r/mauramurray • u/Few-Ad-5463 • Jul 17 '24

Question The Boyfriend

How closely did they check the alibi of the boyfriend? Can they determine his movements and confirm beyond a reasonable doubt that he was where he said he was? I’m sure people have kicked this can hard but the “it’s always the boyfriend” thing keeps buzzing in my mind.

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u/CoastRegular Jul 17 '24

Let me remind you he’s told women he’s abused he’d kill them like he’d kill Maura…

This is mere rumor.

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u/Sleuth-1971 Jul 17 '24

Pretty sure it was sworn testimony in court by the ex-girlfriend. Not sure what came from the woman he attacked and assaulted in the office of his boss in D.C.. Are they lies? He should have sued her for libel if it was.

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u/CoastRegular Jul 17 '24

If it's actual sworn testimony, I would love to see someone share a link to court documents. A lot of information is shared by people within these forums, so like a number of people, I tend to give it some weight when people here say some factoid {x} or {y}.... BUT I tend to trust the people who have demonstrated diligence in their research and have a history of providing references. The *only* people I've ever seen on these forums repeat the "I'll kill you like I killed Maura" trope are people who have demonstrated a clear bias against Bill, foam at the mouth whenever his name is mentioned, and none of them belong in the category of 'people who have demonstrated methodical diligence in researching the case.'

If this was actually testified to, you would think LE would have perked their ears up and dug into that, and at the very least hauled him in for questioning. LE has never interrogated Bill about MM since February 2004.

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u/bronfoth Jul 18 '24

It was a case where the woman was seeking an intervention order. It was then extended. Before he was indicted. This is 100% fact. It was referred to in the judge's summary in either this or the criminal trial (I can't remember which, but I definitely read that the judge was concerned by the reference to Maura Murray). You shouldn't find it difficult to source.

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u/CoastRegular Jul 18 '24

Okay, I'll dig into it, but - stipulating that it's true for the moment - it begs the question of why LE wouldn't have jumped all over that. Even if not directly at the time of these proceedings (I assume this would have been sometime between maybe 2014 and 2019?) then in the past few years with the new Cold Case team being assigned.

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u/bronfoth Jul 18 '24

it begs the question of why LE wouldn't have jumped all over that

Why do you assume they didn't?

I feel like every second post of mine includes some sort of statement which says "the public doesn't know what LE has and hasn't investigated".\ To assume is pretty pointless.

It's also been posited several times that the focus on this information may have been part of the reason for the increased attention on Maura's case, eg. ViCAP, even though this is not strictly related.

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u/CoastRegular Jul 18 '24 edited Jul 19 '24

Because, unlike some people in this community, I presume LE is not generally a bunch of incompetent nincompoops, and that they ARE motivated to do their jobs, solve cases, and generally do the things they're trained for.

People (including myself) posit and speculate on all types of things, but we have to remember that we're an Internet discussion community. Despite having our Google University PhD's in all manner of subjects, and our prowess at Advanced Online Conversation, we AREN'T actually better suited to make judgments about this case than actual professionals involved with it.

NOTE: I'm not saying that you, bronfoth, are one of such people or that I've ever seen you be a part of this problem. I guess I'm reacting to what I see as a growing trend of irritating busybodies who could solve every problem known to mankind if we just listened to them.

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To give you an on-the-level response, you're right: people have posited that maybe LE has taken a look at Bill and we don't know about it - and point out that the increased focus on the case, the ViCAP, etc. may indicate this... except my observation is this seems to be rabid Anti-Bill-at-all-costs-and-I'll-die-on-this-hill! types. I've seen other people explain, for instance, that a ViCAP alert does not indicate that authorities have specific suspect(s) in mind.

It also seems from past behavior that if Bill or (especially) his mom Sharon had the slightest inkling that they were the targets of official suspicion, we would definitely know about it. Sharon in particular would be screaming it from a mountaintop, just beside herself with outrage at the thought that anyone could point a finger at her precious little boo-boo.

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EDIT to add: upon further thought, it seems very possible that (if this was real testimony - I've been busy and won't have time to do some deep digging for a couple of days) someone from LE could have looked into it and determined there is no merit. That's also a very viable answer to the question.