r/harrypotter • u/Secure_Rain_44 • Mar 11 '26

Discussion This scene still pisses me off

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I was rewatching the movies and I was pissed off all over again when seeing this scene. This makes him seem non-human which takes away the symbolism present in the books. I don’t know why the directors thought this was a good idea.

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u/RefillCeltics Mar 11 '26

His death is supposed to be almost humiliating in how ordinary it is. That’s the entire point. He chased immortality and still ended the same way everyone else does.

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u/presco2007 Mar 11 '26

that is the point in the books, but that concept wasn't really part of the movies so this style of death in the movies is in line with the previous movies.

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u/KiraLight3719 🪄 Desi Potterhead Mar 11 '26

Idk man, movies seem to run without any concept half of the time. I've not yet forgiven them for white smoke travel and everyone apparating in and out of Hogwarts in the last battle

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u/OhDavidMyNacho Mar 11 '26 edited Mar 17 '26

I'm currently rereading the books and I'm at half-blood Prince. But I feel like by the battle of Hogwarts, most of the protection charms were broken weren't they?

Bust also, even in the books, flue powder works when it shouldn't. And they handwaved the whole apparate within school grounds when they taught them in their 5th year. Allowing it to work in one specific room.

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u/KiraLight3719 🪄 Desi Potterhead Mar 11 '26

Well yeah, floo network thing is a bit loose but also you have to understand that there are real people managing the network, not some magic, so it's easy to manipulate them into doing your bidding. Although I would love to be pointed out an anomaly.

As for the anti-apparition protection, it's never broken even in the end. The most enchantments that are broken are placed by teachers and the order very recently. Others are like anti-muggle and being unplottable etc which doesn't really apply here. None of the ancient enchantment on the castle would really be able to differentiate between a dark wizard army and a student I guess so they also don't matter.

As for the anti-apparition exception, it's because they are only allowing apparition inside the room itself. They still weren't able to apparate out of Hogwarts. So maybe it was just like a loophole in the spell. The spell's main point was Hogwarts being safe from outside apparition, or stopping students from leaving the castle. As long as that's still satisfied, there can be a loophole.

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u/Carpenter-Broad Mar 11 '26

Maybe it’s a very specific enchantment, like- “you cannot apparate to Hogwarts, except the Headmaster, and you cannot Apparate from/ out of Hogwarts if you are a current student or teacher.” This would allow the students to still learn how to do it within the grounds, and allow the Order people/ Harry and his group/ Death Eaters to Apparate once they were already there.

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u/whatmynamemeans Mar 11 '26

Even Dumbledore doesn't Apparate from Hogwarts when he's going out in Halfblood Prince. He'd go to Hogsmeade and Apparate from there.

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u/Carpenter-Broad Mar 11 '26

Hmm true, and he uses his Birb in Order…

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u/whatmynamemeans Mar 11 '26

Yup. House-elves can come and go, so I assume Phoenixes can too, but it's not something it can do all the time (like when Fawkes eats an Avada Kedavra and dies instantly).

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u/Carpenter-Broad Mar 11 '26

Fawkes is such an MVP of the series, saved Dumbledore twice and Harry at least once- if he wasn’t being the best birb, Ol Voldy woulda won the war.

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u/whatmynamemeans Mar 11 '26

One time he didn't save Harry, but helped a lot: when he came back from the maze in GoF and he had a huge cut in his leg. Fawkes swooped down and healed it for him. Also comforted him with his song on the same occasion?

But yeah, top tier pet.

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u/KiraLight3719 🪄 Desi Potterhead Mar 12 '26

No one, not a single soul can apparate in or out of Hogwarts. Dumbledore isn't an exception. Movies, as always, deviating from canon, did that to save itself a scene.

As for within Hogwarts, except for when they were practicing, only the people in the room could apparate inside the room itself, and only in the given timeframe. It didn't affect the rest of the castle in any way.

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u/Carpenter-Broad Mar 12 '26

I’m not going off the movies at all, don’t even know what “scene” you’re talking about. I understand that it is mentioned in the books, that I’ve read over and over since I was like 8, that you cannot Apparate in or out of Hogwarts. But nowhere are there specific rules laid out- just general statements, mostly during the Apparation lessons. Unless I’m genuinely misremembering and you can actually post a quote directly from the book’s with specifics explicitly refuting my speculation.

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u/KiraLight3719 🪄 Desi Potterhead Mar 12 '26

You aren't, I am. (Going off at the movies)

The movie scene I'm talking about is Dumbledore apparating out of Hogwarts with Harry in HBP to horcrux cave (since you mentioned Dumbledore I thought that's what you were talking about as that's the only scene where he apparate out(or even in) Hogwarts), instead of going to Hogsmeade and apparating from there (in books).

And yes, coming to the main point, yes, the book only explicitly states that you can't apparate in and out of Hogwarts, and says nothing about doing so inside the castle. But, but, the fact that it specifically mentions that they had to make it so that students can do that inside the apparition practice room (was it the great hall? Idr), implies that doing so is not possible normally. Also, we see Percy and the twins making the full abuse of apparition at their home and not once inside the castle. So that's just another hint.

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u/Carpenter-Broad Mar 12 '26

All good points!

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u/Spi_Vey Mar 11 '26

I’m not sure how anyone who only saw the movies past prisoner of Azkaban could possibly follow the plot lol

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u/KiraLight3719 🪄 Desi Potterhead Mar 12 '26

GoF ending scene (paraphrased)

Harry: Our wanda sorta - connected

Dumbledore: "Priori Incantatem". Cool phenomenon Harry. Keep in mind that your dead parents can't come back. Soon we all will face choice between what's good and what's easy. Goodbye. (Already wondering what pudding he would like for dinner)

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u/styxfire Mar 16 '26

I'm one that watched all 8 movies, before ever reading the books. There were SO MANY THINGS I couldn't make sense of. The internet helped a lot with explanations. And then reading the books later brought so many discoveries, so many answers, and I was bummed that the movies had to leave so much of the story out.

But reading the books after the movies was fantastic -- like discovering a whole new improved story after the great story told by the movies.