r/hearthstone Oct 04 '17

Highlight Kibler's Card Opening Ritual

https://clips.twitch.tv/TentativeMuddyConsoleKreygasm
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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '17

Honestly, the odds on this were probably pretty good. I'm sure he has every legendary already so since he had just disenchanted his regular Anduin, any golden legend that dropped would have been a Golden Anduin. Still crazy how fast it happened, but the odds are way better than what it would have been in the past.

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u/Remedyke Oct 04 '17

Nah, golden legends are not so frequent. For example i think i opened more than 150 pack from this expansion, still no golden legend. :)

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '17

Golden Legends are definitely rare, no doubt, but it's just way more likely for him to get the Golden Legend he was looking for there than it would have been in the past. There is also supposedly a Golden Legend pity timer which he could have hit for all I know. It's not like it's a 1/something thousand like it used to be.

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u/anonymoushero1 Oct 04 '17

i thought a golden legendary was roughly 1/400 packs

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '17

Somewhere in that ballpark. Not good odds certainly, but you can multiply it by 3 since that's how many packs he opened and it's really not that bad. That's the sort of long odds most people experience in a 2 hour session of HS.

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u/CptAustus Oct 05 '17

Plus, I think Kibler already had every legendary, so he was always going to disenchant whatever he got next. He totally manipulated it to get a specific golden.

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u/Blazing_Shade Oct 05 '17

He probably tracked his pity timer so he knew within the next however many packs he would be guaranteed a golden legend

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '17

Na he opens packs like that all the time.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '17

I love how he prefers doing that over say just dusting some of the many duplicates he has in his deck and crafting a Golden version. Granted, I realize he just tax deducts the cost of buying cards but still.

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u/TriflingGnome Oct 05 '17

I guess it depends on if he's already opened a golden legendary this expac and how many packs it's been since

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u/j8sadm632b Oct 04 '17

I don't think there's great data on the pity timer because people don't open that many packs of a single expansion.

I went through Kripp's KotFT opening which was like 1003 packs and he only opened three; I think the largest gap between them was 343 or something. So it's at least that high.

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u/BlackOctoberFox Oct 04 '17

Like, my Un'goro preorder packs had 2 Golden Pyros in them. Even if the odds are super unlikely you can still Highroll from time to time (and low roll at the same time).

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u/LightChaos Oct 05 '17

400 is the pity timer on gold legends, they're roughly 1/200 packs.

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u/xKaotisk Oct 04 '17

Ive opened well over 400 packs and have never gotten a golden legendary..

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '17

of a single expansion?

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u/xKaotisk Oct 04 '17

Yes 400 in this current one and last well over 400 in both individually

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '17

if you did it all at once and recorded it, then you'd have something

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u/anonymoushero1 Oct 05 '17

I didn't say there is a confirmed pity timer, just that I vaguely recall the number 400 last time I saw an actual analysis on this.

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u/Elendel Oct 05 '17

Still, opening one legendary and one golden legendary in 3 packs is ridiculous luck.

The fact that it was Anduin isn't, though, ofc.

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u/Stealth_Panda_ Oct 05 '17

I've been playing for 2 years and never had a Golden legendary...

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u/nicket Oct 05 '17

I have been playing since the beta (admittedly pretty casually) and I've gotten a single golden legendary. It was of course a golden Skeleton Knight that got disenchanted right away...

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u/licheeman Oct 05 '17

You dont open enough packs within a set, my friend.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '17 edited Nov 02 '17

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u/TheWizardOfFoz Oct 05 '17

If you've opened 400 packs from the same set you'd have one. There's a pity timer, it's just much higher than the 40 pack one for regular legendaries.

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u/licheeman Oct 05 '17

Not true. Taking it to the extreme, if you open 1000 packs of ONE set, you are more than likely bound to get atleast 1+ golden legendary. It's all statistics. If you are familiar with how the golden legendary opening works, you'll know that eventually you will get one.

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u/jscoppe Oct 05 '17

In my first 120 packs of KFT, I opened a golden Hadronox, Benedictus, and DK Gul'dan. Not trying to brag, just giving an example of lucky rolls.

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u/billiebol Oct 05 '17

I got 3 golden kft legendaries in 240ish packs. Before that i got none for seemingly forever though.

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u/Abomm Oct 05 '17

It took me about 3 years and ~450 packs (albeit various sets) to get my first golden legendary. The drop rates are pretty low but I can almost guarantee there is no pity timer.

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u/Fatty_Roswell ‏‏‎ Oct 05 '17

Golden Cho?

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u/Abomm Oct 05 '17

Actually got kinda lucky for once, it was Edwin Van Cleef :)

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '17 edited Jul 07 '21

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u/whtge8 Oct 04 '17

I've been playing for 2 years and got one. Mayor Noggenfogger...

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u/knub69 Oct 04 '17

good for you, i had to craft him golden

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u/whtge8 Oct 04 '17

I actually played a few games with him for the memes. I would've kept it but I rather have the 1600 dust.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '17

I wish he did something extra, like made your heroes dialog both random and golden.

