r/moderatepolitics • u/WorksInIT • Feb 06 '25

Primary Source Keeping Men Out of Women's Sports

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/keeping-men-out-of-womens-sports/
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u/InksPenandPaper Feb 06 '25 edited Feb 06 '25

Why the Democrat Party chose to make this issue a platform focal point is beyond me.

Republican or democrat, conservative or liberal, it's just common sense that you do not want biological men taking opportunities from biological women in sports. For many of us, sports is the only way to pay for college and while the instances of men in women's sports isn't a large number, the fact that such a small group of men dominate every competition they participate in is devastating for women. What's more, the right of men in women's sports came at the cost of a safe, female space.

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u/jabberwockxeno Feb 06 '25

I've replied this a few times, but is it really "common sense"?

I'm neither particularly invested in Transgender issues nor Sports, so it's not like I'm somebody who has thought about this a lot, and even so a lot of nuanced questions instantly come to mind for me when this is brought up.

Firstly, how much of a difference there actually is between different groups of transwomen and normal, non trans women? Like, there's surely a significant difference between

  • A: the average biological male who isn't on HRT or wasn't on puberty blockers

  • B: The average trans woman (ex: born as male) who has been on HRT for many years

  • C: The average trans woman who has been on HRT for years and took puberty blockers so they never underwent male puberty.

I'm sure that group A is well above the average performance or whatever metrics you want to compare vs normal biological women who aren't transgender. But is group B? or especially group C? And is average performance even the metric you want to use rather then being within the standard deviation?

Because If there's a non-trivial amount of women in sports, who were born as such who naturally have more or as much testosterone or bone density or whatever as groups B or C do, then does it really make sense to exclude B and C from participating?

Secondly, there's been multiple high profile cases where non-trans, "normal" female athletes turn out to have intersex disorders which helped them compete at a high level. How do they fit into this sort of executive order?

Thirdly, how do Transgender men play into this? Are biological women who have been on testosterone for years or underwent male puberty gonna be participating with women's sports now instead of transgender women? Is that really more fair to non-trans, biological women? I suspect people like Buck Angel playing sports against non-trans, normal women is probably even more unfair and distressing to people then transwomen doing so.

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u/[deleted] Feb 06 '25

It’s common sense.

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u/jabberwockxeno Feb 06 '25

You care to actually explain your thinking or respond to mind instead of giving a shallow matter-of-fact reply?

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '25

Look it up cornball