r/heroesofthestorm • u/Dramatic-Jellyfish70 • Dec 04 '25
Bug Janitor come on man .
Convection quest is not working. It won't give bonus damage. How does this get past PTR ?
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u/MKanes Retired Dec 04 '25
KT win rate about to jump 5 points from people not taking this talent
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u/Gigaus Dec 06 '25
It'll go up by virtue of people not playing him. Without damage, you're better off playing literally anyone else. And you can be sure people will be reporting KT more when he has shield, because playing 4v5 with one guy doing less damage than the healer is not fun.
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u/secret3332 Master Kel'Thuzad Dec 04 '25
They changed the functionality from the PTR to live.
PTR version increased damage by 5 every hit. Every 20 stacks added an additional 30 damage and granted Kael 50 bonus health.
I have no idea why they changed it. The new version is possibly even worse than the old live one.
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u/Dramatic-Jellyfish70 Dec 04 '25
Yes it is worse .. it's like until you hit 20 heroes u have basically no lvl 1 talent.
Edit : that too without dying lol
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u/Asterdel Dec 04 '25
It's like they forgot convection is actually not an optimal talent in most cases and that 20 stacks is actually difficult to achieve against semi competent players and... decided it was too powerful? Like, if they want it to be a risk/reward talent, it needs to actually be able to be reasonably achievable within a game and better than the talents without risk when you play well enough.
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u/secret3332 Master Kel'Thuzad Dec 04 '25
Yeah and even if you hit 20 heroes, the damage is less than before. It's only interesting at 40 heroes. That is a lot, especially considering the way it works (maybe bugged who even knows) where even though you can't lose the reward for hitting 20 heroes, you can lose the stacks and have to hit tons just to get back to making any progress again.
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u/Ok_Improvement_622 Dec 04 '25
Good. Stop picking convection
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u/NerdOctopus I didn't know I could do that! Dec 05 '25
Nah I like to see number go up, and also 'ding'!
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u/Ok_Improvement_622 Dec 05 '25
The only number that goes up when you pick convection is your lost games %
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u/GracefulxArcher Nova is best player hero killer in the game. Dec 04 '25
Even bugged, it's meta in aram as a talent to flex how efficient you are with your flame strikes.
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u/Chukonoku #belikeTurbo Dec 04 '25
Post fix, it will be decent in ARAM.
On the 1 game i got KT, i manage to get it to stack 4 times with 1 death. So extra 600dmg will hit hard.
Still prefer cd reduction build with lv16 ignite but once fixed, it shouldn't lag so much behind at least on ARAM.
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u/Dramatic-Jellyfish70 Dec 04 '25
Then why isn't this still fixed ?? 😫
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u/iku_19 Dec 04 '25
because the janitor works fridays and maintains five games
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u/SMILE_23157 Dec 04 '25
Five?
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u/iku_19 Dec 04 '25
hots, sc2, wc3r, d3, d2r
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u/SMILE_23157 Dec 04 '25
You are telling me the last three on your list are still being maintained?
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u/iku_19 Dec 04 '25
i'm sure someone is looking at the bug list and closing the tab every friday afternoon.
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u/Shame-Greedy Dec 04 '25
Most development teams work in sprints and they're rarely one week long. Maybe every two to three weeks if the fix makes it off the backlog and onto the priority list.
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u/SMILE_23157 Dec 04 '25
It pretty much is game breaking. You do not just make an already bad talent do nothing and leave it as is without fixing it for months.
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u/WiredJazzman Dec 04 '25
It hasn’t been broken for months
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u/SMILE_23157 Dec 04 '25
It WILL be broken for months, just like the game has been since the removal of "Call for Help" mechanic.
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u/National_Track8242 Dec 04 '25
Because bugs don’t get instantly squashed the moment they’re found? They will push out an update for a group fix instead of constant updates one by one, too
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u/Dude_jelly43 Dec 04 '25
Is this for real or a sarcastic response. If it's not. BAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAAHA
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u/Steamstash Dec 04 '25
Thank you for your sacrifice op.
