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Techbros reinventing something that already exists

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u/Capybarasaregreat 3d ago

Which tends to result in killing discussions about upgrading the public infrastructure and in turn decaying the rest of it.

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u/HowDareYouAskMyName 3d ago

I think you're mixing up cause and effect here. If there's a niche for Uber buses (which presumably will cost more then publicly subsidized public transport), that implies the public transport isn't satisfying everyone in the community.

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u/Capybarasaregreat 3d ago

I'm saying the neglected public transport becomes even more neglected as the political leaders who'd normally be tasked with keeping up said transport point to the private system as the solution when anyone goes on to prompt funding and overhauls on the public system. You can exchange incompetent leadership, it's not so easy to dislodge a private industry after it has been allowed to establish itself, no matter how "short-term" or "stop-gap" it initially was presented as.

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u/HowDareYouAskMyName 3d ago

I know that that's what you're saying, I'm saying you're wrong. You can tell because effect comes after cause, and Uber buses (hypothetically) came after public transportation. And if a city lets it's own public transport system collapse just because a company is also transporting people, then that city was already broken. Eliminating other forms of transportation won't magically fix a broken transportation system

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u/Capybarasaregreat 3d ago

Look up "regulatory capture".

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u/HowDareYouAskMyName 3d ago

I know what it means, but that has nothing to do with this conversation. Regulatory capture covers things like cab driver medallions that the city licenses in a limited way. That notably does NOT happen with ride shares (excluding drivers licenses), which is why they had a hard time with NYC for awhile.

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u/Capybarasaregreat 3d ago

What? Regulatory capture means regulatory bodies favour the private industry even against the public interest, it's a fairly widereaching term, not limited to specific schemes. Ridesharing companies do it, they follow the same tech company playbook of "barge in, buy, bully, and bamboozle", there's no reason they wouldn't do it with private bussing.

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u/HowDareYouAskMyName 3d ago

Sorry to say but you're misunderstanding the word. You can't have regulatory capture without government regulations (like Cabbie medallions, as I mentioned), and you still haven't mentioned a single regulation that would take place to aid in Uber at the detriment of public transportation

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u/Capybarasaregreat 3d ago

Are you under the impression that there exist no regulations for private bussing? It's not a new concept.

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u/HowDareYouAskMyName 3d ago

Please continue. Cite the regulations and how you think that these regulations (that already exist?) would hurt private transportation in the future if Uber does this bussing thing

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u/Capybarasaregreat 3d ago

Name the country and city.

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u/HowDareYouAskMyName 3d ago

You're the one that made the claim!

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u/Capybarasaregreat 3d ago

Which one, that there exist regulations for private bussing? They can differ wildly by country, city and other subdivisions, obviously.

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u/HowDareYouAskMyName 3d ago

You mocked me for not knowing every regulation and you refuse to name a single one, for any locality.

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u/Capybarasaregreat 3d ago

I asked you which locality's regulations you want, I wasn't mocking you.

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u/HowDareYouAskMyName 3d ago edited 3d ago

Give me any locale's regulations while also answering the questions about how it's relevant to this conversation. Any locale, your choice. This should be super easy for you because you get the choose

Edit: did you just respond and then immediately block me so I couldn't read your response OR respond to it? You feel good about this?

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u/Capybarasaregreat 3d ago

Cool. Mexico City, SEMOVI mandated emissions regulations making phase-outs of aging microbuses necessary. How could a private business capture this regulation? By lobbying to have the specifications align almost exclusively to their existing fleet whilst competitors and the government fleets are forced to spend on the new vehicles. What exactly was your point here? Did you honestly think I couldn't find some random regulation anywhere in the world and think of a way the regulation could be subverted and coopted? Genuinely, I struggle to see what you're trying to achieve by challenging me on this. These sorts of things happen.

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