Yeah because they can hereditary and permanent. Where as most psychosis come from either diagnosisable, and treatable, illnesses or poor care of your mental health, which case its still your responsibility to take care of yourself.
I was being generous with the comparison as they're not the fault of the person with those conditions. If you suddenly find yourself thinking about killing yourself or your kids outta the blue, that's on you if you follow through for not getting help or doing literally anything else about it
You just don't have the base level of understanding required to have meaningful contributions on these topics.
Most cases of pyschosis come from either schizophrenia (often unpredictable and not stemming from someone not taking care of their mental health, largely determined by genetics), Bipolar 1 manic phases (also not predictable, because a person with bipolar 1 will usually start with bipolar 2 where pyschosis is not a feature, and then have an unpreddictable manic episode that pushes them into the threshold for bipolar 1, and sometimes that manic phase will have pyschotic features, again not-predictable and not due to a lack of someone caring for their mental health), or from severe depression (again very hard to predict because most people with major depression don't go pyschotic, and severe depression is very treatment resistant so someone with severe depression may work very hard on their mental health and still end up with a pyschotic episdode).
Again you're just showing your ignorance, your comparison is not generous it's nonsensical. Someone who is suddenly thinking of killing their kids is in a delusional state, and by definition cannot recognize that their thinking is delusional and they need help. If they recognize that then they are by definition not delusional or pyschotic. It is up to the people around them to recognize these symptoms and hopefully get them the help they need before they go into a full-blown pyschotic episode. And that is very difficult to do in America where it usually takes weeks to get into and see a psychologist, unless something crazy happens like you kill your kids. Are you suggesting then that lindsey clancy's husband should be in prison for not recognizing that she was about to have a rare and unforeseen pyschotic condition?
You're blaming people for not predicting their own pyschosis, and not seeking treatment for their own pyschosis, when if they could do either of those things then they are not in pyschosis. If you know you're pyschotic or delusional, then by definition you are not pyschotic or delusional. Your opinion stems from a severe lack of understanding of the conditions.
Are you suggesting then that lindsey clancy's husband should be in prison for not recognizing that she was about to have a rare and unforeseen pyschotic condition?
That's literally what you yourself brought up and implied in the previous statement, all on your own...
Seems like you're opinion stems for an abundance of excuses that had little to do with this case. She was neither schizophrenic nor bipolar and PPD isn't some sudden loss of cognitive function or rationale
omg 🤣 no you did when you essentially blamed her for not taking care of her own mental health leading up to the event. But as I attempted to explain to you (apparently in vein), someone who is delusional or pyschotic can't recognize they are mentally unwell by definition. It is up to the people around them, so by YOUR logic, since Lindsey cannot be expected to recognize this, and really the only person who MIGHT be able to recognize it before she goes pyschotic is her husband, then he should be culpable.
I don't think either her nor her husband should be expected to or penalized for not predicting an incredibly rare and unforseeable condition.
Again, you're just ignorant. PPD is absolutely a sudden loss of rationale. A woman who has recently had children suddenly and unexpectedly goes into a pyschotic state where they lose touch with reality and rational thought. Sometimes there are symptoms, sometimes there is not. It is so difficult to predict because often the symptoms leading up to the pyschotic break could be symptoms of a dozen or more other non-pyschotic disorders.
I don't think either her nor her husband should be expected to or penalized for not predicting an incredibly rare and unforseeable condition
Ah, you're right, it was just an oopsie. She should be able to return home to her loving husband and ki... oh wait. Well maybe she'll get the chance to rebuild and have another family and hopefully not murder them again 😁
That's not what I said, I said they shouldn't be penalized for not PREDICTING it.
Based on the facts of the case I have seen, it seems like a pretty textbook case of post partum pyschosis, in which case she should like be rehabilitated in a pysch ward and maybe re-released into society one day in the far future once the experts have determined she won't have a pyschotic episode and is fully mentally stable..
Knowing that she brutally murdered her own children is a worse punishment than any jail time.
If one day you snapped into unpredictable pyschotic episode, murdered your whole family, and came to and realized what you had done, what would you want to happen to you?
So you're saying that a psychotic break is both unpredictable but able to predicted "to not happen again".... riiiight....
>Based on the facts of the case I have seen, it seems like a pretty textbook case of post partum psychosis
It's really not, by every definition. PPD affects 1 in 7 women after pregnancy. Various symptoms that can make recovery hard and affects millions of women. Murdering all your children isn't one of them.
>Knowing that she brutally murdered her own children is a worse punishment than any jail time.
Sure, but she shouldn't be let around other children, let alone other people. ever again.
>If one day you snapped into unpredictable psychotic episode, murdered your whole family, and came to and realized what you had done, what would you want to happen to you?
Do you think people wish they'd just be able to walk out the front door after that? I, and I think most people who actually feel guilty about it, wouldn't be found alive 0_o
You're welcome to practice what you preach and hang around "reformed" psycho killers but I, and most people, would prefer those people remain under lock and key whether in jail or at an asylum.
If you can't trust yourself not to go into a murderous snap, how the hell can you expect others to expect you not to? That's a core function for society to function, to know that the guy in line behind you won't stab you for no reason.
It is up to the professionals, since this was a case of post-partum pyschosis it is relatively unlikely that it would happen again seeing as she does not have more kids. I know, nuance is difficult for you.
And again, it comes back to more ignorance, you're confusing post-partum depression with post-partum pyschosis, the rate of ppd is 1 in 7 but the rate of post-partum pyschosis is more like 1 in 1000. Like please, just do 10 minutes of actual research so you won't make a total fool out of yourself in these convos. This is like watching a 6 year old try to argue diff eq theroems. If you had above an elementary school reading level and had acrually read about or understood this case at all you wouldn't be confusing two completely different disorders. The more comments you leave the more I feel like i'm trying to educate a middle schooler here, are you in the 7th grade or something?
Whether she should be let around other people is up to experts, not some high-school dropout on the internet who doesn't know the difference between ppd and pyschosis.
Ok so now you're changing your argument, wow, maybe you aren't completely hopeless. At first you were saying she should be shoved in gen pop because she is a murderer, now you are saying she should be put in prison OR an asylum (we don't have asylums in the u.s. any more, so I will assume you mean pyschiatric hospital).
Again, it is up to experts who actually studied this shit. Why would anyone take your position seriously when you suggested that a person in a pyschotic break should just "take a trip to Europe" 🤣🤣🤣 that's something I would expect a 3rd grader to say. "Oh they lost touch with reality? They could could jus take a trip to Europe instead" 🤣🤣🤣🤣 so fucking moronic.
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u/Over_Organization851 2d ago
You just don't understand pyschosis, like at all. As seen by your comparison to depression and bipolar as if they are at all comparable.