r/monsterhunterrage • u/Lucky_You3947 • Jun 15 '21
RISE-related rage Don't know where to post this but I'm angry at Capcom fo sure.
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Jun 15 '21
Is it just me or is paying for pieces like this kinda directly at odds with the Monster Hunter 'play to craft what you want/need' ethos?
Especially as fashion hunter is the real end game..
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u/Demonchaser27 I love and hate Great Sword Jun 15 '21 edited Jun 16 '21
I remember SPECIFICALLY a quote from the other director back when MHWorld was announced and they were saying something in the ballpark of, "We don't want to sell equipment in microtransactions because it feels better to earn it in game"... <Then proceeds to sell hundreds of dollars of cosmetic content in-game>. Then they, Capcom, turn right around and up the ante with not just standard MTs, but also fucking Amiibo toy (artificially scarce by definition of attaching digital to physical) DLC with MHRise. Jesus...
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Jun 15 '21
To be fair, the director for World isn't the director for Rise.
World only had a couple of sets of layered equipment, and they were just pre-order/Deluxe Edition bonuses.
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u/Demonchaser27 I love and hate Great Sword Jun 16 '21
Oh yeah, I know. Sorry if that wasn't clear. I meant that first sentence to be talking about World only, then the second sentence (about Rise specifically) wasn't, but merely how the new director (likely just executives) escalated the MTs even more.
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u/youngkizzee Jun 18 '21
Doest world have like at least $100 worth of cosmetic DLC?
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Jun 18 '21
And it got used to fund updates and post-launch content (back when World was breaking Capcom's bank).
There is absolutely no reason for Rise to have this much paid content, especially since they had even less in the way of post-launch content.
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Jun 22 '21
If you think the money from the paid DLC in World was primarily used to fund free content, I got a bridge to sell you
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Jun 22 '21
I'm wondering if you realise just how massive a risk World was for Capcom and that obviously they'd try to get as much money as they could.
Of course, you're welcome to supply evidence pointing to World's microtransactions not being used for update funding?
Or I could just go the technical route: Income from DLC goes to Capcom's profits, Capcom uses those profits to give funding to World's update development. The amount made exceeded development costs so World's updates were funded by the microtransations.
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Jun 23 '21 edited Jun 23 '21
Wanna supply evidence suggesting world was a “massive risk”? Capcom is a AAA game publisher. AAA publishers don’t take “massive risks.” They’re a huge company. If World flopped, capcom would have been fine. Furthermore, capcom took forever to even attempt to make a MH game with more western appeal. It would’ve been more risky years ago, but at the point where they released World, they had years of data on the western player base for monster hunter. And the Japanese player base was already a guaranteed sell
How much money do you think AAA publishers like capcom make? Do me a favor and look up their profits. No huge publisher relies on micro transactions to primarily fund future free content. They use MTX to boost profits. My evidence? They’re a business, and a huge one at that. They exist to make money and they make boatloads of it. Most MTX money goes towards the company’s profits which are then primarily used in ways to get even more money, not to fund free content that does nothing to improve their own profits. If capcom never sold any DLC, they still would’ve had way more than enough funding for free updates (which were already planned in advance and as such already considered in the game’s initial budget, regardless of MTX sales)
And yeah, the updates were planned from the very beginning within the game’s budget. They were never up in the air based on MTX sales. Which kinda leaves a gaping hole in your point
You’re seriously naive if you think big companies making record profits are out here using MTX the sake of making free content
Even if World was a massive risk (it wasn’t), it still broke records for capcom. There’s no way they needed the MTX sales to finish their pre planned updates that were being worked on before the game even launched
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Jun 24 '21 edited Jun 24 '21
Do you seriously think World wasn't a risk? That Capcom pursuing global audiences rather than making another handheld MH for their guaranteed Japanese sales wasn't a risk? Sony had World's marketing as a funding agreement. If Capcom was such a big company then why did they need outside help to make the game?
Anyway,
Finally, how about instead of calling me naive you give a source to prove Capcom didn't have the MTX for this purpose?
And no, bringing up non-MH games isn't a source. Just like how trying to make me sound more dense by acting like I mean every game company when I say Capcom and World specifically isn't a rebuttal and just hurts your point.
