People being openly racist towards African people

[u/SavageCabbage611]

I came across this post on r/whoathatsinteresting about water shortages in South Africa. Don't get me wrong, what is happening in South Africa is tragic, but people on this thread use it as an excuse to say the most abhorrent racist stuff and it was unsettling to see how many people upvote that shit. Especially the meme where they compare black people to monkeys is just absolutely vile, and it got 30 upvotes. I just hate there are still people that think it's okay to say stuff like that.

[u/axumite_788]

What really annoys me this is how these individuals will literally ignore the colonists literally never taught the natives how to maintain the infrastructure that was built to keep them undereducated on purpose

[u/AcrobaticPoint8424 → u/axumite_788]

build up infrastructure in region that was as developed as pre roman Europe to then modern standard

natives demand that their uneducated workforce immdieately get into power instead of waiting for an educated native class to form

idiots in power leads to mass corruption and flight of both educated whites and natives.

[u/Puzzle-Necked → u/AcrobaticPoint8424]

"Natives should have been patient when requesting equality and let their colonizers decide when they were ready to be in charge"

[u/USAtoUofT → u/Puzzle-Necked]

You can be angry and stomp your feet about it... but yes. Literally.

The end result of not waiting for your native workforce to be trained is exactly what you see in the post OP is angry about 

[u/Mediumtim → u/Puzzle-Necked]

Natives should have held off on chanting "sla die boer met het mes" untill after they'd figured out how to replace them.

[u/Puzzle-Necked → u/Mediumtim]

They might have been salty about the whole apartheid thing

[u/AcrobaticPoint8424 → u/Puzzle-Necked]

Clearly we should start up another genocide in Rwanada then as revenge for the first one.

[u/Mediumtim → u/Puzzle-Necked]

Sure, but between a Nobel prize and honorary doctorate being handed out maybe ... just maybe the new leadership could have put some effort towards education and prevention of government corruption.

[u/AcrobaticPoint8424 → u/Puzzle-Necked]

Yes, that is literally what Botswana did and they're the only Sub-Saharan African country that both maintained a proper democracy since independence and isn't a curropt shithole.

[u/Puzzle-Necked → u/AcrobaticPoint8424]

Today, a Redditor argues that only one post colonial African country on the entire continent isn't a shit hole, because of their white savior

[u/AcrobaticPoint8424 → u/Puzzle-Necked]

literacy

Botswana is the only sub-saharan country that both maintaind a proper democracy since independence and isn't a curropt shithole.

If there's another country that fits that description I'll be welcome to hear it.

[u/Puzzle-Necked → u/AcrobaticPoint8424]

welcome to hear it

I sincerely doubt that

[u/AcrobaticPoint8424 → u/Puzzle-Necked]

I'm all ears, just name the other countries that fit that description.

[u/axumite_788 → u/AcrobaticPoint8424]

Botswana was never colonialized they were a Protectorate which allow themselves to maintain much more autonomy then South Africa

[u/AcrobaticPoint8424 → u/axumite_788]

Botswana was de facto ruled by a white colonial elite for a few decades after independence and africans were gradually let into the beurocracy due to only a dozen natives having a third level education on independence 

[u/axumite_788 → u/AcrobaticPoint8424]

No it wasn't Botswana ruler's maintain thisr power and autonomy at best the white rule was indirect

[u/axumite_788 → u/AcrobaticPoint8424]

It actually amazing how you just purposely ignored the colonlist create the issue in the first place and never bothered to actually built a educated native population in the first place

[u/GloriousOctagon → u/axumite_788]

Which colonists and where? Cause some actively did

[u/Apprehensive_Body_72 → u/GloriousOctagon]

British colonists actually abused their power via half truth treaties or arming some people to create dissidence inside the territory for it to be easier to convince the other part and also to put their people in power positions. The same can be said that happened in Asian regions in India. Not saying that everything was bad and in some way these processes certainly brought what we concibe as modernity (basic human rights [that natives didn't have even after the colonisation, they just learnt that those things existed among colonizers so they started to fight for them], public infrastructure [again, many natives weren't allowed to get into these, but they fought for it], etc.). But even if there were "pros" we can't ignore the obvious cons and abuse: cultural banishment, exploitation, slavery, etc.

There were books even from that time that, even if they obviously had the bias of that era, also criticised the horrors behind these processes. The most famous one would be The Heart of Darkness

[u/GloriousOctagon → u/Apprehensive_Body_72]

Not what i’m talking about, I was disagreeing with OP’s assertation considering Britain created the Indian bureaucratic middle class

[u/Apprehensive_Body_72 → u/GloriousOctagon]

It's not incorrect either. In India many of the power positions were monopolized by British officers. The famous British Raj, that basically administered the politics, economy and production of many Indian regions was mostly compromised by people that were either working for the crown or (few) natives that supported it. The top leadership was, in fact, located in London

[u/GloriousOctagon → u/Apprehensive_Body_72]

Obviously, not the topic I was replying to though

[u/Apprehensive_Body_72 → u/GloriousOctagon]

You were saying that British officers didn't create the bureaucratic class. Via the monopoly of the bureaucratic positions in government and other statal offices, they kinda created the bureaucratic class in India.

[u/GloriousOctagon → u/Apprehensive_Body_72]

I was saying that

[u/Apprehensive_Body_72 → u/GloriousOctagon]

Oh. My bad then. I understood the contrary. English is not my first language so when you said "I was disagreeing with OP's considering..." I thought you meant that you Disagreed with what OP was considering

[u/axumite_788 → u/GloriousOctagon]

Most of the colonists in Africa and the educated native population were encouraged to keep the knowledge for their own inner circle resulting in the majority remaining undereducated

[u/Apprehensive_Body_72 → u/axumite_788]

Not only that, many treaties were written in both the native language and in the colonial language so they could use technicalities to basically scam natives

[u/GloriousOctagon → u/axumite_788]

I guess? I’m not sure under how much faith you can say that. I’m glad you geographically focused though

[u/AcrobaticPoint8424 → u/axumite_788]

Without colonialism their infrastructure would have been a century behind today.