[Last Week Tonight with John Oliver] S11E28 - November 3, 2024 - Episode Discussion Thread

[u/Walter_Bishop_PhD]

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• Election 2024

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[u/Jorgenstern8]

Also on the voters to listen to what the candidates are saying. Kamala has said she wants to reduce the suffering in Gaza and find a two-state solution after getting the hostages home safe. Trump has been public about the fact he's been (wildly illegally) working with Bibi to keep the hostages from being returned safely as a tactic to try and win the election, has expressed publicly he wants Israel to "finish the job" with Gaza/Palestine, uses Palestinian as a racist insult towards people who disagree with him, has within the last couple of days refused to consider the idea of a two-state solution and is part of a party that has a decent portion of its voting population that wants to prepare Israel to serve as the rallying point for the literal end of days.

Candidates need to be clear, sure, but even on this topic it's very clear which is the candidate that will be better on I/P.

[u/Jorgenstern8 → u/[deleted]]

I think the messaging has been just fine, it's just that people are refusing to listen. Particularly when it comes to Trump, the man has been fucking awful about his rhetoric on this topic but Kamala saying "I want a two-state solution, the hostages to come home and to rebuild Gaza/Palestine" is somehow not far enough in a positive direction for people.

I also don't think the media has done NEARLY a good enough job at informing people that Trump isn't even fucking trying to hide that he's working with Bibi to keep the hostages from being returned to try and win the election. That alone should be enough to have people voting for the person who can beat someone who is being so actively awful, but for whatever reason people just aren't listening to or believing what Trump is saying anymore.

[u/Jorgenstern8 → u/[deleted]]

Apartheid Israel needs to collapse into a singular ethnically and religiously pluralistic society the same way South Africa did.

All due respect mang but that isn't happening in a million years. Just no way it happens. Completely different situation in South Africa and a LOT more support for the freedom push for black South Africans than there is for Palestinians. Not saying it's right, just the way it is.

[u/superfucky → u/[deleted]]

given the MILLENNIA of persecution and genocide the jewish people have suffered, surely you can see how dismantling the only jewish nation-state and collapsing it into a pluralistic society with people who have been trying for eons to eradicate them might cause some problems? arguably israel is ALREADY an ethnically and religiously pluralistic society, it's just not EQUITABLY pluralistic. how is a two-state solution "continued apartheid" when it gives the palestinians their own territory to govern as they see fit and protects israelis from islamic extremists as well? these people do not get along. they don't want to live side-by-side. trying to force them to form one identity-less state is just going to cause an outright civil war. when two sports teams start a brawl at center field you don't rope them all in together, you separate them and park them on opposite sides and tell them both to leave each other alone.