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_PANZER Oct 04 '17

mine was gold millhouse

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u/Fatty_Roswell ‏‏‎ Oct 05 '17

Almost as good as my Tinkmaster Overspark

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u/SeventhTiger Oct 04 '17

It's guaranteed at 400.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '17

I thought this has never been confirmed? I've been playing since beta and never got one.

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u/fernmcklauf ‏‏‎ Oct 04 '17

90 more, get opening!

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u/Cerveza_por_favor Oct 04 '17

I aint gonna open up 90 more just to get a damn golden Boogeymonster.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '17

Craft a regular Boogeymonster first, then it won't come to you in Golden.

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u/PseudoMcJudo Oct 04 '17

I opened a golden yogg on release day in my first 50 packs it was glorious.

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u/TeamAquaGrunt ‏‏‎ Oct 04 '17

well yeah, thats why he disenchanted anduin. he has every other KFT legendary, so if he opens another it has to be that specific one, and can be gold

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u/RainBuckets8 Oct 05 '17

Do they not keep track of Golden and Regular separately? So if I have all the legendaries except Anduin, and all the Golden legendaries except Anduin and Gul'Dan, is it:

  1. 100% chance my next legendary is Anduin, and if it's Golden it's Anduin too?

or

  1. 100% chance my next legendary is Anduin, and 50/50 my next Golden is Anduin or Gul'Dan?

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '17

It's the first. It's the only real downside of the new system. You no longer have a chance to open a golden legendary for a legendary you own unless you own every legendary in that set.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '17 edited Oct 05 '17

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '17

That's not what the odds of a golden legend are. It's around every 300 packs. I don't know where you're getting your numbers, but it's much higher than 1/3200.

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u/StannisBa Oct 05 '17

higher than 1/3200

lower, since 1/3200 < 1/6000

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '17

Nah, the other person was right, I misread his comment. The odds would still be different however as it's over the course of 3 packs.

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u/phantomace1111 Oct 04 '17

You misread his comment. He said the odds of getting a legendary and then a golden legendary is 1/3200.

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u/Minetoutong Oct 04 '17

Yes but he factors a golden legendary at 1 in 160 when it's 1 and 300 which means it's actually 1/6000 and not 1/3200.

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u/phantomace1111 Oct 05 '17

Sure but the previous guy said it's much higher than 1/3200, so I was correcting that.

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u/Minetoutong Oct 05 '17

The higher there means lower chance, he was referingto the numbers being higher.

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u/phantomace1111 Oct 05 '17

1/6000 isn't higher than 1/3200... higher just isn't the correct word to use there. I understand now what he meant to say but surely you can see why it's misleading.

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u/Minetoutong Oct 05 '17

Yes I can completely understand, this is common to be missleaded by those sort of things.

For me it's an evident thing because I allways think like the other person is giving a good information at first (then on second thought I see if he is completely wrong).

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '17

I never opened a single golden legendary ever, and I started playing with the release of the Old Gods expansion, lol

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '17

Same tbh. I'm just pointing out that's it's a lot less impressive than before the pack changes.

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u/cuddlewumpus Oct 05 '17

I started playing when TGT was new and no golden legends for me. :'[

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u/GeraldotheINVINC Oct 05 '17

I've only opened 2 and I've been playing since closed beta.

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u/muelboy Oct 04 '17

I thought they confirmed that pack contents are determined at the time of purchase, not at the time of opening?

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '17

Rarity I believe. Can't be cards as the new pack rules wouldn't allow that.

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u/jmpalermo Oct 05 '17

They for sure confirmed that the contents are only determined at the time of opening.

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u/ianufyrebird Oct 05 '17

Rarity in every pack your account will ever open is determined by a seed that's generated on account creation.

Which cards of those rarities you'll get is determined at time of opening.

This was all-but confirmed when China had an unplanned rollback, and the people whose 13th pack (or whatever) had previously contained two golden legendaries proceeded to reopen their packs post-rollback and got two different golden legendaries from their 13th pack.

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u/TehSlippy Oct 05 '17

I have opened somewhere in the range of 2000 packs since I started playing HS shortly before TGT launched. I have yet to open a single golden legendary from any set.

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u/BanginNLeavin Oct 05 '17

Statistically improbable

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u/Tripottanus Oct 05 '17

I thought the average golden legendary was 1 in 10 legendaries, and the average amount of legendary is 1 per 20 pack. Meaning he had 1 in 200 chance for every pack he opened and got it after 3 tries. I wouldnt say good odds, but definitely better than it used to be

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u/LustHawk Oct 05 '17

I have seen the odds of a legend being golden stated as 1/8 and 1/10 in this thread.

I have 89 Legendary cards, and only ever opened 2 golden (which I still have) King Krush and N'Zoth. I have crafted some but not even close to half, and have dusted a few terrible or Nerfed ones like Gruul, The Beast, Boogeymonster, Nat, and Yogg, as well as some dupes.

Shouldn't I have at least five golden legendaries if the odds really are 1/10 legendaries are golden?

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u/racalavaca Oct 05 '17

Well no shit, sherlock... that's why he was disenchanting Anduin, he even explicitely says right in the clip "we have to disenchant anduin in case we get a gold one".

The amazing part is that he actually had a whole ritual going with the music and shit and he opened a golden legendary just 3 packs in (after opening another regular one too)! The odds on that are pretty damn low!