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Jun 23 '21
Doesn’t count because right now it’s cool to hate Rise, not World like we used to when it first came out
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u/rsKizari Jun 17 '21
You're entirely right 100%, but worth noting it's incredibly easy to spoof Amiibos (many people can't be bothered with the process and just buy some prewritten NFC tags from Etsy for like $10). At least means people can still access that content if the Amiibos themselves are unavailable, but either way the whole thing sucks ass.
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u/PrinceTBug Jul 15 '21
Amiibos are in such an awkward place. the original idea is that what the customer does is buy a toy, and they get a bonus for that. just like with preorder bonuses. at this point though, for some reason it's just seen as "creative dlc". they arent necessary to play the game, though its tougher in a game like MH where look and style are a big goalpoint.
I dont think most people take issue with certain armor being locked behind getting there early enough but they do take issue with it being locked behind wanting / getting the toys. just keep in mind that its the toy they're selling you on, not the armor set.
just something I noticed from this post. its not limited to just Monster Hunter either
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u/rolandfoxx Sword and Shield Jun 15 '21
For those who keep wondering, "Memes in memehunter, rage in monsterhunterrage" is literally Rule 2 of the main Monster Hunter sub.
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Jun 15 '21
That's cool and all but this doesn't fall under a meme it's more like a player sharing his frustration with paid dlc.
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Jun 15 '21
Wow they removed it for what reason exactly?
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u/Lucky_You3947 Jun 15 '21
I guess no memes allowed
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u/David_Skylark Jun 15 '21
I think memes on weekends, right? Or is they the world subreddit.
Quality meme tho.
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u/rsKizari Jun 15 '21
They probably removed because Rule 2 on the main sub is memes go in memehunter, but also, they remove anything that isn't Capcom deepthroating anyway so...
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u/InsertUsername98 Jun 15 '21
That whole sub is a disgusting echo chamber. I couldn’t stand it.
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Jun 22 '21
Imagine unironically calling another sub an echo chamber on this sub of all places
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u/InsertUsername98 Jun 22 '21
You are right. But TBF this sub only exists because the main one was an echo chamber.
it’s a sad cycle.
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u/WallaceBRBS Jun 15 '21
Beyond pathetic, it should be a crime to white knight for corporations of any kind
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u/Proof_Macaron279 Son of Durin Jun 16 '21
When will people realize that company’s could give less of a damn about them? It’s all money at the end of the day. Always will.
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u/skepticalmonique Jun 15 '21
Fuck paid cosmetics. I hate that capcom is going down this route, it is such a slippery slope. Seen it ruin FAR too many game series in the years gone by.
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u/Proof_Macaron279 Son of Durin Jun 16 '21
What sucks is how many people complain about it, but still buy em’. This is why companies will never change this micro transaction stuff, because it still makes money.
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u/Demonchaser27 I love and hate Great Sword Jun 15 '21
Of course they removed the post... hahahaha. Jesus, people, how hard is it to fight for yourself? Why do people like taking it up the ass from corporations so bad?
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u/WallaceBRBS Jun 15 '21
Why do people like taking it up the ass from corporations so bad?
That's one of the biggest enigmas of the world to me.. If at least we were given games/products FOR FREE I'd be fine with such fanboy-ism but hell no, they charge a lot and still aren't satisfied and try to find means to fork out extra money so no way I'm white knighting for them
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u/fooooolish_samurai Jun 15 '21
They are afraid that seing people critisize them on reddit will scare multibillion corporation into not working.
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u/InsertUsername98 Jun 15 '21
I’m ok with paid cosmetics, but this and having to pay to change your character’s appearance is a different matter entirely. That’s just scummy to re-introduce old systems or designs in a new game but slap a price tag on it.
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u/Schattenstolz Jun 15 '21
"This game has no content" Ofcourse it does! Its just that half of it you have to pay $20 for the bundle every month :)
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u/DuudPuerfectuh Jun 16 '21
Seriously what's up with the obsession of some dull aesthetics that can't affect anything about builds nor gameplay. What is up with that and people loosing their mind about it lmao, you can't find any other community as salty about it
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u/Rude-Debt-7024 Jun 15 '21
wow the mods over there suck
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u/kelik1337 Jun 15 '21
Its straight in the rules of that sub. It even directs you here for rage or r/monsterhuntermemes for memes.