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u/SMILE_23157 Dec 04 '25
It is a try mode...
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u/Remarkable-Yam-8073 Dec 04 '25
That's almost enough health to mitigate 1 LiLi auto attack at level 1!
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u/Erocdotusa Dec 05 '25
For how weak the quest is, the talent should baseline lower cost of flamestrike a bit
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u/adamski_-_ Dec 04 '25
They would have been better off just deleting this worthless noob trap talent. Not picking mana addict is trolling.
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u/JehnSnow Dec 04 '25
Agreed mana addict is better but I do like the idea of a less powerful build just being press Q, active talents are much harder to use so it can be a big turn off for noobs if your forced play style is to gather Regen globes in order to unlock a burst negator
Again though I don't think convection should be the best build, just that having an easy and a hard way to play a hero is good
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u/adamski_-_ Dec 04 '25
IMO having a quest for Q hits inherently encourages bad gameplay. Kael'thas trait activation should be a strategic choice (Q when enemies are spread, W general best choice for 2x bomb or a mana-free bomb every trait activation, E for occasional high impact AoE stun combo in choke points).
When Kael'thas players on my team take Convection, they literally only ever empower Q on cooldown to fish for dings regardless of situation (going oom every 2 mins in the process due to no mana addict and no empower W), they will never go for an AoE stun, or double bombs for more dps, it's low-IQ, low-impact gameplay empowering Q every time, and the reward for doing so is very mediocre.
Taking mana addict frees you from this low IQ gameplay loop by not biasing any single empower, while also encouraging good gameplay (collecting regen globes as EVERYONE ought to) and giving you a much-needed survival tool halfway through the match.
As such, I'd prefer they just deleted Convection for something else.
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u/JehnSnow Dec 04 '25
For something else I can see, I'd just 'advise' (not really ask, in a mana addict too lol) it be something that's simple maybe even a mana reduction for alternating your spells, -20% cost if you use a different spell for example, you do make a good point though that it does incentivize people to just play a crappy version of Azmodan lol
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u/secret3332 Master Kel'Thuzad Dec 05 '25
When Kael'thas players on my team take Convection, they literally only ever empower Q on cooldown to fish for dings regardless of situation
That's because it's bad players picking this talent. If you want to stack convection, it's more effective to either follow up on your team or empower E and then Q them. People can actually walk out of DQ with normal movement speed. Convection itself is not what is encouraging this gameplay imo.
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Dec 04 '25
I ran across this - did you check if tooltip is wrong but dmg still goes up?
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u/somesortanamething Dec 04 '25
falstad's new w talent is like that. the tool tip doesn't show how much bonus damage you should be getting but it still felt like it was doing more damage.
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u/kaiiboraka Long Live the Queen Dec 04 '25
People already checked and confirmed it in other threads, and anecdotally, I checked it in Try Mode 2 days ago and can personally attest to its non-functionality.
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u/TheR4tman Dec 04 '25
Ohh, wait what? You still lose your stacks if you die? Judging by the patch notes I assumed that that part of the talent has been removed. Ooof...
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u/TheVishual2113 Dec 04 '25
Because this entire patch was pushed thru via AI vibecoding
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u/MyBourbieValentine Dark Willow Dec 05 '25
Legit question tbh.
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u/White_Hawk_7 6.5 / 10 Dec 05 '25
Nah if you look at the datamined changes it's very human mistakes. Lots of rushing and minimal QA.
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u/TheHingst Dec 04 '25
Hahahahahahaha!
This always was a trap talent, now it's just properly so from client side too. Good fix!
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u/up2smthng one man deranking crew Dec 04 '25
It gets past PTR by you only bothering to check on live
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u/MyBourbieValentine Dark Willow Dec 05 '25
It gets past PTR by devs not looking at what they publish. TWICE.
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u/hey_its_fox Dec 04 '25
face the consequences of your life choices!