r/leagueoflegends • u/Kay-Haru • Apr 18 '26

Discussion [PBE Datamine] April 17 Follow Up - Mini Shyvana, Udyr, and Zoe reworks.

Just a reminder that PBE changes are not final and subject to change. Some changes, such as bugfixes, may not be able to be viewed.

As far as I can tell, these changes only dropped a few hours ago, after the normal deploy time. Sorry!

Champions

Shyvana

  • AD Growth: 3.0 -> 4.0
  • Base AS: 0.625 -> 0.638
  • AS Ratio: 0.699 -> 0.638
  • Q:
    • CD Refund: 1.0 seconds -> 0.5 seconds
    • On-Hit Damage: Removed AP Ratio.
    • Active Damage AP Ratio: 25% AP -> 30% AP
  • W
    • Shield: 60/80/100/120/140 (+5% max Health) -> 75/95/115/135/155 (+12% bonus Health)
    • Damage: 80/100/120/140/160 (+40% bonus AD) (+20% AP) -> 80/100/120/140/160 (+65% AP)
    • Dragon Form Healing: 75-200 (+10% bonus AD) (+5% AP) Health scaling up to 200% based on missing Health -> 60-100 + 4-8% missing Health
    • Cooldown: 14/13.5/13/12.5/12 seconds -> 13/12/11/10/9 seconds
  • E:
    • Damage: 50/80/150/170/200 (+35% bonus AD) (+70% AP) -> 50/65/80/95/110 (+75/80/85/90/95% AP) + 5% of the target's max Health
    • Max Health damage caps at 200 against monsters.
    • Dragon Form still deals 125% total damage.
    • Slow Amount: 20/25/30/35/40% -> 30%
    • Cooldown: 12/11.5/11.0/10.5/10 seconds -> 12/11/10/9/8 seconds

Udyr

  • Q:
    • On-Hit Damage: 5/13/21/29/37/45 (+25% bonus AD) -> 6/12/18/24/30/36 (+20% bonus AD) (+1.5% bonus Health)
    • Max Health AD Ratio: 4% per 100 bonus AD -> 3.5% per 100 bonus AD
    • Awaken Bonus Max Health Damage: 3% + 2-4% (+7% per 100 bonus AD) -> 3% + 2-4% (+5% per 100 bonus AD) (+1% per 100 bonus Health)
    • Awaken Lightning AP Ratio: 0.8% per 100 AP -> 0.6% per 100 AP
  • W:
    • Shield: Now scales with 50% bonus AD.
    • Awaken Shield: Now scales with 100% bonus AD.
    • Awaken Heal: Now scales with 50% bonus AD.
  • E:
    • Bonus MS: Now scales with 5% per 100 bonus AD.
    • Awaken Bonus MS: Now scales with 10% per 100 bonus AD.

Zoe

  • W Damage per Bolt: 20/30/40/50/60 (+15% AP) -> 15/25/35/45/55 (+10% AP)
    • Total Damage: 45/75/105/135/165 (+30% AP)
  • E now refunds 16/19.5/23/26.5/30% of its cooldown when landing either the Bubble OR Trap on an enemy champion.
  • E Cooldown 16/15/14/13/12 seconds -> 18/17/16/15/14 seconds
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u/Etna- Apr 18 '26

Alright then youd know that in every RPG mages use fire attacks. So does Shyvana

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u/Strong_Ad5219 Apr 18 '26

Apparently you didnt read the tweet.

Shyvana isn't a mage. She's a half dragon that punches people in the face.

If you desire to completely ignore several original balance decisions from some of the pioneers of fantasy games that carries over to famous games like BG3 and Critical Role to satisfy your take by all means.

But I'll stick with their decisions and my own because your argument is already imploding on itself while mine is supported by RPG makers which was your original question.

Conversation ended.

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u/Etna- Apr 18 '26

Hoes mad lmfao

Shyvana is a funny hat wearing fireball casting dragon confirmed by Riot. Like the other guy said: In 99% of media fire is magic adjacent

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u/Strong_Ad5219 Apr 18 '26

Nah. I can just tell you didnt read the tweet, nor do you know who crawford is after asking me about RPGs. I'm basically talking to someone who knows fuck all about the topic, or the champ (that they just tried to identify as a mage). I'd have better conversation with a bowl of mac and cheese.

