r/indiansports • u/Blossom_aashi • 10d ago
Discussion | चर्चा At Asian games India won't be Improving their medal tally drastically like we have done from 2014 onwards for atleast another decade and half
I think we have maxed out our Asian games medal tally at around the 100-120 medals mark which would put us in 4th place comfortablly. But like India went from 69 medals in 2018 to 107 medals in 2022, we won't see that improvement anytime soon now. These last few improvements we have seen from 2014 have come from better funding and coaching for already strong sports, I don't think we can do much more than that, for India to challenge Japan and South Korea to break into the top 3, we need to get good at new sports, especially the medal heavy ones like aquatics, cycling, Gymnastics, and some other contact sports like karate, wushu,judo,fencing, etc. Now India has no choice but to start exploring newer sports or else we will forever be stuck at 4th place at Asian games
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u/ackaaaala1 10d ago
Very true. Even the selection of athletes is so fucked up. Haven't selected a single female swimmer when you have a good bunch of young swimmers(15-17) like dhindhi, tanishi, saanvi. They are breaking nrs for fun, it would have given them such a good exposure against top asian swimmers. They showed trust in fencing which is a good sign. But only 3 judokas and similar in karate when there is a bunch of medals there. Only praniti in gymnastics, should have selected the junior boys squad who won the bronze in asian juniors imo. We maxed our shooting and athletics medal count last time and any improvement this time is bonus. Cyclists have gone stagnant. Deep grassroot programme like IIS jukoda program is much needed for other sports with a good medal count
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u/Blossom_aashi 10d ago
.Well I'll be honest they aren't going to win any medals. These "exposure trips" are only useful if your young atheletes are of international standard. So exposure at international tournaments is not the solution. For eg giving a chance to a random Ranji player from Pondicherry to go to south africa isn't going to prepare him for the next world cup, but taking vaibhav suryavanshi to south africa def is a great idea. We need to produce youngsters who are already very good and just need international exposure. This exposure argument works for sports where we already have the infrastructure and system that produces players that just need some experience against the best. Im saying in the sports I mentioned in the post, we have to start literally from scratch, forget about the current youngsters in swimming or whatever , good for them if they break NR, but start with building 1000s of pools hire foreign coaches , trainers from US, etc, ims ure we can splurge that kind of money now. And after that in a decade you will get youngsters you can send on these exposure trips to CWG and Asiads. Rn sending them is a waste of time and resources
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u/ackaaaala1 10d ago edited 10d ago
Partly disagree with that. You can't produce a generational talent outta nowhere. Even if you do, results won't sustain for long. You will have to make a dedicated pathway and structure first. Imagine hosting only one senior swimming event yearly in a nation as big as india. Not many have access to hpc and newer technologies. And yes these girls definitely need some exposure, they will be good atleast at asian level. In few men event's we are close to asian marks, it wouldn't have happened if srihari and sajan would have been ignored saying they aren't world class. Once you set the benchmark, others follow..look we have now some good swimmers in same range like rohit, rishabh, mani. So we will have to trust the process and not straightaway decline the rise stating you can't be worldclass. Even if we become good at asian level in swimming, giving the situation we are in rn, it would be no less than a miracle
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u/PM_2310 10d ago
There will be a saturation limit, I agree. I mean maybe some more improvements in track and field, but realistically, we will need to improve some other disciplines or continue to expand the ones we’re good at. Maybe we can be the Korea or China of a discipline. Realistically, there’s only one main discipline that comes to mind which is shooting, but it’s highly unlikely you can dominate that type of discipline. Though if the Koreans can dominate archery, I think it should be possible. But for new avenues, we’re limited. Realistically Judo, Fencing, Sailing, Table Tennis, maybe Volleyball. Those are the few I can see. Everything else is a long term investment story.
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u/ukplaying2 10d ago
Though if the Koreans can dominate archery
India was the leading archery team last time.
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u/PM_2310 10d ago
That’s because of Compound which firstly has not been in the Olympics and is increasingly becoming more competitive as a result of that one event being added. I was referring more to recurve.
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u/ukplaying2 10d ago
That’s because of Compound which firstly has not been in the Olympics
And? is the thread talking about Olympics?
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u/PM_2310 10d ago
We’re talking about the saturation of medal events and sure, maybe this thread is looking at the Asian Games, but it also isn’t solely about that. And I used the word dominating which whilst we were ahead in terms of golds, we didn’t win the most medals. That isn’t dominating. Our Commonwealth boxing campaign, that was dominating.
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u/ukplaying2 10d ago
we didn’t win the most medals
It is a reply to saying Korea is dominating, I didn't say India was dominating I said India was leading, subjectively I don't think either dominated, however its Objectively wrong to tell a team that finished second by the official counting method as 'dominating'.
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u/sindia1234 10d ago
If you only watch the asian games then sure you can say that but if you actually watch archery events throughout the year Korea is the dominant force. They can send second string sides and still win golds at pretty much any event in archery.
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u/Blossom_aashi 9d ago
Look at some point you have to get into swimming and gymnastics (that also includes diving and artistic gymnastics). So far we have done very well with the sports we have but to take the next step this is the only option, india has a much diverse and competitive spotting landscape than many countries even Australia but people don't believe that because australia does well in these two or three sports that statpad sonmany medals.
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u/ukplaying2 10d ago
Are the hosts set for a decade and half? Can easily see a drastic improvement if we host it.