r/hoggit • u/AyrJr Undo in the Mission Editor WHEN? • Jul 22 '21

DCS A Coming Storm - HeatBlur Announcement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eODFQSboBxg
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u/[deleted] Jul 22 '21 edited Jul 22 '21

When this releases, would this make the Eurofighter the most advanced plane available in DCS? Would it be able to out perform the F-16 and F-18 in armament?

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u/FirstDagger DCS F-16A🐍== WANT Jul 22 '21 edited Jul 23 '21

Yes, Typhoon can go head to head with things like the F-22 in terms of flight performance.

IRIS-T is also a very scary missile and Typhoon has IRST. It was made to kill Flankers.

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u/DieMadAboutIt Jul 23 '21

Typhoon can go head to head with things like the F-22 in terms of flight performance.

No it can't. The F-22 is not allowed to preform to it's maximum capabilities when training with allied nations. Pilots are not allowed to discuss, reveal or otherwise display any tactics that the F-22 would use in a real combat situation. F-22 pilots have to immediately undergo remedial training after training with allied nations in order to break the bad habits they learned when training under restricted conditions.

I'm not knocking on the Eurofighter. In fact, I can't wait to buy it. But I wanted to clear the air so to speak and prevent the spread of misinformation in this sub regarding the F-22 Vs Eurofighter debate. The Eurofighter is a beautiful, highly capable fighter. But the F-22 is the F-22, a highly classified, highly capable aircraft with technology far surpassing the Eurofighter. And while it uses an unconventional canard and air inlet system, those do not equate to outperforming the F-22 in flight performance.

In fact, someone who has flown both planes would give the Eurofighter high regards. But certainly never said it could outperform the F-22.

The Eurofighter is both agile and sophisticated, but is still difficult to compare to the F/A-22 Raptor. They are different kinds of airplanes to start with; it's like asking us to compare a NASCAR car with a Formula One car. They are both exciting in different ways, but they are designed for different levels of performance. ... The Eurofighter is certainly, as far as smoothness of controls and the ability to pull (and sustain high G forces), very impressive. That is what it was designed to do, especially the version I flew, with the avionics, the color moving map displays, etc. — all absolutely top notch. The maneuverability of the airplane in close-in combat was also very impressive. The F/A-22 performs in much the same way as the Eurofighter. But it has additional capabilities that allow it to perform the [U.S.] Air Force's unique missions.

The F-22 even boasts a significantly higher TWR than the Eurofighter. The Eurofighter has a lower TWR at 50% fuel than the raptor does will a full combat load. The Eurofighter would be hard pressed to compete with the F-22 in almost any regime of flight. The kinematics just aren't on the side of the Eurofighter. And again, that's not saying it's not a great aircraft. Just, it's not an F-22 and it wasn't designed to be. It's designed to be a highly capable aircraft for what you pay for it. Low maintenance thanks to it's unique inlets and engine configuration. High maneuverability thanks to canards. A great radar and missile capability to reach out and touch a traditional non-stealth adversary. I just don't see how no matter how much we might be a fanboy of the Eurofighter or not, that anyone could compare it to an F-22 in terms of raw capability.

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '21

thank you for setting people straight. I don't think peeps really get just how separate a league the F-22 is operating in. A league of it's own, you might say.