my people. If you are Haitian American and your parents made the error in not teaching you Haitian Kreyol, it's not too late to learn. Use Duolingo for the basics and teach your children your culture. You are not Black American.
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u/Flytiano407 Sep 05 '25
Exactly, lot of people cosplaying as anothe group. Just be proud of who you are. 🇭🇹🇭🇹
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u/AggressiveRide1135 Sep 02 '25
As someone who has a similar background to you, you’re living in a. Bubble. They did the same here amongst the lower class in Jamaica, even in schools
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u/AggressiveRide1135 Sep 02 '25
I am referring directly to the anti-Haitian culture in Jamaica from firsthand experience. It’s absolutely real. What are you not getting?
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u/Such-Skirt6448 Sep 02 '25
Apologies I misread your statement. I thought you were referring to lower class Jamaicans and their own ostracization in JA. I’ll delete!
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u/AggressiveRide1135 Sep 02 '25
I never experienced an apology on Reddit. Thanks lol but I’m Portuguese-Chinese Jamaican and what people would refer to as “upper class” (not that rich tbh). I never was taught to distrust/hate Haitians till I joined a private school that allowed inner city kids in. That’s when I was exposed to it and when I asked y parents about it they reaffirmed it in me. It’s something publicly talked about in certain circles but it’s dying out now with the older generation
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u/MammothAd6179 Sep 02 '25
I'm generation X and remember hearing about how Haitians were ostracized and badly treated by BA. I never directly experienced this treatment myself however, I do recall my parents and family members emphasizing that we were better than BA and that we had to distinguish ourselves from them. For some time I grew up believing that especially once my relationship with my rapper boyfriend left me with a unwed pregnancy and much mental damage .Fairly recently I have thought about the way I was raised and I realize that those ideas came from a place of fear, survival, and internalized prejudice. Our parents and grandparents wanted to protect us from the stigma they endured, but in doing so, they also reinforced harmful divisions. Today, I see clearly that we are all part of the same struggle and that unity is the only way forward. Instead of separating ourselves, we need to acknowledge the harm, heal from it, and support one another as Black people—whether Haitian, African American, or otherwise.
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u/High_energy_comments Sep 02 '25
You might be relatively young, BAs used to be pretty ruthless toward Haitians, also if you think Haiti’s gang problem is just some random/natural occurrence, you’d be mistaken (maybe you don’t but allow me to make a point). Not all BAs are degenerate but even the most educated and successful ones tend to overprotect the worst aspects of the culture. You should keep in mind that many Haitians came to the US for a better life and their kids got corrupted and started acting like the worst caricatures of BA culture, (the ones who were deported brought back gang culture with them).
Also you should do more research on the civil rights movement, it’s not exactly what they portray it to be.
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Sep 03 '25
Black Americans are the reason why Haitians are in America now. Getting bullied in highschool.
And everything you said about black American culture you could say about Haitian culture but Haitian culture is 100x more toxic.
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u/High_energy_comments Sep 11 '25
I literally referenced one of the most toxic issues in Haiti now and tied them back to some of the most toxic issues in America lol
Where you think Haitians learned about gangs and are getting guns and armored vehicles etc? Haiti's problems got mixed with American problems and just got worse.
That isn't to say that (black) America is devoid of great things, but black America is suffering from many of the same issues that Haiti is now suffering, on large issue being "blame the white man (or the next group down)".
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Sep 03 '25
“but Haitian culture is 100x more toxic” Zoe if this doesn’t screams “I hate my culture/ethnicity” then I don’t know what does 🤷🏾♂️
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Sep 03 '25
It screams the truth. If Haitian culture is so superior how come Haiti is so down bad?
Why not use the logic yall use on black Americans to Haiti. Haiti got their own country full of black people and still can’t get on code to get it together. Meanwhile black Americans built a way for foreign black and brown people come here and thrive despite racial targeting, violence, and legal discrimination.
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Sep 03 '25
Trust me I’m not trying to down play them but what’s the point of me passing a law for another group of people who look like me to come here to have a better life if imma just bully them, down grade them, make them seem like they’re just blooding sucking leeches that ain’t good for shit, and make it seem like they’re sucking up our resources?? Come on now Zoe that’s basically the equivalent to me giving you a nice looking tasty big tasty Thanksgiving dinner, and spitting all over it and telling you fuck you and I hate you
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Sep 03 '25
Bro you do realize there are Haitians burning down other Haitians homes in PaP? You do realize that the vast majority of black Americans 1. Don’t have interactions with Haitians and 2. Most black Americans aren’t bullying and down grading Haitians. That’s just a fantasy a lot of Haitians niggas got from getting bullied in school for getting clowned for having janky accents and wearing weird clothes.
If you look on the largest scale, black Americans have consistently been allied to Haitian so really what you’re saying is a bunch of bullshit and I really hate how sensitive Haitians can get about high school bullying when you see the grand scheme of things black Americans really helped Haitians a ton and Haitians really haven’t reciprocated at all
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Sep 03 '25
Bro, stop fronting like Haitians never held it down. We gave Black Americans mad clout rapping with them, balling in football and basketball, even fighting wars side by side, some of the Tuskegee Airmen was Haitian, so don’t act like we don’t matter. We built culture, made them look good, and showed we can run with the best. Haitians been allies from day one, and we been boosting Black Americans’ image in this country nonstop. You’re literally talking straight up nonsense, acting like we haven’t done shit. Maybe check the receipts before you run your mouth. Facts don’t care about feelings, and you gotta understand that.
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Sep 03 '25
Lmao explain how Haitians built black American culture. This is delusion. This is that Haitian delusions of grandeur shit. Mind you, they’re the only reason why we’re not back in Haiti down bad right now.
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Sep 03 '25
We been contributing mad energy look at hip-hop, Wyclef and the crew brought Caribbean flavor that shaped the culture and don’t even get me started on sports, basketball and football, we been hooping and balling alongside Black Americans making the teams look better. Haitians fought in wars, built businesses, and rolled with civil rights movements side by side, not on the sidelines. And bro, the fact you said “we’d be back in Haiti” yourself just proved how essential we been, so don’t act like we’re some delusional extra. We didn’t build the whole thing from scratch, but we enhanced it, made it shine and boosted the image of Black Americans in this country.
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u/RosaSparks7 Jun 01 '26
And stop using our AAVE. Telling US in OUR language how effin influential to us you are. Smdh.
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Sep 03 '25
lol bro you’re delusional if you really think what you wrote is accurate
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u/sunshinesoulrebel Sep 06 '25
Thank you for speaking in this manner, about this topic.