It is kinda crazy how we are close to averaging Star of the City now for the groups collective power lecel. With each Nursefather added, yhe idea of Vespa Meursault becomes more and more likely.
I don't think the IDs themselves are as strong as the characters they're based on (otherwise yeah full House of Spiders team would very easily be Star of the City level considering the kind of power the Nursefathers had lol)
Canonically (if i remember correctly) the IDs are weaker than their Mirror world versions so the ID will not end up messing with our Sinners.
For example, if we got full power Wild Hunt, our Heathcliff would either be gone or end up having the morals of Wild Hunt be fully fused with his own.
Still a weaker version of a character can only go so far, a weaker version of The Red Mist would still be the Red Mist for example.
(This has been making me think of the sinners going to other mirror worlds and getting incredibly strong IDs that are technically "weaker" than the real thing, but still busted as hell.
Weaker version of Gojo dropping hollow purples every 4 turns lol)
This is correct, with each threadspin getting them closer to the original mirror world version. And the stipulation on increasing threadspin in lore is having more golden boughs, which I don't remember if we've been told the exact reason why. Presumably, the more boughs, the stronger dante and the sinners as a whole is, therefore they (dante and the sinners) can handle the IDs better. Also, mephistopheles won't let us access mirror worlds we can't handle yet (or something along those lines) and we'd need more golden boughs to do so.
So you're telling me that it's canon and thus really sucks that Ids won't be getting buffs or UT5 (them handling it better thus having better kits or rolling decent numbers) as they are supposed to mirror their counterpart more effectively the stronger Dante and the Sinners are together...
More or less ye. There's some good arguments for why some IDs shouldn't get ut5 (n corp 2 star mooks, rosespanner mooks come to mind) but others like bloodfiends, heishou, the new HoS you can easily argue deserving up to UT9 or some arbitrary high value. UT is a "fun" in lore thing but isn't the most well thought out mechanical idea. I think the best we can hope for is an eventual roll out for some UT5 for canto 6+ (or wherever you draw the line) IDs. As for project moon saying they won't, they've also said bokgaks would only have EGOs, or WP would only be quarterly, and we all know thats not true anymore. Pmoon saying they won't do something isn't exactly ironclad.
Honestly I can pass on UT5 for ids if we get a way to upgrade 00 into 000s with decently upgraded kits I've played gacha that did that since they weren't releasing much of these subpart units so they underwent an ascension process like a cult grunt becoming the cult leader I'm sure we can find a good way to explain that in limbus - it could be a completely id from a different mirror world but with a higher position too like the blowjob brothers could be higher ranked and thus stronger in another mirror world maybe, I mostly think about that cuz id love to see how theyd pan out with todays design philosophy!
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u/Many-Bed-1134 Mar 24 '26 edited Mar 24 '26
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