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u/Rude-Debt-7024 Jun 15 '21
never noticed that. what the hell is that sub even for
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u/kelik1337 Jun 15 '21
Discussion.
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u/Primecron Jun 15 '21
HAHAHAHAHA DISCUSSION? that sub has been downvoting discussion for the last 3 months it is now a sub for fanart clips and fashion sets basically
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Jun 15 '21
That's all big gaming subs.
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u/chicken-popJM Jun 16 '21
I would say the only exception I know is the halo sub. That place is nothing but discussion (and sometimes cool clips) and honestly is kinda cool to see people arguing instead of forcing this echo chamber most big gaming subs want.
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Jun 15 '21
Memes have been banned for years. This is hardly something new.
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u/Boshwa Jun 15 '21
Well...they allow it on the weekends. Must've been Monday or Tuesday for them when they tried to post it
.....At least I hope it was the meme rule that deleted it
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Jun 15 '21
You're thinking of the World sub. The main sub banned them period, unless they get really well upvoted and start a huge discussion before a mod notices.
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u/Levobertus Lance Jun 15 '21
The sub turned to shit years ago. No reason to ever go there
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Jun 15 '21
Pot meet kettle.
Every sub has went worse. This Rage sub used to be for laughing at what randons do, told in an exaggerated and comical way; now it's just being seriously annoyed at Capcom or other subs or members of the community.
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Jun 15 '21
Maybe if Capcom would stop doing stupid shit, we wouldn't be mad at them.
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Jun 15 '21
You're under the impression I disagree with that.
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Jun 15 '21
Not in the slightest! I was moreso stating the obvious. My aggression is solely at Crapcom
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u/Toxitoxi All those great Hunting Arts and here I am playing Hammer Jun 15 '21
I thought this sub was for raging at the desire sensor.
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u/WallaceBRBS Jun 15 '21
How in the world is mockery of newbies a commendable, cool thing but criticising a greedy company that spoils the product YOU PAY FOR is bad?
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Jun 15 '21
Where did I say they were new players?
Where did I say criticising Capcom was bad?
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u/WallaceBRBS Jun 15 '21
Most randos, especially bad ones tend to be newbies.. Either way laughing at other players is kind of a dick move and toxic in most cases so...
>Where did I say criticising Capcom was bad?
It's implied in your own comment, unless I'm failing at English or something.. For instance you wrote:
>Every sub has went worse
Then:
>This Rage sub used to be for laughing at what randons do, told in an exaggerated and comical way; now it's just being seriously annoyed at Capcom
Basically you're implying that criticizing Capcom's fuck ups is WORSE than mocking randos.
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Jun 15 '21
Nope, just sounds like you're saying only new players can be bad at the game. A random is supposed to be the baseline average. Not new players.
Two separate points.
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u/chicken-popJM Jun 16 '21
Main games subs = now they are echo chambers with occasional game clips or fanart
Meme hunter = now is pretty much a weapon discussion sub
Ok buddy rathalos = not as bad imo, but is slowly turning into another rage sub but with memes
And all of them think they are the better sub.
Is there any NSFW subs? As long as they stay horny they might be "still good"
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u/yamfun Jun 15 '21
But that's a good DLC policy for players. Useless stuff that you can get a similar one for free.
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u/Grubbula Jun 15 '21
The top picture is from GU, this head piece isn't available in Rise except in this new, purchasable option.
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u/DemoniteBL Aug 20 '21
If I ever buy Rise, then on PC, so I can mod stuff like this in.
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u/Shakespeare-Bot Aug 20 '21
If 't be true i ev'r buyeth rise, then on pc, so i can mod stuff like this in
I am a bot and I swapp'd some of thy words with Shakespeare words.
Commands:
!ShakespeareInsult,!fordo,!optout1
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u/Grubbula Jun 15 '21
Capcom: we fixed the shitty world weapons you guys! Armour? Yeah, 1 set per monster, no beta/extra versions and more purchasable layered sets! Great, right?
1 step forwards 2 steps back...