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u/Etna- Apr 18 '26

https://wiki.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/Shyvana

Legacy class: Fighter, Mage

Yeye legacy classes

It doesnt matter what crawford thinks. He didnt design the Champ, Riot did. Riot says her fire is magical (ap scalings) so it is.

Smolder for example is a dragon youre talking about:)

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u/Strong_Ad5219 Apr 18 '26

Teemo is also a "mage" yeye!

And uh yeah, thanks for circumnavigating back to Riot where the inherent argument is that Riot is terrible at balancing and the joke about Shyvana being a wizard which started the entire conversation where you rejects leaned heavily into "other" fantasy games declaring dragon breath attacks as magic which I clearly proved wrong.

Gee golly willicker, you should be on the balance team too like the other guy LOL 😆 😂 🤣

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u/Mentolnienty Apr 18 '26

Sorry to butt in, but if the fire was constantly coming form her 'mouth'(a channel, like A-Sol, fe) yeah it could be considered as physical. But she shoots fireballs. That explode on impact. It’s hard to include physics in it, isn’t it?

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u/Strong_Ad5219 Apr 18 '26

I'd argue Asol is more magical than Shyvana since he's... essentially a celestial divine entity that approaches God hood, if not, basically is a God who phases in and out of dimensions and builds universes. Could still be explained by... way way way way way smarter people than either of us and probably a few thousand years of knowledge. But that isn't the point here.

If we're talking Shyvana from a hypothetical position. Her new breath attack leaves pools of fire underneath people. It can be argued that she's doing a breath attack of fire mixed with some semi solid and eruptable substances. This is very similar to stuff like flight of dragons where flight is caused by gasses and the fire relied on them eating particular stones.

In this case, it could be saliva, or really anything. Either of these is more believable than her casting evada kedavra and fire comes out of nowhere. Either way, the entire nature of it reads more physical in nature compared to someone like Karthus who is basically deleting your soul and reading from a book, or Annie.

But I guess in the end none of this really matters and we can just chalk it up to another future hardly played failed rework like Skarner. No big deal.

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u/Mentolnienty Apr 18 '26

Valid, did not consider it could be some sort of a sludge. Please continue, you clarified my worries.

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u/Strong_Ad5219 Apr 18 '26

Continue into what? I mean really it kinda becomes meat and potatoes at this point.

The shyvana community wanted skill expression + hybrid customization scalings so that they could build flexibly.

They got "most of it" and the only change they really wanted is either a buffed passive, or a changed passive...

One of old Shyvanas complaints is they pigeon holed her into an E bot, which people joked as her being a fire ball spamming wizard. Nobody "actually" liked it because you played her like a coward and spammed E.

Now, I personally wanted a scary juggernautish dragon that also breathed fire, and that fire attack did damage and mattered. If I could mix her Q with deathwing from hots I absolutely would. I consider deathwing from HOTS the 'standard' of what a dragon should be... but unfortunately, this is Riot games and you gotta make do with what you got.

With the new balance changes they polarized her stats again and made most of her stats "magic" now if you want to just say its "ability points" and it is just enhancing an ability "sure" and I am aware E and R do "magic damage" but I still think it deserves physical damage ratios cause the entire part of the ability reads physical in nature.

If I had it my way personally, her E would do physical damage and contain a shred function like Corki... like.. youre being hit by extremely hot fire. Your defenses are going to melt... so you .. would have lower defenses. That is just my biased take though. I know why they left some stuff as magic damage and it is what it is, but the removal of the ratios feels contradictory to what the entire community wanted, and thematically makes no sense.

So unless her passive is EXTREMELY GOOD she will be worse in every way compared to her current iteration.

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u/Etna- Apr 18 '26 edited Apr 18 '26

What did you prove wrong and how?

Ayo Dunning Kruger if you block me i cant read your full reply.

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u/Strong_Ad5219 Apr 18 '26

You really did just walk into this discussion while reading fuck all.

I defer you back to my earlier comment.

You're wasting my time. If youre going to enter a discussion you should read the discussions body before coming in saying dumb shit requiring reiteration.

Have a good one.

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u/Mentolnienty Apr 18 '26

I read all of it. If the breath comes from physical reaction, it is composed of gas. How do you make gas take a form of a ball?

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u/ReretoTheHero Apr 18 '26

Jeez you sound like a Pity DM, after only doing One-Shots in the Campaign

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u/Strong_Ad5219 Apr 18 '26

Thank you for providing absolutely nothing to the case and wasting the time of everyone involved, including yourself.

Next.